The EU: In, out, shake it all about.... (8 Viewers)

As of right now, how are thinking of voting? In or out

  • Remain

    Votes: 23 37.1%
  • Leave

    Votes: 35 56.5%
  • Undecided

    Votes: 3 4.8%
  • Not registered or not intention to vote

    Votes: 1 1.6%

  • Total voters
    62
  • Poll closed .

Astute

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Considering they talking about offering associate citizenship for UK residents in the UK, it's unlikely they are going to be bastards about it.
But are being bastards about everything else.
 

Grendel

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?

I suppose the EU is to blame for the Irish border as well?

Basically you just want the uk to drop its trousers when junker comes knocking.

You'll be ok in Italy with their fine tradition of standing up against countries that oppose them
 

Sick Boy

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Basically you just want the uk to drop its trousers when junker comes knocking.

You'll be ok in Italy with their fine tradition of standing up against countries that oppose them

I see you've fallen into your usual trap of dated stereotyping.

I've already said that both sides should offer residents of the day of withdrawal citizenship. It's hardly the UK dropping it's trousers.
 

Grendel

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SkyblueBazza

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Quite frankly Brexit could be a good move for the EU. Things will now start rolling. The budget will be scrutinised for savings and reforms will be pushed forward. Not all bad news.
Except those that enjoyed the fruits will be less fruitful...& become disenchanted. And if Britain begins to flourish they may want out of the EU too!

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martcov

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I have been told that we should know who our local MEP is. It is the EU that is refusing to do a deal which guarantees the rights of EU citizens living elsewhere to where they come from. So what could be better than starting with your MEP?

It is the UK that want to deny some of the rights of EU citizens. Or as May she would have to look at certain aspects. The EU want all rights recognised.
 

SIR ERNIE

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The EU want all rights recognised.

Actually the truth is that they are refusing to discuss the subject unless we pay them huge wads of cash.
Which sounds a lot like they're using them as bargaining chips to me.

On the other hand the PM asked last year that they be specifically excluded from negotiations and their status safeguarded but was rebuffed.
 

Sick Boy

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Actually the truth is that they are refusing to discuss the subject unless we pay them huge wads of cash.
Which sounds a lot like they're using them as bargaining chips to me.

On the other hand the PM asked last year that they be specifically excluded from negotiations and their status safeguarded but was rebuffed.

Actually the elected European parliament has passed a resolution asking for the UK to submit proposals to guarantee the rights and status or all of the 4.5 million.

May offered "safety" and "reassurance", not full citizenship. However I do believe that both sides should resolve to settle this ASAP.
 

Astute

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It is the UK that want to deny some of the rights of EU citizens. Or as May she would have to look at certain aspects. The EU want all rights recognised.
The EU won't come to any agreement on anything until they find out how much they can get out of us for leaving.

It is May that has said she will come to an agreement with each country if she can if the EU won't come to any agreement.
 

Sick Boy

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The EU won't come to any agreement on anything until they find out how much they can get out of us for leaving.

It is May that has said she will come to an agreement with each country if she can if the EU won't come to any agreement.

Then it goes to show just how utterly clueless she is. Frightening stuff.
 

Astute

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The EU wants a sea border with the UK which would mean NI remains in the Customs Union. The UK doesn’t want that.
So what makes you say that?

The English channel is between us and the rest of Europe. You can't change that. The rest of it depends on if a deal can be made and what it consists of concerning trade. The less of a deal the more of a border.

If you know that the EU wants a solid border you also know that they don't want any kind of deal.
 

Astute

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Actually the elected European parliament has passed a resolution asking for the UK to submit proposals to guarantee the rights and status or all of the 4.5 million.

May offered "safety" and "reassurance", not full citizenship. However I do believe that both sides should resolve to settle this ASAP.
Proposals they refuse to talk about. Yet you are trying to pass the blame onto the UK.
 

Astute

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Then it goes to show just how utterly clueless she is. Frightening stuff.
So would you prefer her to be like the EU and refuse to have talks so residents can't make long term plans?

Are you happy that the EU are refusing to have talks so you don't know if your partner can stay here or you can move to Verona as you plan?
 

martcov

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So what makes you say that?

The English channel is between us and the rest of Europe. You can't change that. The rest of it depends on if a deal can be made and what it consists of concerning trade. The less of a deal the more of a border.

If you know that the EU wants a solid border you also know that they don't want any kind of deal.

Northern Ireland is a land border and there is no sea between them and the EU. The EU wants a sea border. That means no customs border with ROI. Can only be achieved if NI remains in the Customs Union.
 

Astute

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Northern Ireland is a land border and there is no sea between them and the EU. The EU wants a sea border. That means no customs border with ROI. Can only be achieved if NI remains in the Customs Union.
The EU can fuck off if they want to cause any difficulties in Ireland. Customs union or not.
 

Astute

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May has been vague on the subject and you blame the EU who have been open.
Your bias is becoming a joke.

The EU has been open because they admit that they won't start talks until it is agreed how much we will pay them to leave. Yet May is vague because she has tried to say what will happen depending on what the EU does next?
 

martcov

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Actually the truth is that they are refusing to discuss the subject unless we pay them huge wads of cash.
Which sounds a lot like they're using them as bargaining chips to me.

On the other hand the PM asked last year that they be specifically excluded from negotiations and their status safeguarded but was rebuffed.

It’s dead easy really. The EU wants the immediate problems solved. The things that worry their constituents. This includes the UK confirming that it will honor it’s commitments before it leaves and saying what will happen to EU citizens and putting
up a workable proposal for the border. Being vague and blaming the EU is merely deflecting. It is also because the cabinet is divided on how we do that.
 

martcov

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Your bias is becoming a joke.

The EU has been open because they admit that they won't start talks until it is agreed how much we will pay them to leave. Yet May is vague because she has tried to say what will happen depending on what the EU does next?

Says the man whose middle names include Bias and I Hate Juncker.
 

Astute

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It’s dead easy really. The EU wants the immediate problems solved. The things that worry their constituents. This includes the UK confirming that it will honor it’s commitments before it leaves and saying what will happen to EU citizens and putting
up a workable proposal for the border. Being vague and blaming the EU is merely deflecting. It is also because the cabinet is divided on how we do that.
Yet again it is the EU that is refusing to talk about anything but money. So they say that there are no advances in talks. Of course there are not. Just like what they want.
 

Astute

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Says the man whose middle names include Bias and I Hate Juncker.
I do not try and blame one side all the time. I have a go at all sides. I say that there is good and bad about both staying in and leaving.

You?
 

Sick Boy

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So would you prefer her to be like the EU and refuse to have talks so residents can't make long term plans?

Are you happy that the EU are refusing to have talks so you don't know if your partner can stay here or you can move to Verona as you plan?

They have said they want to. I will be able to move over there as I have an Irish passport.
 

martcov

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The problems in Ireland have all been created by Britain, nothing to do with the EU.

The EU was a great help to Ireland. Without the EU there would never have been the Celtic Tiger. Without us all being in the Eu protected by EU citizens rights and courts we would probably never had the GFA. The GFA has been put at risk by Brexit. People like the postal worker in Chatham that Bazza quoted as chomping at the bit to leave the EU has never given a millisecond thought to what Brexit actually entails, let alone the problems it creates for other people.

For British people to accuse the EU of causing problems with the Irish border is the biggest joke, if you can joke about Brexit, that I have heard up until now. I think Astute should start reading up on Irish history starting with the first Lord Lieutenant and his friends. He might see that the EU and even Juncker have nothing to do with the basic problems of a border in Ireland.
 

Astute

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The problems in Ireland have all been created by Britain, nothing to do with the EU.
The EU wanting to create a border is the fault of the UK?

All the problems of the past were because of the British government. But not if there is a forced border of any kind this time that the EU brings in.
 

Astute

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The EU was a great help to Ireland. Without the EU there would never have been the Celtic Tiger. Without us all being in the Eu protected by EU citizens rights and courts we would probably never had the GFA. The GFA has been put at risk by Brexit. People like the postal worker in Chatham that Bazza quoted as chomping at the bit to leave the EU has never given a millisecond thought to what Brexit actually entails, let alone the problems it creates for other people.

For British people to accuse the EU of causing problems with the Irish border is the biggest joke, if you can joke about Brexit, that I have heard up until now. I think Astute should start reading up on Irish history starting with the first Lord Lieutenant and his friends. He might see that the EU and even Juncker have nothing to do with the basic problems of a border in Ireland.
I come from Irish descendants. I know what has gone on over the years. It isn't me who needs a history lesson.

So if the EU brings in a border of any kind it is nothing to do with the EU?
 

martcov

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I do not try and blame one side all the time. I have a go at all sides. I say that there is good and bad about both staying in and leaving.

You?

Oh really...? I have said often enough that the EU needs reform and that I am pleased that people like Macron are putting ideas on the table. Even if I don’t agree with everything. A major reform is necessary and this made be the upside of Brexit that things start moving forward. I think Brexit was unnecessary and brought about by certain people appealing to the worst in some people, whilst building a united Europe after the war was appealing to the best in people. We have had no internal wars during the building of the EU. Long may that continue. Before you go on about NATO, NATO Expansion could be the most likely cause of a European conflict in the future. A European defence force which could take over protecting the EU may actually be a better long term solution to relations with Russia as opposed to a force dominated by an increasingly unreliable and warlike USA. It should at least be discussed.
 

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