Wasps going into admin & the impact on CCFC (10 Viewers)

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Grendel

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He didn’t get all the 200 million mate. I know that for a fact. He didn’t get anywhere near that figure, loads of parties involved in his business.

I know he didnt get all of it but he clearly has a fair element and was in a consortium of buyers to purchase the club at one point
 

Colin Steins Smile

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Looking at the events happening next week there' s no signs of any concern or arrangements being made to move or postpone. There's exhibitors posting on social media that they're ready for events there at the start of next week.

Obviously there's lots of unknowns but I don't think assuming the worst case scenario based potentially based on nothing but a couple of posts on the Wasps forum, which isn't exactly known for reliable information, is really helping.

Forget about the football club, will the council really want a load of events cancelled, that's not likely to attract a buyer when they try and shift the lease again.
I think that any administrator would want to continue to realise income streams for the arena. This would give them more time to seek a buyer at the best price possible.
They might slim down the staffing to maximise revenues, so staff in management positions would be reduced as they'll be the most expensive.
 

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Looking at the events happening next week there' s no signs of any concern or arrangements being made to move or postpone. There's exhibitors posting on social media that they're ready for events there at the start of next week.

Obviously there's lots of unknowns but I don't think assuming the worst case scenario based potentially based on nothing but a couple of posts on the Wasps forum, which isn't exactly known for reliable information, is really helping.

Forget about the football club, will the council really want a load of events cancelled, that's not likely to attract a buyer when they try and shift the lease again.

I’d guess it’s no different from wasps selling tickets up until the last minute.

End suppliers are always the last to find out. I would bet most companies that have booked exhibitions have been checking they have insurance that covers issues like this.
 

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He didn’t get all the 200 million mate. I know that for a fact. He didn’t get anywhere near that figure, loads of parties involved in his business.

Exactly. Even if he's worth a few million (which is an outrageous amount of money), he's not going to throw over £100,000 on a pitch that will need replacing.

The changing rooms at Ryton were an investment long term and were nowhere near that figure.
 

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He didn’t get all the 200 million mate. I know that for a fact. He didn’t get anywhere near that figure, loads of parties involved in his business.

Why do you keep pretending to be itk when you said this right before we announced the game is on?

 

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I think that any administrator would want to continue to realise income streams for the arena. This would give them more time to seek a buyer at the best price possible.
They might slim down the staffing to maximise revenues, so staff in management positions would be reduced as they'll be the most expensive.

Yes basically boils down to can the arena be run at cashflow-positive...if not then the massive red flag this week from Wasps asking bond holders for more money to keep it going. An administrator with no money has two options. 1. Sell anything it can to get cash to continue operations (unclear if there is anything to sell?) and 2. Move to liquidation.
 

Grendel

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Exactly. Even if he's worth a few million (which is an outrageous amount of money), he's not going to throw over £100,000 on a pitch that will need replacing.

The changing rooms at Ryton were an investment long term and were nowhere near that figure.

Well he said in this interview he wants to put money in and not expect a return and I assume here is talking a bit more than a pitch relay

 

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If you’ve ever dealt with an Administrator you’ll know that the only revenue stream they are interested in is the one that gets the most for them and their connected pals.

No f—s will be given about Bondholders, CCFC, SISU, CCC or anyone else.

It’s a racket and needs to be properly regulated.
 
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GIMOC

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Why do you keep pretending to be itk when you said this right before we announced the game is on?


pretending lol. I have many contacts. I knew the team news for Tuesday game at 3pm and posted on here. i was informed Wednesday that Saturday game was in doubt due to staffing issues. Thankfully nothing materialised but no-one has certainties Tuesday will go ahead.
 

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pretending lol. I have many contacts. I knew the team news for Tuesday game at 3pm and posted on here. i was informed Wednesday that Saturday game was in doubt due to staffing issues. Thankfully nothing materialised but no-one has certainties Tuesday will go ahead.

You’re as in the know as @Saddlebrains mate😂😂😂
 
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MalcSB

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For clarity, the administrators of Wasps Holdings and potential administrators of ACL and ACL 2006 have told the bondholders that, if funding for marketing isn’t forthcoming from bondholders “in short order”, the ACLs are likely to go straight in to liquidations as the objectives of administration would be unachievable.

it wasn’t a couple of posts on Wasps forum and liquidation is (possibly literally) a game changer. It could just be a threat to hurry potential bidders along as, for Sisu as an example, I would imagine it would be far easier operationally to buy as a pre-pack or out of administration than to pick up from liquidation with all current contracts cancelled.
 

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Its bordering on whats the point territory now isnt it?

We could have said that for most days in the past 20 years.

Lots say about Derby, Birmingham etc. No club, besides Bury, have had anything close to what we've had to deal with. Others have had a difficult few years but found a way out. We've had to deal with this for decades.
 

GIMOC

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Wow incredible inside knowledge there. One of my sources told me Gyokeres might play on Saturday, just what I’ve been told mate

no skin of my nose to relay info on here or not. But that’s what the forum is all about isn’t it?
 

Senior Vick from Alicante

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The lease wasn't gifted. They paid 1m in consideration. That said I am aware that the lease can go back to the council, but I assume that is a "fail-safe" clause. Pretty sure the council would be sued by the bond holders quicker than you could say "state aid".

How could they sue if its within their legal right? They would just be makjng sure there freehold asset was operational wouldnt they?
 

The Philosopher

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For clarity, the administrators of Wasps Holdings and potential administrators of ACL and ACL 2006 have told the bondholders that, if funding for marketing isn’t forthcoming from bondholders “in short order”, the ACLs are likely to go straight in to liquidations as the objectives of administration would be unachievable.

it wasn’t a couple of posts on Wasps forum and liquidation is (possibly literally) a game changer. It could just be a threat to hurry potential bidders along as, for Sisu as an example, I would imagine it would be far easier operationally to buy as a pre-pack or out of administration than to pick up from liquidation with all current contracts cancelled.
Not sure that a liquidation would be so bad. Might cause some operational delays thought.

The administrator might well be connected to the liquidator but in these cases it’s either one or the other that gets the money.

The administrator, as I’ve said, would want to milk this process as long as is possible. Any income (such as CCFC rent) will end up going straight to them and talk of pence in pound going to bondholders is for the sparrows.
 

Brighton Sky Blue

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We could have said that for most days in the past 20 years.

Lots say about Derby, Birmingham etc. No club, besides Bury, have had anything close to what we've had to deal with. Others have had a difficult few years but found a way out. We've had to deal with this for decades.

The difference except in Bury’s case is that a white knight always appears, replaces the baddie and sorts things out. We have been stuck with SISU for 15 years and been exiled twice and gone down to the bottom tier. Yet they’re still here.
 

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Sensible approach from the club in the circumstances. If something does happen and they hadn't looked into other options I'm sure there wouldn't be plenty of people on here ready to lay into them for not being prepared.

Of course we all know the owners won't fund all this extra expenditure so yet again we will see the budget Robins has to work with affected unless someone like Overson steps in but doubt he's going to keep throwing money at this.

Needs Lucas and her cronies on the radio being questioned. Sure we all remember the 'this deal wouldn't have happened if it would negatively affect CCFC' bollocks she was saying at the time.
 

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He didn’t get all the 200 million mate. I know that for a fact. He didn’t get anywhere near that figure, loads of parties involved in his business.
Not to start an argument , but I don’t think what he is or isn’t worth is not something we should be discussing on here.
And as he is not the owner or a director, whatever he is worth is his business.
 
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