Coventry City fans to discuss possibility of supporter-led takeover (1 Viewer)

singers_pore said:

How is it distressing CCFC to pick it up cheaply? Obviously it hurts SISU if they have to sell at a lower price. Take off your SISU blinkers for once.

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You do realise you have just contradicted yourself about the first two sentences of that?

Generally Midfield said:

This is where I start to get confused. If he's the chairman of the protest group why was he on the stage at a trust event. If the trust is separate to the protest why is CJ organising a coach to protest at sisu on the way to AFC Wimbledon?

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There was also a guy from SD on the stage as well as a guy from the PST. Are you confused about them too?

Moff said:

A totally reasonable reply from Dave, and you have to be insulting. If you don't agree with daves post why not state why instead of just calling him a prick.

Out of interest what would you say if you asked Nick a question, like Dave did of you, and he called you a condescending prick? .............You would go mad.

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Does ticket prices being lowered makes SISU our hero's? If they opened the games up for free, gates would still be down, why? It's not so much cheaper seats(It does help) but investment on the team is what's needed. Instead of suing anyone and everyone, put money to a better cause, put it towards buying better players than the dross we've got now, you know what I mean? Buy a good CF at the first opportunity, rather than wait to see what shit we can pick up for nothing on the last day of the transfer window. To cut a long story short, all CD ever does is throw figures at you. Letting the heart rule the head is not always the best route to go, but it's not always the wrong way. CD and Nick, are always the first to jump to the defence of SISU... "Just for balance".... Btw, have you had a word with Grenduffy yet? I'll bet not!

Nick said:

You do realise you have just contradicted yourself about the first two sentences of that?

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Don't worry yourself about that Nick. It's not like our present owners have done it eh!

Sky Blue Kid said:

Does ticket prices being lowered makes SISU our hero's? If they opened the games up for free, gates would still be down, why? It's not so much cheaper seats(It does help) but investment on the team is what's needed. Instead of suing anyone and everyone, put money to a better cause, put it towards buying better players than the dross we've got now, you know what I mean? Buy a good CF at the first opportunity, rather than wait to see what shit we can pick up for nothing on the last day of the transfer window. To cut a long story short, all CD ever does is throw figures at you. Letting the heart rule the head is not always the best route to go, but it's not always the wrong way. CD and Nick, are always the first to jump to the defence of SISU... "Just for balance".... Btw, have you had a word with Grenduffy yet? I'll bet not!

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It was a perfectly valid point and question but instead you just start ranting about other stuff and abusing people. Surprise.

You are getting annoyed about somebody using facts during a debate?

Nick said:

I wasn't the one who said it limits the club, the speaker tonight did.

I can fully understand the break even stuff, would other fans? I have said over and over that break even could be still achieved but gone about it a much better way with a different result.

You said about the product, I said the product would still be the same which is League 1 / League 2 football.

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He also mentioned that moves are afoot to limit overspending by legal and regulatory means in higher divisions and talked about how small victories to move towards this model were important in the interim, but you'd rather not discuss the issues would you Nick and just support a status quo that leaves this club in a deeply unsatisfactory situation.

Captain Dart said:

He also mentioned that moves are afoot to limit overspending by legal and regulatory means in higher divisions and talked about how small victories to move towards this model were important in the interim, but you'd rather not discuss the issues would you Nick and just support a status quo that leaves this club in a deeply unsatisfactory situation.

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I have discussed plenty of other points throughout the thread haven't I?

Do you mean moves like FFP?

What status quo am I supporting?

skybluetony176 said:

There was also a guy from SD on the stage as well as a guy from the PST. Are you confused about them too?

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I can understand why the trust would have people from SD and PST there and it makes good sense. From the bits I saw on periscope they were good and the pompey guy in particular seemed very good indeed . My question is about the trust saying the protest group is separate but if actions speak louder than words it seems like the trust and the protest are bound up together? Answers welcome!

Nick said:

I didn't say he did say "have a boycott" did I? Stop lying.

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You said
'David Johnson going on about a boycott as a scenario as the fans buying the club because they can pick the club up via administration.'
Seems pretty much what you did say, but no you wriggle and wriggle but increasingly more and more people are seeing through you

cloughie said:

You said
'David Johnson going on about a boycott as a scenario as the fans buying the club because they can pick the club up via administration.'
Seems pretty much what you did say, but no you wriggle and wriggle but increasingly more and more people are seeing through you

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So am I wrong that it was mentioned twice in the same day?

What exactly is being seen through me? Would be interesting to know.

Just caught Free Radios news bulletin. It only mentioned boycotting not that fans met to discuss a possible takeover. It basically said "fans were told last night that they will have no choice other then to boycott games if they want to takeover the club at a fans forum meeting last night"

This is pretty much what Nick has been saying. The meeting discussed many things but the soundbite that's been picked up is to boycott (regardless of whether it came from the floor or panel)

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stupot07 said:

Just caught Free Radios news bulletin. It only mentioned boycotting not that fans met to discuss a possible takeover. It basically said "fans were told last night that they will have no choice other then to boycott games if they want to takeover the club at a fans forum meeting last night"

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That's the press for you.

Otis said:

That's the press for you.

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Yep, but most fans werent at the meeting and when I was tuned into Periscope only 74 people were on that. So the majority of fans will get their information/updates through thr media. And that is saying boycott.

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stupot07 said:

Yep, but most fans werent at the meeting and when I was tuned into Periscope only 74 people were on that. So the majority of fans will get their information/updates through thr media. And that is saying boycott.

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You sure they weren't talking cricket?

Otis said:

You sure they weren't talking cricket?

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Nah, we're nowhere near as solid in defence than Geoffrey

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Nick said:

It was a perfectly valid point and question but instead you just start ranting about other stuff and abusing people. Surprise.

You are getting annoyed about somebody using facts during a debate?

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So the "Fact" about my saying the budget has decreased every year since the present owners took charge isn't a valid point then? Football being the entity that it is needs footballers yes?.... Depending on how well the team that you own does in the leagues depends on how much you invest, yes? If like an upwardly looking owner supplies his manager with the resources, a good percentage of them will do well in their league and even gain promotion. If however, you happen to have owners like ours, there is only one way our Football Club will go, and it isn't up!..... With regards to CD and yourself. It's not the "Debate" that gets to me, it's the way in which both he and you come across as descending and holier than thou. I'm all for debate, but I definately won't be talked down too by you or anyone else.

Otis said:

That's the press for you.

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being spun by some on here not just the press

Sky Blue Kid said:

So the "Fact" about my saying the budget has decreased every year since the present owners took charge isn't a valid point then? Football being the entity that it is needs to footballers yes?.... Depending on how well the team that you own does in the leagues depends on how much you invest, yes? If like an upwardly looking owner supplies his manager with the resources, a good percentage of them will do well in their league and even gain promotion. If however, you happen to have owners like ours, there is only one way our Football Club will go, and it isn't up!..... With regards to CD and yourself. It's not the "Debate" that gets to me, it's the way in which both he and you come across as descending and holier than thou. I'm all for debate, but I definately won't be talked down too by you or anyone else.

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Yet you call somebody a prick for asking you a perfectly valid question when discussing attendances / budgets?

cloughie said:

being spun by some on here not just the press

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Strange that multiple people got that general idea from it isn't it? The main point CovMad have taken from it and mentioned is about season ticket renewals rather than anything else also.

fernandopartridge said:

Saw a tweet from somebody after the event. All he talked about was a total boycott.

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Is that the only tweet you read about the event?

Nick said:

Strange that multiple people got that general idea from it isn't it? The main point CovMad have taken from it and mentioned is about season ticket renewals rather than anything else also.

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Strange that no one mentioned that it was clearly stated several times by different people that a boycott was not needed as it was happening naturally by people voting with there feet and making their own personal decision not to renew next season. Which is a whole lot different from an organised boycott, but spin away as you wish

dongonzalos said:

Just a side thought.....
At the moment apparently we need a good relationship with the council (we don't have one)
We have to sell players to stay at breakeven
We have an owner who can't put money in
We have to run at breakeven.
The current financial model as admitted by the person running the club doesn't add up if we get into the championship.
We need a good relationship with our landlords (doesn't seem like we have that)
We desperately need to engage our fans and have them onside trusting us that when we made decisions they are the best for the club and not what's best for a different business, whether it's good for the club or not.

So fan ownership gets you

Running at breakeven only (we already are)
Selling players to stay at breakeven (we already do)
A good relationship with the council ( you would like to think so)
Good relationship with our landlords (better chance than we have now)
Good relationship with the fans (you would like to think so)
Decisions made solely with the best interests of the club (you would like to think so)

Big downside

SISU don't want to realise their loses.
They don't seem to have a long term plan.
So looks like fans may have to wait a few years for the unfortunate nature to take its cause

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Lost in the sea of arguements but it seems to me that what's apparent is that we are already ran in the same manner as fan ownership now. Except with people whose priority is another company?

For those who could attend the meeting, Is this the case?

i wodner what will happen next season. league 1 or 2 i cant see ST sales being much more than 2k

ive been called a sisu lover many times on this forum but i have been a handful of times this season only and i am not fussed about going up again anytime soon

last year i went to 15 odd

i know many others that have stopped going too. no organised boycott just had enough

Nick said:

Yet you call somebody a prick for asking you a perfectly valid question when discussing attendances / budgets?

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No I didn't!.... I called him(and you if the cap fits) a Condescending prick!

cloughie said:

Strange that no one mentioned that it was clearly stated several times by different people that a boycott was not needed as it was happening naturally by people voting with there feet and making their own personal decision not to renew next season. Which is a whole lot different from an organised boycott, but spin away as you wish

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What's being spun?

I said that was the way I could see it going, the next morning a radio station are pushing that same line.

Now, what should be done is that somebody should clear it up, contact Free Radio and correct them, come on here and correct it and explain what's meant by the admin stuff that was said twice yesterday at different occasions that is clearly putting into people's heads that by doing a boycott it's a way to get fan ownership.

Note, that isn't me saying the Trust said everybody should boycott. I said it is putting the idea into people's heads that a boycott could lead to admin which then leads to fan ownership.

If free radio are running that on their news then something must have given them that idea also mustn't it? Instead of just shouting it never happened, correct it.

If our fans are serious about starting a fund to look at buying the club from the owners then I would be willing to contribute. I wouldn't mind who was the lead body in taking this forward and would offer any support I could muster from manning the turnstiles to making the pies.
All I would ask is that there is no point in asking how we got to this point, more about how do we get control from the club and move forward without the owners, whether as a purchase or even look at franchising the club from sisu, paying them an annual fee to them to stay away from the running of the football club.
It is not what Portsmouth did or Swansea achieved, its about a business model that will succeed for Coventry City.

Sky Blue Kid said:

Does ticket prices being lowered makes SISU our hero's? If they opened the games up for free, gates would still be down, why? It's not so much cheaper seats(It does help) but investment on the team is what's needed. Instead of suing anyone and everyone, put money to a better cause, put it towards buying better players than the dross we've got now, you know what I mean? Buy a good CF at the first opportunity, rather than wait to see what shit we can pick up for nothing on the last day of the transfer window. To cut a long story short, all CD ever does is throw figures at you. Letting the heart rule the head is not always the best route to go, but it's not always the wrong way. CD and Nick, are always the first to jump to the defence of SISU... "Just for balance".... Btw, have you had a word with Grenduffy yet? I'll bet not!

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First and foremost, you answered the question. You raise some decent points. Pity you didn't answer the question first time around.

Second CD asked you a question you didn't answer you insulted. I seem to recall you banging on and on and on at Nick when he doesn't answer your questions. Pot and kettle come to mind.

Third, if Grendel had been on the thread and called someone a condescending prick I would have said the same to him. He didn't, and I am fucked if I am going to monitor the site all the time like you do to see if Grendel insults anyone, just so I can call him out to please you.

Fourth what the fuck has Grendel got to do with this post. Are you obsessed with him? For fucks sake if you like him that much ask him on a date.

Sky Blue Kid said:

I will try again....

Why were SISU reneging on making £20m available for players to "Take the Football Club forward"?
What good would resigning from Coventry City fc do with regards to the "Loans" to Cardiff City fc"?...It certainly wouldn't get him off any charges should they be proven would it?
Is shitting on the fans of Coventry City fc. by SISU something a business of integrity would do in your opinion?

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Of course it would get him off as he was only breaking FL rules if he was chairman of another club - that's the only think the FL would be interested in and any investigation would cease when he resigned

Do you think he should have made the loans? With redirect I have posed the original question and you will not answer - answer and then I will address the counter question.

Moff said:

First and foremost, you answered the question. Pity you didn't do it first time around.

Second CD asked you a question you didn't answer you insulted. I seem to recall you banging on and on and on at Nick when he doesn't answer your questions. Pot and kettle come to mind.

Third, if Grendel had been on the thread and called someone a condescending prick I would have said the same to him. He didn't, and I am fucked if I am going to monitor the site all the time like you do to see if Grendel insults anyone, just so I can call him out to please you.

Fourth what the fuck has Grendel got to do with this post. Are you obsessed with him? For fucks sake if you like him that much ask him on a date.

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1) Get your facts right. I said Nick is always answering questions with a question from everyone on the forum, like a built in defence mechanism.
2) Strange that I've never seen you pull him up when he's sworn at posters, or, come to think of it, any other poster that swears on this forum. Or is it you only come on the forum when I'm on?
3)If my point number 2 is correct, why haven't you asked me out?
4) Grenduffy has everything to do with this post Moff. If you look back 2-3 pages he was the one to start it all off.... Or are you another Nick? only looks at the last page and then starts from there?

stupot07 said:

Yep, but most fans werent at the meeting and when I was tuned into Periscope only 74 people were on that. So the majority of fans will get their information/updates through thr media. And that is saying boycott.

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Over 1200 viewed the periscope feed.

Captain Dart said:

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Far enough. It only said 74 when I was on it. Does it count repeat viewers separately?

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stupot07 said:

Far enough. It only said 74 when I was on it.

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That was people watching live at that time, it was going up and down as people opened / closed it so it was about 60 / 70 odd a lot of the way through.

The overall figure will be total watched including those since, I am sure Captain Dart knows that though

Please oh please lets all forget about this. Its not going to happen, the fan base is now finished to finance it.

Of course it would get him off as he was only breaking FL rules if he was chairman of another club - that's the only think the FL would be interested in and any investigation would cease when he resigned

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The investigation was started BEFORE he resigned so would carry on untill he is found guilty, or not guilty..... You're not in a soap opera now Grenduffy.

cloughie said:

are you thick or what, how can they present something they are working on , not finalised.

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The trust have been working on this for two years we are told. I would expect after two years for them to have something to show for it. That's not unreasonable when they start talking about people putting money into escrow accounts and committing to buying shares is it?

Irish Sky Blue said:

David Johnson of The Jimmy Hill Way, Jan from the Trust. Two different organisations. As the guy from Portsmouth said protest leading organisation needs to be separate from the Trust.

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This is the point isn't it. They need to be completely separate yet you have David Johnson up on stage at a Trust event about fan ownership. You have the Trust posting things about JHW protests on their website and you even had Moz getting the two mixed up. They very clearly aren't separate and they need to be.

Irish Sky Blue said:

Pompey getting 16000 crowds in League 2 with 12000 season ticket holders and presumably a positive atmosphere about the place have far more chance of success than we have with our shrinking fan base. Both clubs are operating a break even policy but the Pompey version is a world away from Fisher's

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Before the fans takeover they average 12.232 in L1 despite being bottom and getting relegated. Simple fact is they are a better supported side than us, in a much smaller city. If you then look that they required a large council loan and several individuals to put in large amounts it shows you what we are up against. And that was buying out of admin, unless we're saying push the club into admin we would need a lot more finance.
Pomepy's business plan for the first couple of years post fans takeover had 7 figure losses budgeted. They've since had to dilute their ownership as additional funds have been required.

dongonzalos said:

Lost in the sea of arguements but it seems to me that what's apparent is that we are already ran in the same manner as fan ownership now. Except with people whose priority is another company?

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That was the thing that struck me. A lot of what was being said by the Supporters Direct / Pompey representatives could have been straight out of Fishers mouth. Said in a less antagonistic way but still the same thing which will have the same end result. I wasn't really clear on how fan ownership would really change the way the club is run. Yes you'd have people who cared about the club involved which is obviously a good thing but if you have £1m to spend now or £1m to spend with fan ownership you're getting the same end result.
There was a vague notion that you'd get more sponsorship and more people turning up with fan ownership but IMO that's a long way from guaranteed.