Rumour: Hoffman and Elliot takeover negotiations (3 Viewers)

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NorthernWisdom

NorthernWisdom

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Irish Sky Blue said:
Like I said most of us thought Sisu were going to be great. I certainly did. Listening to him on the radio tonight I was impressed. Agreed with everything he said. Seemed very reluctant to be on there and also angry with the way Sisu do things.
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And it really wasn't hard to find out what they were all about.

Given he was Vice Chairman (and Vice Chairman to hedge fund owning, eye-watering interest-rate charging Ranson), if he didn't know what they were all about, that shows a spectacular lack of judgement.
 
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rupert_bear

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NorthernWisdom said:
And it really wasn't hard to find out what they were all about.

Given he was Vice Chairman (and Vice Chairman to hedge fund owning, eye-watering interest-rate charging Ranson), if he didn't know what they were all about, that shows a spectacular lack of judgement.
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Hindsight is a wonderful thing.
At the time we were in a perilous financial position and sisu came along and looked the only player in town, seems they weren't. We all know sisu played the game for a while but changed tact, was that their plan all the time ? and it all seemed to go tits up from there.
 
letsallsingtogether

letsallsingtogether

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italiahorse said:
Just need Sisu to allow the first domino to fall and everything else falls into place.
Delay buying your tickets to further pressurise Sisu.
Keep badgering Sisu by email and phone and lets use tomorrow to verbally let our thoughts be known.
Keep off the pitch though as Wasps have a big couple of games coming up ;)
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Fuck it let's dig up the pitch sisu can't pay and we get the club for nothing.........
Job done;)
 
Irish Sky Blue

Irish Sky Blue

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NorthernWisdom said:
And it really wasn't hard to find out what they were all about.

Given he was Vice Chairman (and Vice Chairman to hedge fund owning, eye-watering interest-rate charging Ranson), if he didn't know what they were all about, that shows a spectacular lack of judgement.
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Impressed with him on the radio. First time I have heard him speak. Hoffman or Fisher? I know who I would believe. In the end, unless someone else comes in, the question remains the same, who would you prefer, A new start with Hoffman or continue with Sisu?
 
withnail

withnail

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Every time i've dipped in to this post, over the years, I never really understand what random shit you lot are banging on about.This post and the past 17 years, i hop e, are some kind of surreal bad dream and I'm going to bed now and fully expect to wake up in the 90s tomorrow.fingers crossed.
Ps saw Brian Borrows in Leam today.
 
Earlsdon_Skyblue1

Earlsdon_Skyblue1

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withnail said:
Every time i've dipped in to this post, over the years, I never really understand what random shit you lot are banging on about.This post and the past 17 years, i hop e, are some kind of surreal bad dream and I'm going to bed now and fully expect to wake up in the 90s tomorrow.fingers crossed.
Ps saw Brian Borrows in Leam today.
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Mate, that's more random than most of the shit posted by me or others on here tonight, and I've had about 15 pints!

Come on Miss Withering...
 
olderskyblue

olderskyblue

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withnail said:
Every time i've dipped in to this post, over the years, I never really understand what random shit you lot are banging on about.This post and the past 17 years, i hop e, are some kind of surreal bad dream and I'm going to bed now and fully expect to wake up in the 90s tomorrow.fingers crossed.
Ps saw Brian Borrows in Leam today.
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Strange, I was talking to a Lloyds Bank support guy on the phone earlier, and turns out he was Chris Cattlin's nephew.
 
Astute

Astute

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Rob S said:
What I don't get is why Hoffman is being given a free pass as our potential saviour. He was front & centre for the whole mess in the first place – along with Onye, Ranson et al – and has to take some major responsibility for running up the debts and our fall from grace, surely?
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Free pass? Some on here think he would be worse than SISU.
 
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Kingokings204

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Hoffman now needs to come back next week end of the season and make the third and final bid. If they say no to that you can't keep bidding hoping they say yes so you may as well now just put in their best offer and if they say no say look We have tried but if they say no to 3 million quid then fuck it.

If that's the case we are stuck with sisu and that's just the end of it.
 
Astute

Astute

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Godiva said:
I think it's only fair to ask questions of Hoffman/Elliott and their offer.
We should after all remember that Hoffman and Elliott were two of the directors on the first board after SISU came in. They wasted the golden opportunity to spend the first many, many milions to bring us forward.
They failed.
Their strategy was
1) Stabilize the finances - they failed!
2) Secure promotion to the PL - they failed!
3) Buy 50% of the stadium - they failed!
In fact - their failure laid the foundation the to hatret towards SISU. And they don't seem to have any decency to at least admit they carry some responsibility.

Why would anyone simply accept they are 'better' than SISU when they were 'acting as SISU' (just like Fisher is now) back when there was money and good will in abundance. They screwed up!
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So SISU only failed because of Hoffmann and Elliot?
 
Paxman II

Paxman II

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Hoffman's bid tbf is a bit of a joke. It's a convoluted miss mash of promises and open ended maybes. It's just not something to take seriously in my opinion.
I guess rather than cash he is looking at a way SISU retain some equity over a period of time but without control of how that equity builds or loses value before being cashed in.
The problem I sense is Hoffman's consortium do not have the financial means to give CCFC anything much better than what we have with SISU. Both will continue to tread water with the difference being the evil ones would all be gone. So you give SISU another 1m when we reach the Championship? How long will that take? What guarantee could there possible be on such an offer? It's all a bit absurd tbh...and this from a banker.
Just listen to what Hoffman is trying to sell? One look at OSB58's summary earlier demonstrates just how complicated the 'club' ownership is.
If I walked into a business for sale and said I'll give you a bit of cash but I'll pay you some more when I get control and earn off the business...effectively paying them with their own money? All I see is court case after court case from SISU claiming "where's my money". Seriously?
Yes you can get some cocker mania offer on the table and hope they will take it in desperation but this isn't it.
I'm sure Gazza and Elliott want to be heroes and save our club but like the back of a fag packet before, he just seems to be making waves. Perhaps it's all for publicity to attract other investors?
Perhaps with his background and contacts within banking he could sell a similar 'plan' to the bankers he has high profile with, and raise capital to say to SISU..."OK her's 10m all up front, now fcuk off" That might work. :)
 
singers_pore

singers_pore

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It would be good to know how much this consortium really has in cash. Hard to believe that 7 successful business can only muster 1.25 million between all of them. I reckon I could do better than that with the few contacts I have.
 
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hotrod

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It does not matter how much the Hoffman group have, they are not going to pay more than what they value the Cub at.This would apply to anybody who wish to purchase something whether it is a second-hand car,house etc.


Regards.
 
NorthernWisdom

NorthernWisdom

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Irish Sky Blue said:
Impressed with him on the radio. First time I have heard him speak. Hoffman or Fisher? I know who I would believe. In the end, unless someone else comes in, the question remains the same, who would you prefer, A new start with Hoffman or continue with Sisu?
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It's not a new start with Hoffman, it's continuing with those associated with SISU.

May be radical, but why can't we have a new start that doesn't include those who've failed in the past.
 
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Dhinsa's_Millions

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NorthernWisdom said:
It's not a new start with Hoffman, it's continuing with those associated with SISU.

May be radical, but why can't we have a new start that doesn't include those who've failed in the past.
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Wouldn't everyone love that ; unfortunately I don't see a steady queue of oligarch's , Arab Prince's and Jack Walker's looking to give SISU the money they have wanted in the past.

If we don't get taken over this summer we are heading for non-league football. Most friends aren't renewing and will only do so when SISU clear off. Fisher and a new puppet CEO in the mould of Labovitch will only keep the same failing policies that culminated in fourth tier football next season.
 
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martcov

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If they think they can get things moving and will be able to give Joy a total with add-ons of around 10 million... then, as someone has said, they should go to a bank or financier with a business plan -- and 5 million own capital. Then ask for 5 from the bank and give Joy the 10 cash on the table.

If they haven't got the confidence, finance or a plausible business plan, then Joy will tell them to get lost. It's not Joy's job to finance them. Avro are still waiting to see what happens to their money. If they got their investment plus interest back things would look different.
 
NorthernWisdom

NorthernWisdom

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Dhinsa's_Millions said:
unfortunately I don't see a steady queue of oligarch's , Arab Prince's and Jack Walker's looking to give SISU the money they have wanted in the past.
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So if that's all SISU would accept, why would you poke the bear with an offer you know they wouldn't, that would make them dig their heels in, and make them less likely to accept *all* offers going forward?

If, however, a deal *could* be done, why does it have to be an oligarch or Arab Prince?
 
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Dhinsa's_Millions

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martcov said:
If they think they can get things moving and will be able to give Joy a total with add-ons of around 10 million... then, as someone has said, they should go to a bank or financier with a business plan -- and 5 million own capital. Then ask for 5 from the bank and give Joy the 10 cash on the table.

If they haven't got the confidence, finance or a plausible business plan, then Joy will tell them to get lost. It's not Joy's job to finance them. Avro are still waiting to see what happens to their money. If they got their investment plus interest back things would look different.
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Is this a joke?!Why would a bank give money toward a plan that Hoffman has already suggested will be a complete gamble and could result in 'money down the drain'. It's not a delicatessen or a restaurant!

Why are people falling for this 'proof of funds' nonsense from SISU. It's the usual spin. Look at their statement / open letter for a brief glimpse at how out of touch they are.
 
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