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Liquid Gold said:

Radical right wing politics is now considered centrism

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Yes bringing out the old Victorian Values.
Of course they did their best and liberalised.
But Jesus this is 2017!

chiefdave said:

She was terrible on Marr this morning. Problem is how many people watch that?

Marr quoted Royal College of Nursing figures showing nurses have had a 14% pay cut since 2010 and they are using food banks in order to eat. Her answer was to basically say nurses needing to use food banks was nothing to do with the government.

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We don't need simple minded idiots like Owen Smith at the helm!

dutchman said:

I beg your pardon?

Labour abolished Incapacity Benefit at the end of October 2008 and replaced it with Employment Support Allowance which is paid at a lower rate. At the same time they also introduced the Work Capability Assessment which disqualified many people from claiming ESA even if they had an incurable illness and were terminal.

Employment and Support Allowance - Wikipedia

Try doing some research before calling me a liar.

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ESA introducedEdit
In October 2008, ESA and its eligibility test, the Work Capability Assessment, were introduced for new claims.[36] Reformers were disappointed to find that the total number of people on sickness and incapacity benefits went up, largely as a result of the financial crisis of 2008 and the consequent rise in background unemployment.

Plans were made to tighten up the eligibility criteria still further - something that would set the Incapacity Benefit reassessment programme back by two years. The Welfare Secretary wrote that these and other planned changes would ensure that "only those who are genuinely incapable of work" would get full ESA - other sickness benefit recipients would have to comply with plans drawn up with the DWP's private partners to get them back to work.[37]

You said something like labour slashed welfare. They didn't

Sky Blue Pete said:

ESA introducedEdit
In October 2008, ESA and its eligibility test, the Work Capability Assessment, were introduced for new claims.[36] Reformers were disappointed to find that the total number of people on sickness and incapacity benefits went up, largely as a result of the financial crisis of 2008 and the consequent rise in background unemployment.

Plans were made to tighten up the eligibility criteria still further - something that would set the Incapacity Benefit reassessment programme back by two years. The Welfare Secretary wrote that these and other planned changes would ensure that "only those who are genuinely incapable of work" would get full ESA - other sickness benefit recipients would have to comply with plans drawn up with the DWP's private partners to get them back to work.[37]

You said something like labour slashed welfare. They didn't

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So even the link you included showed more people claimed than less

The last Labour government slashed sickness benefits in 2008 and disqualified many people from claiming them altogether. There's no reason to believe a future Labour government would behave any different.

They genuinely wanted to direct the need rather than the shit the tories peddled from. 2010 onwards

Sky Blue Pete said:

They genuinely wanted to direct the need rather than the shit the tories peddled from. 2010 onwards

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Yeah right!

They not only slashed the rate at which sickness compensation was paid they also paved the way for the Tories to slash it even further.

The Labour government also phased out Pension Credit at the same time plunging millions of over-60s on low incomes into dire poverty.

dutchman said:

Yeah right!

They not only slashed the rate at which sickness compensation was paid they also paved the way for the Tories to slash it even further.

The Labour government also phased out Pension Credit at the same time plunging millions of over-60s on low incomes into dire poverty.

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Mmmmmm interesting

SIR ERNIE said:

Conservative party are undeniably the best on offer

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Which are the Conservative policies that make them undeniably the best on offer?

Philosorapter said:

You just don't know how much England has moved right until you have left the place. I put the blame very firmly in the lap of New Labour, who sold out the soul of the party, and left so many disinfranchised with politics because they had no one to vote for.

Its why you have seen the rise of the SNP and UKIP. Looking for an alternative whatever that may bring.

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I lived in Scotland for about 8 years and came to the conclusion that I would live there permanently if it weren't for Scottish nationalism which regardless of what the SNP say has its roots in anti-English sentiment. I agree with Scots on nearly every other issue besides identity.

The selfishness and greed here has unquestionably risen over the last few years. Anyone who goes on strike is a disgrace for inconveniencing the public, anyone unemployed is a scrounger and social democracy is communism. Then you have Mrs May up there calling a benign old man a terrorist sympathiser while she arms a terrorist state, and failing to justify why schools and hospitals are being underfunded to breaking point. I know Scots would prefer to leave but for economic reasons, and I don't blame them.

The SNP is just a group of parties that have come together with the goal of creating an independent state. I am all for self-determination, as I would hope everyone is. Coming out of the EU will fundamentally change the nature of Scotland and the safeguards Scotland has against authoritarian rule. Can't see any reason to stop another referendum to let the Scottish people choose which path they desire for their country.

There is a lot of anti-English rheoteric up here but that is tied mainly into the tourism. I came up here for University as a mature student to read philosophy with a good proportion of that on political philosophy, and decided it was a far more open society than Coventry, which is why I decided to stay. I think I was the only person not aligned to a political/theological ideology, and very glad to say, still not.

Seriously guys, most of the councillors Coventry has got at the moment are absolute tripe. I've been speaking to a good proportion of them on Twitter trying to understand if these people know what they are doing, and you've got the good, the bad, and the Jayne Innes. A systematic clear out is needed, especially within the local Labour Party.

I still look at myself first and foremost as a Coventarian and just up here mixing it with the locals you might say.

Captain Dart said:

We don't need simple minded idiots like Owen Smith at the helm!

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Band 5 on the NHS is 21K...band 6 is 26k. Good luck surviving on 21 grand as a young single person where you can expect to pay around 600 to 700 a month for a one bed flat before you've even paid bills.

dutchman said:

Yeah right!

They not only slashed the rate at which sickness compensation was paid they also paved the way for the Tories to slash it even further.

The Labour government also phased out Pension Credit at the same time plunging millions of over-60s on low incomes into dire poverty.

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That's why, for the first time, homeowners who are retired are better off than those who work.

Sick Boy said:

Band 5 on the NHS is 21K...band 6 is 26k. Good luck surviving on 21 grand as a young single person where you can expect to pay around 600 to 700 a month for a one bed flat before you've even paid bills.

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Don't be silly, if you can't afford something you find an alternative, a house share is much cheaper.

Captain Dart said:

Don't be silly, if you can't afford something you find an alternative, a house share is much cheaper.

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You're still looking at around 500quid for a house share.

Edit: just did a quick Google in the local area and some of these go up to 750 per month. The figure I quoted to rent would get you a studio...an actual flat would be around 800.

Sick Boy said:

You're still looking at around 500quid for a house share.

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Rubbish a house is £800-900/m, shared between 3 or 4.

Captain Dart said:

Rubbish a house is £800-900/m, shared between 3 or 4.

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I am talking about the south of England. We pay 900 for a one bed flat.

Sick Boy said:

I am talking about the south of England.

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The salaries apply across the UK.

Captain Dart said:

The salaries apply across the UK.

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Indeed that do but how would you then propose the country addresses the fact that it has a lack of nurses and midwives in the south of England as they have been priced out living there?

Do you now see why some nurses are having to use food banks? It is a disgrace.

Why should nurses working long hours and on shifts have to house share to be able to afford to live anywhere?

And of course thanks to the changes the government have made to bursaries and fees they now enter employment with an average of £68K in debt to repay.

chiefdave said:

Why should nurses working long hours and on shifts have to house share to be able to afford to live anywhere?

And of course thanks to the changes the government have made to bursaries and fees they now enter employment with an average of £68K in debt to repay.

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Obvious why people wouldn't bother. It's an easier life to get 2 kids fired out and watch Jeremy Kyle.

No incentive and being a good person who wants to help others can only go so far.

The thing that bugs me is the politicians (all parties) comfortably & smugly parry questions about their own pay. If you want to attract the best people for the job, you have to pay the going rate to attract them...that kind of argument. Well the same goes for teachers, nurses, police & all other public servants...not just the political civil servant mandarins & politicians.

If you want the best care for the sick...you employ the best carers...but you have to make them feel good & appreciated about what they're doing. Generally my dealing with the health care professionals I deal with - none of them feel anything approaching either except from the patients they treat

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Sick Boy said:

That's why, for the first time, homeowners who are retired are better off than those who work.

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Pension Credit is only paid to those 20% with the lowest incomes so they are unlikely to own their own homes. In addition to that since Labour changed the qualifying rules those aged between 60 and 66 can simply no longer afford to retire whether they own their own home or not. A knock on effect has been that those between 60 and 66 with the lowest incomes who are forced to rent now also have to pay the bedroom tax and those who 'own' a flat or maisonette can no longer claim for ground rent or maintenance charges.

clint van damme said:

"there are many complex reasons why people use food banks"

no there's not, it's because they can't afford food.

"the way out of poverty is through work"

most of the people using food banks are from working families.
She's a fucking cow, in fact it's worse, she's a fucking useless cow.

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"the way out of poverty is through work"

Sounds similar to 'Arbeit macht frei'...

Working for just about enough to survive is not the way out of poverty.

SkyblueBazza said:

The thing that bugs me is the politicians (all parties) comfortably & smugly parry questions about their own pay. If you want to attract the best people for the job, you have to pay the going rate to attract them...that kind of argument. Well the same goes for teachers, nurses, police & all other public servants...not just the political civil servant mandarins & politicians.

If you want the best care for the sick...you employ the best carers...but you have to make them feel good & appreciated about what they're doing. Generally my dealing with the health care professionals I deal with - none of them feel anything approaching either except from the patients they treat

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Every public service worker I've ever known has wanted to do a decent job. Be given the tools for the job and trusted to get on with it. And be paid enough to support their family (like anyone else).

Right wingers have a very blinkered view of the world. I saw it when Bob Edmiston took over Woodway Park as Grace Academy. He thought you needed a cut throat environment and pay incentives for teachers to do their job, but that shows a complete misunderstanding of public sector work. Just like many lefties don't fully understand finance for example, the right really don't get working for something other than a pay cheque. The idea of collaboration is just alien to them.

Carers are the ones that really get me. Look after the most vulnerable yet paid peanuts and treated like shit.

My kingdom for a nationalised social care system.

Just out of interest Shmmee, how is Grace Acadamy doing, especially in the subject of science?

Oh dear, anyone listened to Diane Abbot's interview today?

olderskyblue said:

Oh dear, anyone listened to Diane Abbot's interview today?

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I'd rather not...

olderskyblue said:

Oh dear, anyone listened to Diane Abbot's interview today?

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She's made a fuck up there is no doubt - and you can see the media all over it.

However it would be nice to see the fuck ups made by May since she announced the election (and there are shitloads of them) in the media - for fairness and all that.

Ian1779 said:

She's made a fuck up there is no doubt - and you can see the media all over it.

However it would be nice to see the fuck ups made by May since she announced the election (and there are shitloads of them) in the media - for fairness and all that.

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Yes. not trying to make a political point, but oh my, was it bad...

Forgetting all the baiting in this thread, Abbot really is Corbyn's blind spot. Forget ideology, she's just... inept.

Ian1779 said:

She's made a fuck up there is no doubt - and you can see the media all over it.

However it would be nice to see the fuck ups made by May since she announced the election (and there are shitloads of them) in the media - for fairness and all that.

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Totally agree with this. Abbot is a nightmare and she's messed this interview up royally but it gives a prime example of the issues with bias in the media. The interview in question was preceded by 6 others where she correctly quoted the figures as this plan has been fully costed.

Compare the attention this is getting with one of May's rare interview on Sunday where she had no answer to why poverty was rising or nurses needing to use food banks.

Today she's in Cornwall, interesting following the live feed from the local paper:

Theresa May has arrived at the Water ma Trout industrial estate in Helston - but we are not allowed to show her arriving.
We've been told by the PM's press team that we were not allowed to stand outsite to see Theresa May arrive.
The prime minister is behind this door - but we can't show you. Her press team has said print journalists are not allowed to see her visiting the company.
Having covered several high-profile politicians' and royal visits over the years, the level of media control here is far and above anything I've seen before. We're not even allowed to show you her visiting the building.
Here is another example of the tight media control over the visit: All journalists are only allowed two questions for Mrs May, and we are not allowed to film her answering our questions.
We've been allowed to ask our questions to the prime minister (although we are forbidden to film or photograph her answering them).
We were given at most three minutes and were refused to be allowed to ask why we were not allowed to film her.
Mrs may managed to get the words 'strong' and 'leadership' into her second sentence.

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Maybe if Labour just told everyone to go around parroting 'strong and stable leadership' we'd be better off. May even gave that answer to a question about Cornwall's health,social care and education sector today!

chiefdave said:

Totally agree with this. Abbot is a nightmare and she's messed this interview up royally but it gives a prime example of the issues with bias in the media. The interview in question was preceded by 6 others where she correctly quoted the figures as this plan has been fully costed.

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6 rehearsals, and still got it so badly wrong? So it's just her memory that's at fault then?

Agree they all make errors, but I thought one this bad was worth a mention.

shmmeee said:

Every public service worker I've ever known has wanted to do a decent job. Be given the tools for the job and trusted to get on with it. And be paid enough to support their family (like anyone else).

Right wingers have a very blinkered view of the world. I saw it when Bob Edmiston took over Woodway Park as Grace Academy. He thought you needed a cut throat environment and pay incentives for teachers to do their job, but that shows a complete misunderstanding of public sector work. Just like many lefties don't fully understand finance for example, the right really don't get working for something other than a pay cheque. The idea of collaboration is just alien to them.

Carers are the ones that really get me. Look after the most vulnerable yet paid peanuts and treated like shit.

My kingdom for a nationalised social care system.

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Hear hear!!!

Liquid Gold said:

Radical right wing politics is now considered centrism

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Can you give an example? Just interested as to what radical right wing politics you believe is considered central.

I would have said having a bit of pride and a sprinkle of nationalism seems to get thrown around as far right these days...

Earlsdon_Skyblue1 said:

Can you give an example? Just interested as to what radical right wing politics you believe is considered central.

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Well, economic policy is pretty 'radical and right wing' compared to a 70s political landscape, where Ted Heath would have made Blair seem right wing!