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clint van damme

clint van damme

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NorthernWisdom said:
Yup. Even if we get a reasonable deal, it still won't be enough for som, who have a bizarre thought that the EU will roll over an give us everything we want. And that some could now be the tipping point...
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crazy to think that a party of flat earth bible bashers now hold the trump card with regard to how we approach brexit, even crazier is that they will push for a soft brexit strategy to maintain the economic benefits that the 'soft' border with the republic has brought about, unthinkable not that long ago.
 
Grendel

Grendel

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clint van damme said:
Sinn Fein don't take their seats so that won't happen. Will be a tory DUP coalition.
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I was being flippant. I never really get why they say you need 326 seats as you don't it's 322. The UDP will side and the Tories will carry on.
 
Astute

Astute

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Ian1779 said:
The voting public have unequivocally said that her party are not wanted to run this country.
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But even less want Labour. So does that mean both May and Corbyn should go?

As I said earlier I would prefer Starmer to be leader of the Labour party. Someone the electorate could put their faith in. And Boris for the Conservatives. That would get the Labour party back in power.
 
clint van damme

clint van damme

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Grendel said:
I was being flippant. I never really get why they say you need 326 seats as you don't it's 322. The UDP will side and the Tories will carry on.
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'lt'll be a price though - I'd imagine the DUP are in a room now drawing up a list.

They want the triple lock pension to remain, they want soft brexit, I'm not sure what else, their website keeps crashing!
 
rob9872

rob9872

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Now that you’ve had your few hours crowing over the result:

1) Tories lost seats, but increased their vote share and Labour didn’t actually win
2) You’ll still get the cuts and not the investment you seek
3) 5 years of opposition or yet another election
4) An awful Brexit deal, regardless of whether you agree with Brexit we now get shafted

As much as I dislike the measures and suggestions Labour made ahead of the election, in some ways I wish they had won outright and said now go and deliver what you promised. All in imo a hung parliament is the worst possible result.
 
Ian1779

Ian1779

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Astute said:
But even less want Labour. So does that mean both May and Corbyn should go?

As I said earlier I would prefer Starmer to be leader of the Labour party. Someone the electorate could put their faith in. And Boris for the Conservatives. That would get the Labour party back in power.
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It was the Tories that called this for a strong mandate. She has utterly failed.

Labour would not have called an election at this time, so although they have not won either they are now the party with the momentum.
 
clint van damme

clint van damme

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rob9872 said:
Now that you’ve had your few hours crowing over the result:

1) Tories lost seats, but increased their vote share and Labour didn’t actually win
2) You’ll still get the cuts and not the investment you seek
3) 5 years of opposition or yet another election
4) An awful Brexit deal, regardless of whether you agree with Brexit we now get shafted

As much as I dislike the measures and suggestions Labour made ahead of the election, in some ways I wish they had won outright and said now go and deliver what you promised. All in imo a hung parliament is the worst possible result.
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We were/are always going to get an awful brexit deal, no matter who was conducting negotiations, May was deluding herself if she thought otherwise.
 
Grendel

Grendel

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rob9872 said:
Now that you’ve had your few hours crowing over the result:

1) Tories lost seats, but increased their vote share and Labour didn’t actually win
2) You’ll still get the cuts and not the investment you seek
3) 5 years of opposition or yet another election
4) An awful Brexit deal, regardless of whether you agree with Brexit we now get shafted

As much as I dislike the measures and suggestions Labour made ahead of the election, in some ways I wish they had won outright and said now go and deliver what you promised. All in imo a hung parliament is the worst possible result.
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An accurate assessment - she won't but May should say that she has failed in her ambition to achieve a majority and let mr Corbyn form a government.

An already plunging pound will slump to record low levels, banks will start to hike up interest rates and people should be allowed a peek into the nightmare future they would receive in Corbyn land.

It would be shambolic chaos
 
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Kingokings204

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Agreed hung parliament result is the worst possible result. We all lose now really. Someone needed a majority and deliver a clear plan. Tory will still govern for next 5 years.

Whilst I agree labour had a good night they still lost a majority by 60 odd seats. They weren't even close. I have to agree with a real labour leader they would of got a majority last night.
 
skybluetony176

skybluetony176

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Grendel said:
She can't resign. She will have to carry on - she should actually take up labours kind offer to run the country.

That won't happen.

She is the most popular leader in terms of the overall vote for 16 years.
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Ahh. Grendull thinks a general election is a personality contest not a policy contest. Bless
 
Grendel

Grendel

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NorthernWisdom said:
It's not irrelevant. It shows they're closer in a number of seats, and next time it won't tak much of a shift.

And if it's all about the seats, then UKIP's dismal failure over the years would suggest the referendum was a blip, and zero people ever wanted UKI...
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It is irrelevant as this is not a PR system - if it was a PR system the vote patterns would change

UKIP have always relied on one man. Today that man suggested he may need to get back into politics.
 
Grendel

Grendel

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clint van damme said:
if they were miles adrift the tories wouldn't be on the phone to the flat earth society asking them to prop up their government.
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But they are and they wouldn't be able to form a government at all but they should be given the task
 
RegTheDonk

RegTheDonk

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Kingokings204 said:
Agreed hung parliament result is the worst possible result. We all lose now really. Someone needed a majority and deliver a clear plan. Tory will still govern for next 5 years.

Whilst I agree labour had a good night they still lost a majority by 60 odd seats. They weren't even close. I have to agree with a real labour leader they would of got a majority last night.
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But this was part of the plan apparently. Keep Corbyn in power so they can have another 5 years next time around.
Grendel said:
She can't resign. She will have to carry on - she should actually take up labours kind offer to run the country.

That won't happen.

She is the most popular leader in terms of the overall vote for 16 years.
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She needs to be popular with her own party.
 
NorthernWisdom

NorthernWisdom

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Grendel said:
It is irrelevant as this is not a PR system - if it was a PR system the vote patterns would change

UKIP have always relied on one man. Today that man suggested he may need to get back into politics.
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They only got one seat under that one man, so were a total irrelevance then, and not remotely representing any group of people in the country, by your logic.
 
matesx

matesx

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i see the SISU OUT independent got over a 1000 votes!

Coventry North West
Lab Geoffrey Robinson (53.95%)

26,894
votes
Con Resham Kotecha (36.74%)

18,314
votes
UKIP Michael Gee (3.06%)

1,525
votes
Lib Dem Andrew Hilton (2.58%)

1,286
votes
Ind Ciaran Norris (2.34%)

1,164
votes
Green Stephen Gray (1.34%)

666
votes
Result: Lab holdSwing: 3.62% from Con to LabVotes: 49,849
 
Grendel

Grendel

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NorthernWisdom said:
They only got one seat under that one man, so were a total irrelevance then, and not remotely representing any group of people in the country, by your logic.
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No under this system they are not and neither are labour

Socialism has been roundly rejected as a politic doctrine - Corbyn should resign.
 
clint van damme

clint van damme

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matesx said:
i see the SISU OUT independent got over a 1000 votes!

Coventry North West
Lab Geoffrey Robinson (53.95%)

26,894
votes
Con Resham Kotecha (36.74%)

18,314
votes
UKIP Michael Gee (3.06%)

1,525
votes
Lib Dem Andrew Hilton (2.58%)

1,286
votes
Ind Ciaran Norris (2.34%)

1,164
votes
Green Stephen Gray (1.34%)

666
votes
Result: Lab holdSwing: 3.62% from Con to LabVotes: 49,849
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and the man who welcomed them in got 26,000!
 
skybluetony176

skybluetony176

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clint van damme said:
'lt'll be a price though - I'd imagine the DUP are in a room now drawing up a list.

They want the triple lock pension to remain, they want soft brexit, I'm not sure what else, their website keeps crashing!
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Yep. The Tories are going to have to make some concessions to form an alliance with the DUP. Ironically if the likely concessions had have been policy in the first place, which wouldn't have been unreasonable, she wouldn't be in this mess now. She paid too much attention to the shouty out means out, we know what we voted for lot to realise that actually not all that voted out voted for a hard brexit and almost an equal amount to those that voted leave voted remain.

She was either always been leave and had now shown her true colors or she's actually failed to grasp what the referendum actually said choosing to incompetently listen to the wrong people.
 
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hotrod

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Is Nicola sturgeon going to demand another vote as she does not agree with the result?

Regards.
 
chiefdave

chiefdave

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Whatever way you look at it you can't get around this being a disaster for May and good news for Labour, or at least Corbyn.

May called the election to get a stronger position, an increase in the Conservative majority. She has spectacularly failed at that which has to put her leadership under pressure.

Corbyn has really pulled it out of the bag here. All the polls and predictions when the election was called were a landslide and huge embarrassment for him. People talking about the lowest Labour vote ever and the end of the party. Where do they go from here? You have to think the sensible option is to unite behind him and build on this. The younger (and in this instance younger is equating to 40 and under) came out in numbers not normally seen as for once they had someone they felt would represent them. Can they build on that and get even more of that group out and voting next time?

Overall though we're now in a mess. The Conservatives gambled on a referendum thinking they knew what the result would be and lost and they've gambled again on this election expecting a landslide which hasn't appeared. This is exactly why we changed to fixed term parliaments, election should never have been called. There's bound to be another election called before the year is out and all the time the clock is ticking on brexit.
 
Grendel

Grendel

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NorthernWisdom said:
I'll give you your due, sometimes you're good value ;)
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As I've said Corbyn did perform well. Given his lack of leadership campaign experience his performances certainly defied my expectation of him.

Despite his age he came across as an energetic and passionate candidate and more engaged than his opponent.

The problem is though that he has reached maximum with this vote and is nowhere near forming a majority government.

If he resigned he'd get credit and probably with his personality get a media gig. Then the party should produce an electable candidate whose seen as credible across the country.
 
NorthernWisdom

NorthernWisdom

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chiefdave said:
There's bound to be another election called before the year is out
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I don't think there will. Wait until the negotiations don't go to plan, and then try and bring her down would be far better from an opposition POV. And it'd be far too dangerous to try running an election yet again from a Tory POV, as Corbyn's shown himself a viable alternative now.

And even half the Labour supporters (and members!) wouldn't have thought that even, before this election...
 
clint van damme

clint van damme

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skybluetony176 said:
Yep. The Tories are going to have to make some concessions to form an alliance with the DUP. Ironically if the likely concessions had have been policy in the first place, which wouldn't have been unreasonable, she wouldn't be in this mess now. She paid too much attention to the shouty out means out, we know what we voted for to realise that actually not all that voted out voted for a hard brexit and almost an equal amount to those that voted leave voted remain.

She was either always leave and had now shown her true colours or she's actually failed to grasp what the referendum actually said choosing to incompetently listen to the wrong people.
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She got slated for this in the Telegraph the other day. When you're tory leader and the Telegraph turns on you, you've got a problem.
 
clint van damme

clint van damme

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hotrod said:
Is Nicola sturgeon going to demand another vote as she does not agree with the result?

Regards.
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she was totally entitled to call for a 2nd referendum after the brexit vote. But unfortunately for her the Scottish electorate has shown that it doesn't want one. I think that will be that for a while now.
A harsh recession brought about by tough post brexit economic conditions may whet their appetite again.
 
clint van damme

clint van damme

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Grendel said:
As I've said Corbyn did perform well. Given his lack of leadership campaign experience his performances certainly defied my expectation of him.

Despite his age he came across as an energetic and passionate candidate and more engaged than his opponent.

The problem is though that he has reached maximum with this vote and is nowhere near forming a majority government.

If he resigned he'd get credit and probably with his personality get a media gig. Then the party should produce an electable candidate whose seen as credible across the country.
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I really have no idea what sort of reception he'd get for that if he did, interesting premise!
 
SIR ERNIE

SIR ERNIE

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chiefdave said:
Whatever way you look at it you can't get around this being a disaster for May and good news for Labour, or at least Corbyn.

May called the election to get a stronger position, an increase in the Conservative majority. She has spectacularly failed at that which has to put her leadership under pressure.

Corbyn has really pulled it out of the bag here. All the polls and predictions when the election was called were a landslide and huge embarrassment for him. People talking about the lowest Labour vote ever and the end of the party. Where do they go from here? You have to think the sensible option is to unite behind him and build on this. The younger (and in this instance younger is equating to 40 and under) came out in numbers not normally seen as for once they had someone they felt would represent them. Can they build on that and get even more of that group out and voting next time?

Overall though we're now in a mess. The Conservatives gambled on a referendum thinking they knew what the result would be and lost and they've gambled again on this election expecting a landslide which hasn't appeared. This is exactly why we changed to fixed term parliaments, election should never have been called. There's bound to be another election called before the year is out and all the time the clock is ticking on brexit.
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All true. For once I agree with you. However I honestly believe there's more to this than meets the eye. May's campaign was so obviously hopelessly inept that it was just too bad to be true. Why else would you introduce daft guaranteed vote losers like fox hunting, nicking school meals and the dementia tax? I'm really unconvinced that they wanted a huge majority and just might have undercooked it too much.

To answer your question where do they go from here? Corbyn/McDonnell have said theyre ready to form a government. Let them go ahead with the weakened SNP/Greens and LibDems. Let them deliver the Brexit that they think the country voted for.

It'll be the end of the lot of them for a generation.
 
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