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Liquid Gold

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You see, there you go again, wrong as usual, you’re a teacher aren’t you? That’s concerning.

All Corbyn’s fault? No that’s not my view at all. In fact if you step back and consider what you posted it’s a pretty daft statement.

No, if anyone’s to blame for Corbyn’s surge in popularity, it’s undoubtedly May. Her disastrous campaign helped turn a no-hope Marxist into a cult figure.

PM Corbyn would be seriously bad news for the country in my opinion and I would definitely relocate my business to Ireland rather than be on the wrong side of his ‘everything for free’ economy.

The £1bn DUP deal is worth every penny.
For a man who say's he's a patriot and believes people should come together and make brexit a success because it's the democratic will of the people it's a bit of a cop out to say you'd take your business out of the country because of a democratic vote.
 

lifeskyblue

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G Adams doesn't like the deal with the DUP

...which must mean it's a great deal for the United Kingdom.

Gerry Adams has reservations but also says the money to end austerity in Northern Ireland is very welcome...so he is not 100% unhappy. In your eyes does his comments make it a less good deal or is Gerry Adams right?


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SkyblueBazza

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You see, there you go again, wrong as usual, you’re a teacher aren’t you? That’s concerning.

All Corbyn’s fault? No that’s not my view at all. In fact if you step back and consider what you posted it’s a pretty daft statement.

No, if anyone’s to blame for Corbyn’s surge in popularity, it’s undoubtedly May. Her disastrous campaign helped turn a no-hope Marxist into a cult figure.

PM Corbyn would be seriously bad news for the country in my opinion and I would definitely relocate my business to Ireland rather than be on the wrong side of his ‘everything for free’ economy.

The £1bn DUP deal is worth every penny.
D'you know...when I got to the word "opinion'" I thought...'bad news for the country in the opinion of petulant businessmen who perceive a threat (even if only short term) to profits...never complain about increased profits though. Reduced profits usually result in short term cost or corner cutting...& can easily end in disaster for PEOPLE at the sharp end. But the said businessmen only have a passing sympathy for them don't they?

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Ian1779

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You see, there you go again, wrong as usual, you’re a teacher aren’t you? That’s concerning.

All Corbyn’s fault? No that’s not my view at all. In fact if you step back and consider what you posted it’s a pretty daft statement.

No, if anyone’s to blame for Corbyn’s surge in popularity, it’s undoubtedly May. Her disastrous campaign helped turn a no-hope Marxist into a cult figure.

PM Corbyn would be seriously bad news for the country in my opinion and I would definitely relocate my business to Ireland rather than be on the wrong side of his ‘everything for free’ economy.

The £1bn DUP deal is worth every penny.

Your me, myself and I argument is the very reason why you look up to the Tories so fondly.

I'll continue to teach the kids that there is a better world out there... not the one the 'establishment' say they should be grateful to have.

I suggest if you really mean what you say then you should start looking... every day May clings on she is paving the way for a Labour win.
 
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Brylowes

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Bizarre that he wants to move his business to Ireland. Surely it would be a massive financial risk considering that the Euro and the EU are on the verge of collapse?
Unless he means NI, maybe he's following the clever money, either way if he means
What he says about relocating if Corbyn does seize power, if I were him I'd start to
Plan the move, because it is happening it's just the timescale that's in question.
Can I be the first to say Good Ridance:emoji_angry:
 

torchomatic

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If you're describing the £1bn DUP deal as 'cash for votes', how would you describe Comrade Corbyn's election bribe to students to wipe out their debts at a cost to the taxpayer of £30bn?

It was a costed manifesto pledge people in their millions voted for. The DUP deal isn't.
 

Captain Dart

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It was a costed manifesto pledge people in their millions voted for. The DUP deal isn't.
No way the Labour manifesto was fully costed with realistic assumptions, if you believe that you are an idiot.
 

clint van damme

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No way the Labour manifesto was fully costed with realistic assumptions, if you believe that you are an idiot.

there were certainly some holes and some leaps of faith, no denying. It still pissed all over the tory one in terms of it's costing and projections. If you don't believe that you are an idiot!
 

SIR ERNIE

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More or less the response I expected to my post and I do understand the reaction. However this is the real world, this is what businesses do. The days of businesses sitting tight and having to ride the storm of increased local taxation and reduced profits are largely over. Relocating to say Ireland where CT is currently 12.5% is a very simple operation and in the case of my business, extremely attractive compared to the 26% rate Corbyn has proposed. You’d all do exactly the same in my position.

I’m not trying to be clever but that’s the way it works. Mine is a small (£2m) but very profitable company and I know of two other similar size businesses who intend to do exactly the same thing when and I believe he probably will, Corbyn gets in. If small businesses are already thinking like that, imagine what the big ones are planning. The point is that you all rub your hands and think ‘great idea, let’s tax the businesses and share the wealth’ but in reality it doesn’t work like that. It’s been tried before and failed. Nice in theory but successful businesses up and leave and take the brightest talents with them. The disastrous brain drain of the 1970’s will be nothing by comparison because nowadays it’s so easy to relocate and operate remotely from anywhere in the world. This governments’ strategy of steadily reducing CT rates to its current 19% is I believe the correct one because it encourages business growth which contributes to a heathy economy from which everyone should benefit.

I apologise if I rubbed any of you up the wrong way, the relocating statement was not meant to sound arrogant, merely a matter of fact. I’m from wonderful working class parents and was brought up on council estates and extremely proud of my roots but I’ve worked hard to build my business and like everyone on here I’m sure, I want to do the best I can for my family. That’s all.

Gotta get some work done now.
 

clint van damme

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More or less the response I expected to my post and I do understand the reaction. However this is the real world, this is what businesses do. The days of businesses sitting tight and having to ride the storm of increased local taxation and reduced profits are largely over. Relocating to say Ireland where CT is currently 12.5% is a very simple operation and in the case of my business, extremely attractive compared to the 26% rate Corbyn has proposed. You’d all do exactly the same in my position.

I’m not trying to be clever but that’s the way it works. Mine is a small (£2m) but very profitable company and I know of two other similar size businesses who intend to do exactly the same thing when and I believe he probably will, Corbyn gets in. If small businesses are already thinking like that, imagine what the big ones are planning. The point is that you all rub your hands and think ‘great idea, let’s tax the businesses and share the wealth’ but in reality it doesn’t work like that. It’s been tried before and failed. Nice in theory but successful businesses up and leave and take the brightest talents with them. The disastrous brain drain of the 1970’s will be nothing by comparison because nowadays it’s so easy to relocate and operate remotely from anywhere in the world. This governments’ strategy of steadily reducing CT rates to its current 19% is I believe the correct one because it encourages business growth which contributes to a heathy economy from which everyone should benefit.

I apologise if I rubbed any of you up the wrong way, the relocating statement was not meant to sound arrogant, merely a matter of fact. I’m from wonderful working class parents and was brought up on council estates and extremely proud of my roots but I’ve worked hard to build my business and like everyone on here I’m sure, I want to do the best I can for my family. That’s all.

Gotta get some work done now.

but what I don't understand regarding the proposed hike in Corporation tax is that even at 26% there will be countries with higher who are still performing better than us economically.
 

chiefdave

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No way the Labour manifesto was fully costed with realistic assumptions, if you believe that you are an idiot.
One party fully costed with a buffer of several billion in the event of lower than expected tax receipts. Another party with no costings at all yet people happily believed the Conservatives would make good on their promises, despite them having failed to do so following the last two elections.
 

chiefdave

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but what I don't understand regarding the proposed hike in Corporation tax is that even at 26% there will be countries with higher who are still performing better than us economically.

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Would moving above Spain and South Korea really lead to an exodus of businesses. Oddly a number of those who claim it would also claim that the consequences of leaving the EU won't cause businesses to leave.

Corporation tax receipts have been falling as a % of GDP so the reality is an increase would just be an adjustment to many years of reductions. Its fallen from over 4% in the mid 80s to currently around 2.5% with projections that it will drop close to 2% should the Conservatives come good on their manifesto promises.
 

Captain Dart

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Corporation tax yield has increased.
 

dutchman

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Downing Street forced to signal ‘no change’ on public-sector pay freeze

Tensions between Theresa May and chancellor Philip Hammond intensified on Wednesday after Number 10 signalled the government was about to end the 1 per cent public-sector pay cap that was due to last until 2020. But Mr Hammond reacted furiously to the lunchtime briefing by Mrs May’s officials, which pre-empted his autumn Budget, and shortly before 4pm the prime minister’s spokesman was forced to claim policy had “not changed”.

From FT.com (unable to link directly)

Another omnishambles/U-turn
 

Sick Boy

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He was vehemently against having them for British citizens but is happy for Europeans to have them, isn't treating people differently based on the country of their birth almost the perfect definition of xenophobia.

Would this mean that British citizens would have to show passports to access healthcare? What if say, a bilingual French man was over and holiday and his English accent led hospital staff to believe he was born here?
 

Ian1779

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So the government block another amendment - this time on lifting the public sector pay cap for NHS and emergency services.

Who will be the first lackey on here to defend it?
 

Brylowes

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So the government block another amendment - this time on lifting the public sector pay cap for NHS and emergency services.

Who will be the first lackey on here to defend it?
I can't believe these lazy NHS staff think they deserve more than they already get,After all
you don't see the Queen complaining, and she's only getting an extra £6,000,000 a year.
Remember we're all in it together
 

Sick Boy

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I can't believe these lazy NHS staff think they deserve more than they already get,After all
you don't see the Queen complaining, and she's only getting an extra £6,000,000 a year.
Remember we're all in it together

I meant to mention that the other day, it's an utter farce and can't believe actually put up with it.
 

Brylowes

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I meant to mention that the other day, it's an utter farce and can't believe actually put up with it.
Like when austerity was starting to kick in, no money for anyone, we know it hurts,
It's tough love, hard but necessary, we're all in it together, Hmm I wonder if anyone
Will notice if I give the Country's highest earners a 5% tax cut.:banghead:
 

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