Turnbull wanted by four clubs (1 Viewer)

Grendel · Jul 9, 2017

shmmeee said:
Hasn't he looked like that pretty much every game bar Wembley?

He's the last player we want next season - no team ethos and spirit. Arrogant, lazy and self interested.

Ron Macintosh · Jul 9, 2017

Turnbull looked good towards the end of last season, presumably because he was playing to impress potential suitors.

In fairness that mug Mowbray didn't help him out towards the start of last season.

fernandopartridge · Jul 9, 2017

Adge said:
Nathan Clarke could have done that job.

He was hopeless

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fatso · Jul 9, 2017

The only defenders we had last season that are worth keeping were stokes and DKE, I'd get rid of all the others, inc Willis.
It looks like MR has come to a similar conclusion. I'd expect all 3 of the new defenders to be in the starting line up for the first game.

Ron Macintosh · Jul 9, 2017

fatso said:
The only defenders we had last season that are worth keeping were stokes and DKE, I'd get rid of all the others, inc Willis.
It looks like MR has come to a similar conclusion. I'd expect all 3 of the new defenders to be in the starting line up for the first game.

Why would you get rid of Willis? I'm not his biggest fan but in l2 we're not going to be getting anyone any better as a replacement.

fatso · Jul 9, 2017

So you'd stick with a player than your not a fan of, because you fear there's no one better that would come here? Where on earth is the logic in that? If that was the case why would MR be looking to bring in 12 players, Why not just stick with last seasons failures,
Willis has all the physical qualities to be a centre half, (big, strong, quick) but let's be honest, he's hopeless in the air, consistently fails to mark his man, is a poor leader on the field, can't pass and lacks concentration.
I'd trust MR to bring in someone better, or I'd rather see stokes in the middle.

Ron Macintosh · Jul 9, 2017

fatso said:
So you'd stick with a player than your not a fan of, because you fear there's no one better that would come here? Where on earth is the logic in that? If that was the case why would MR be looking to bring in 12 players, Why not just stick with last seasons failures,
Willis has all the physical qualities to be a centre half, (big, strong, quick) but let's be honest, he's hopeless in the air, consistently fails to mark his man, is a poor leader on the field, can't pass and lacks concentration.
I'd trust MR to bring in someone better, or I'd rather see stokes in the middle.

Willis is a better player than anyone we released last season, that's why I'd keep him. He will be one of the best CB's in League 2. And from what I've seen, Willis is fantastic in the air.

Sky Blue Harry H · Jul 9, 2017

Ron Macintosh said:
Willis is a better player than anyone we released last season, that's why I'd keep him. He will be one of the best CB's in League 2. And from what I've seen, Willis is fantastic in the air.

I don't mind Willis. He's still young for a Centre Back; however, I think it's probably stretching it to say he's fantastic in the air. For one thing he's not all that tall for a CB, so a big lump of a Centre forward will tend to get the better of him in the air. His physique is hardly a 'Reda'.

fatso · Jul 9, 2017

Here's a thought, How many free headers in the box did we concede last season? At times it looked like every cross, and every set piece delivery into our box was resulting in a free header on goal. We have lacked a commanding centre half since reda Johnson, and turner left.
It looks like MR agrees since his priorities appeared to be 2 new centre halfs and a keeper. I may be wrong (we'll wait and see) but I can only see Willis competing for a place on the bench.

Ron Macintosh · Jul 9, 2017

Sky Blue Harry H said:
I don't mind Willis. He's still young for a Centre Back; however, I think it's probably stretching it to say he's fantastic in the air. For one thing he's not all that tall for a CB, so a big lump of a Centre forward will tend to get the better of him in the air. His physique is hardly a 'Reda'.

He's got a good spring. Maybe fantastic is OTT, but he's definitely comptent.

Skybluefaz · Jul 9, 2017

fatso said:
Here's a thought, How many free headers in the box did we concede last season? At times it looked like every cross, and every set piece delivery into our box was resulting in a free header on goal. We have lacked a commanding centre half since reda Johnson, and turner left.
It looks like MR agrees since his priorities appeared to be 2 new centre halfs and a keeper. I may be wrong (we'll wait and see) but I can only see Willis competing for a place on the bench.

That's true, the combination of Burge and no commanding cb was lethal for all the wrong reasons

shmmeee · Jul 9, 2017

If we could get a L2 Reda or Turner, big man mountain of a fucker, that would be perfect.

Adge · Jul 9, 2017

Ron Macintosh said:
Willis is a better player than anyone we released last season, that's why I'd keep him. He will be one of the best CB's in League 2. And from what I've seen, Willis is fantastic in the air.

We don't have our hopes set too high if we are lauding the likes of Willis. The guy is a loser and by that I mean is mentally week and has a losing mentality. Same with Haynes. They should have been out of the door as soon as the season ended to get rid of the cancer that is ingrained in them. They have never known any different here apart from losing which is why a parting of the waves would have been best for all parties. These players will not take you forward as a club which is what I have been saying for years and is one of the reasons we are in L2.

Grendel · Jul 9, 2017

Willis is better than Haynes but still a league one plodder at best.

When Dongle said he was worth a million that was up there with the best of the Dongleballs.

SlowerThanPlatt · Jul 9, 2017

Was that you on Twitter last night hoping Haynes is injured for the rest of the season Adge?

fernandopartridge · Jul 9, 2017

Adge said:
We don't have our hopes set too high if we are lauding the likes of Willis. The guy is a loser and by that I mean is mentally week and has a losing mentality. Same with Haynes. They should have been out of the door as soon as the season ended to get rid of the cancer that is ingrained in them. They have never known any different here apart from losing which is why a parting of the waves would have been best for all parties. These players will not take you forward as a club which is what I have been saying for years and is one of the reasons we are in L2.

They're losers yet both part of the only CCFC squad to win anything for 30 years

Adge · Jul 9, 2017

SlowerThanPlatt said:
Was that you on Twitter last night hoping Haynes is injured for the rest of the season Adge?

Yes-it was an off the cuff remark that has been taken the wrong way by Ryan and a few others. I don't rate him as a player but dont want him out for the rest of the season-it's his job after all.

NortonSkyBlue · Jul 9, 2017

Adge said:
Yes-it was an off the cuff remark that has been taken the wrong way by Ryan and a few others. I don't rate him as a player but dont want him out for the rest of the season-it's his job after all.

Is there a right way to take that remark?
By your estimation there is no player that should be retained as they are all losers and have a losing mentality.

Ron Macintosh · Jul 9, 2017

Adge said:
We don't have our hopes set too high if we are lauding the likes of Willis. The guy is a loser and by that I mean is mentally week and has a losing mentality. Same with Haynes. They should have been out of the door as soon as the season ended to get rid of the cancer that is ingrained in them. They have never known any different here apart from losing which is why a parting of the waves would have been best for all parties. These players will not take you forward as a club which is what I have been saying for years and is one of the reasons we are in L2.

Aye, Defoe would have been no good for Sunderland in the champ then.

hill83 · Jul 9, 2017

Adge said:
Yes-it was an off the cuff remark that has been taken the wrong way by Ryan and a few others. I don't rate him as a player but dont want him out for the rest of the season-it's his job after all.

Been found out for the arsehole you are though. So every cloud.

Dickhead.

fatso · Jul 9, 2017

Adge said:
We don't have our hopes set too high if we are lauding the likes of Willis. The guy is a loser and by that I mean is mentally week and has a losing mentality. Same with Haynes. They should have been out of the door as soon as the season ended to get rid of the cancer that is ingrained in them. They have never known any different here apart from losing which is why a parting of the waves would have been best for all parties. These players will not take you forward as a club which is what I have been saying for years and is one of the reasons we are in L2.

I agre with what Adge says, we have to change the whole ethos of the club,
For donkeys years we have been a club that has been too comfortable for players to play for. We have accepted mediocrity, and now that has become the norm. It's high time we started to challenge our own players to become winners,
I can accept loosing, but there is a right and a wrong way to loose, and I feel that we no longer see enough passion or commitment from many of our previous squads.
Turnbull, Willis, Haynes and Reid (to name but three) are typical of players who have the ability (look at their Wembley performance) but constantly fail to deliver the same levels when it comes the bread and butter of league games.
If we are to progress as a club MR needs to purge the system of people who can't be relied on to produce at least an 8/10 performance on every occasion,
Regardless of who they are or how much they cost.
A player like DKE lacks height, strength and experience, but has the passion and fight to ensure he can put a shift in every time he wears the shirt. If Willis had half the heart of DKE he'd be a premier league player, which I think sums him up perfectly.

Esoterica · Jul 9, 2017

fatso said:
I agre with what Adge says, we have to change the whole ethos of the club,
For donkeys years we have been a club that has been too comfortable for players to play for. We have accepted mediocrity, and now that has become the norm. It's high time we started to challenge our own players to become winners,
I can accept loosing, but there is a right and a wrong way to loose, and I feel that we no longer see enough passion or commitment from many of our previous squads.
Turnbull, Willis, Haynes and Reid (to name but three) are typical of players who have the ability (look at their Wembley performance) but constantly fail to deliver the same levels when it comes the bread and butter of league games.
If we are to progress as a club MR needs to purge the system of people who can't be relied on to produce at least an 8/10 performance on every occasion,
Regardless of who they are or how much they cost.
A player like DKE lacks height, strength and experience, but has the passion and fight to ensure he can put a shift in every time he wears the shirt. If Willis had half the heart of DKE he'd be a premier league player, which I think sums him up perfectly.

While I agree with the general concept too (and you express it gracefully in comparison to Adge's churlishness) we have a manager who is managing us as a proper football club now. For that reason I'd be happy for him to try and bring that consistency to Turnbull, Willis, Haynes who are all still 22 or under, especially in a situation where we look like we will have a squad deep enough to rotate them out if needed. Last year was a clusterfuck and although I acknowledge the players contributed to a large part of it, we were rudderless for 75% of the season. Based on the above I'd be happy for them to be given one last throw of the dice in this division.

fatso · Jul 9, 2017

I hear what you say, and if there's no buyers, then they will have the right to compete for a place the same as everyone else. If they get a start then I'll support them and hope the manager gets more out of them than we've seen before. And I feel it's time the fans start to demand more from all the squad,
After all, if they can't produce the goods in league 2, were truly doomed!

Adge · Jul 9, 2017

hill83 said:
Been found out for the arsehole you are though. So every cloud.

Dickhead.

Ha ha! Quality!

covcity4life · Jul 10, 2017

Adge said:
Yes-it was an off the cuff remark that has been taken the wrong way by Ryan and a few others. I don't rate him as a player but dont want him out for the rest of the season-it's his job after all.

even i was taken back by that twitter comment

so it must have been bad

bawtryneal · Jul 10, 2017

fatso said:
I agre with what Adge says, we have to change the whole ethos of the club,
For donkeys years we have been a club that has been too comfortable for players to play for. We have accepted mediocrity, and now that has become the norm. It's high time we started to challenge our own players to become winners,
I can accept loosing, but there is a right and a wrong way to loose, and I feel that we no longer see enough passion or commitment from many of our previous squads.
Turnbull, Willis, Haynes and Reid (to name but three) are typical of players who have the ability (look at their Wembley performance) but constantly fail to deliver the same levels when it comes the bread and butter of league games.
If we are to progress as a club MR needs to purge the system of people who can't be relied on to produce at least an 8/10 performance on every occasion,
Regardless of who they are or how much they cost.
A player like DKE lacks height, strength and experience, but has the passion and fight to ensure he can put a shift in every time he wears the shirt. If Willis had half the heart of DKE he'd be a premier league player, which I think sums him up perfectly.

Isn`t that what Robins and Widdrington have been spending the whole summer attempting to accomplish.
Very easy sitting behind a key board tapping away but when you have contracts to honour, agents to appease, competitors for the same players and a tight budget, not as easy as it seems.

Adge · Jul 10, 2017

bawtryneal said:
Isn`t that what Robins and Widdrington have been spending the whole summer attempting to accomplish.
Very easy sitting behind a key board tapping away but when you have contracts to honour, agents to appease, competitors for the same players and a tight budget, not as easy as it seems.

That's a fair comment-Robins didn't have to offer new contracts to Burge,Haynes,Bigi etc though.

Esoterica · Jul 10, 2017

Adge said:
That's a fair comment-Robins didn't have to offer new contracts to Burge,Haynes,Bigi etc though.

No, but it would be mental to expect Robins to be able to achieve what you're suggesting in 1 transfer window. It increases the needed recruitment from circa 12 players to 16+. It's a huge amount of recruitment in just a few weeks, especially if he's recruiting mentally strong winners with the ability to get us out of League 2. Better to do exactly as he has done - get 9 or 10 in before pre season starts and take a risk/back his own man management skills to get the best out of the younger players who have shown weaknesses but still have time to improve.

Liquid Gold · Jul 10, 2017

Esoterica said:
No, but it would be mental to expect Robins to be able to achieve what you're suggesting in 1 transfer window. It increases the needed recruitment from circa 12 players to 16+. It's a huge amount of recruitment in just a few weeks, especially if he's recruiting mentally strong winners with the ability to get us out of League 2. Better to do exactly as he has done - get 9 or 10 in before pre season starts and take a risk/back his own man management skills to get the best out of the younger players who have shown weaknesses but still have time to improve.

That sounds far too sensible. Lets just hope our academy prospects break their legs or something.

Adge · Jul 10, 2017

Liquid Gold said:
That sounds far too sensible. Lets just hope our academy prospects break their legs or something.

And there we go again-prospects "who may improve". Lets give them the next 15 years to see if they do. Might aswell as we've given them 4 already and gone backwards.:banghead:

smileycov · Jul 10, 2017

Adge said:
And there we go again-prospects "who may improve". Lets give them the next 15 years to see if they do. Might aswell as we've given them 4 already and gone backwards.:banghead:

Sarcasm not your strong point then!!

Speedies_Chips · Jul 10, 2017

fatso said:
I agre with what Adge says, we have to change the whole ethos of the club,
For donkeys years we have been a club that has been too comfortable for players to play for. We have accepted mediocrity, and now that has become the norm. It's high time we started to challenge our own players to become winners,
I can accept loosing, but there is a right and a wrong way to loose, and I feel that we no longer see enough passion or commitment from many of our previous squads.
Turnbull, Willis, Haynes and Reid (to name but three) are typical of players who have the ability (look at their Wembley performance) but constantly fail to deliver the same levels when it comes the bread and butter of league games.
If we are to progress as a club MR needs to purge the system of people who can't be relied on to produce at least an 8/10 performance on every occasion,
Regardless of who they are or how much they cost.
A player like DKE lacks height, strength and experience, but has the passion and fight to ensure he can put a shift in every time he wears the shirt. If Willis had half the heart of DKE he'd be a premier league player, which I think sums him up perfectly.

Can't take anyone who doesn't know the difference between lose and loose seriously.

fatso · Jul 11, 2017

Speedies_Chips said:
Can't take anyone who doesn't know the difference between lose and loose seriously.

Is that all you've got to add, I pity useless cunts like you who have fuck all to do in life than troll the net posting your sad little sarcastic comments, your pathetic.

Nick · Jul 11, 2017

fatso said:
Is that all you've got to add, I pity useless cunts like you who have fuck all to do in life than troll the net posting your sad little sarcastic comments, your pathetic.

you're.

skybluesam66 · Jul 11, 2017

fatso said:
Is that all you've got to add, I pity useless cunts like you who have fuck all to do in life than troll the net posting your sad little sarcastic comments, your pathetic.

Technically you're pathetic!

- beat me to it

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