Did Sisu appeal? (1 Viewer)

If there are good relations between Wasps/ACL and CCFC why not carry on and negotiate and see if you can reach an agreement let it be known that this has been done in principal release no details except to from Wasps side making a proviso it needing dropping of legal action but putting a time limit on it for the fans sake or would that be seen as CCFC stepping out of line and big SISU saying don't you dare talk to them.

no_loyalty said:

I'm pretty sure Gilbert stated the other week that this is there last chance, but I could be wrong?

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Who would be surprised if they managed to make ot last another couple of years or so?

SISU are experts at dragging out court cases that have no merit. Gilbert is a reporter for the CET who gets half of his stories from on here.

Astute said:

Gilbert is a reporter for the CET who gets half of his stories from on here.

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Very true, his headline "Last Chance Saloon" before the last court case was very misleading, so who knows?

no_loyalty said:

Very true, his headline "Last Chance Saloon" before the last court case was very misleading, so who knows?

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We certainly don't.

I didn't know much about JR's before SISU started using them. So I'm not going to guess that there isn't another way of wasting time and money.

Astute said:

Gilbert is a reporter for the CET who gets half of his stories from on here.

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I especially liked his "SISU lost JR1 on purpose" story

IrishSkyBlue said:

supposedly TM wasnt happy he was left out so dipped into the rainy day fund to cement his and joys legacy at ccfc, they got a local artist on the cheap half a ST included in the bargain:

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Ahh, I remember that band! The Blow Monkeys!

At the minute Cov rugby injunction with CCC and Wasps are arranging a banquet, rolling out the red carpet and hiring an events manager in anticipation of Joy riding into Cov on a white horse naked with nothing but strands of her remaining hair from that balding head to cover her vinegar tits. Savior of the club, and is now saving the Coventry people from being affected by any court case that she is pushing. Even though our city name, people and our club are being used to do this, its ok, she says none of us will not or never be affected by her decisions or her actions, well that's unless she wins and then its bollocks to everyone she want her money and fat out of the city, club and its people.

Cov rugby, Wasps and the CCC are about done with all this i would imagine and its got to the point where they will turn away Sisu and allow the FL to use this as the excuse to let the club exist in another city with the blessing of them. If they only had a set of nuts to say to Joy, no deal at Ricoh the golden share is a gift we will take back, as you are no longer fit to run one of our member clubs.

skybluetony176 said:

I especially liked his "SISU lost JR1 on purpose" story

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So Grendel is Gilbert?

Nah. You can have a laugh with Gilbert.

"did sisu appeal"

reminds me of the office "does he drink ?"

"he drinks"

SkyBlueZack said:

So why have they not announced a naming rights deal then? Why does it seem that any deal hinges on CCFC's commitment to the arena?

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Where is it stated that any naming rights deal hinges on CCFC's commitment to the Arena?
Who is this deal with?
Where is this information?

SkyBlueZack said:

If CCFC are as big an irrelevance as people like you and Italia say, please tell us all why Wasps haven't managed to secure a deal for naming rights. Despite finishing top of their league. Despite the big name signings.

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Maybe they are asking for too much?
I hardly think it's because a team in division 4 that attracts crowds of 8k a week that are sponsored by Allsop and Allsop.

If we are such a big attraction to potential sponsorship of a stadium. Why can't we get a big name for our kits?

never understand the talk about needing us for naming rights. We are a league two club, one more drop and its non league. They would get more exposure with a couple of huge concerts.

ccfcway said:

never understand the talk about needing us for naming rights. We are a league two club, one more drop and its non league. They would get more exposure with a couple of huge concerts.

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Football is a lot bigger than rugger. And we may be low down at the moment but something like a 10 year deal with us having the potential to go higher. We have the biggest potential in Division 4. We shouldn't be there too long.....

Astute said:

Football is a lot bigger than rugger. And we may be low down at the moment but something like a 10 year deal with us having the potential to go higher. We have the biggest potential in Division 4. We shouldn't be there too long.....

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Let's hope that this time we emerge from the right end of the table.

Interesting use of the word 'further' in the closing line, but is then instantly shut down with what follows. So which is it? No funds from CCFC have covered legal costs, or no further funds from CCFC to cover legal costs?;

"We can also confirm that Coventry City Football Club is not liable for any further court costs, nor have we paid any costs associated with previous court actions taken by the club owner."

sw88 said:

Interesting use of the word 'further' in the closing line, but is then instantly shut down with what follows. So which is it? No funds from CCFC have covered legal costs, or no further funds from CCFC to cover legal costs?;

"We can also confirm that Coventry City Football Club is not liable for any further court costs, nor have we paid any costs associated with previous court actions taken by the club owner."

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This sounds like a true statement but it can be read in different ways. For example:
Previous court actions did not involve the football club as they were not listed in the case, so there is no liability.
In the current court action the football club is listed and is liable for costs which have been handed down from the judge, which it looks as though this statement knowledges since it states "further costs" so implying that there have been costs.
Also the football club is not liable for any further court costs at this time, we will see in the future as the football club is listed on the court documents so it will have a liability.

It all depends on how you wish to interpret the statement.

Nick said:

Wasps knew...

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Wasps knew?
Fuckin hell even Sisu don't know they just throw it together as they go along.
A bit like Darren Huckerby he never knew where he was going with the ball what chance did the defenders have.
Only difference is he was quite successful at it.
PUSB

Otis said:

I just don't get it.

Surely the more money they throw at legal challenges the less likely Joy's statue will ever be built.

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Maybe she could get it made on the cheap from straw and horseshit..

letsallsingtogether said:

Maybe she could get it made on the cheap from straw and horseshit..

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I'll donate but it won't be horse shit!!!!!

Captain Dart said:

There are plenty more ways to throw good money after bad.

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If only they'd throw it in the right direction in the right way!

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Houdi said:

Exactly, now put yourselves in Wasp's shoes are you really wanting to do a new deal with SISU. Would you really want SISU as your tenants for years to come, with the constant worry/threat of further legal actions. The real worry is that SISU don't even seem that bothered that the club will be effectively homeless in a matter of months.

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It's probably either just that...undue pressure to delay a deal so Wasps accept a much worse deal - which is a much better one for the club/owners...or there is some perverse financial gain somewhere else that we cannot see.
Whatever it is...the reason will be purely financially based

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Nick said:

If that gets thrown it, can they try anything else or is that it?

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I really do hope that's it and they throw in the towel, leave the club alone and bugger off back to London. I'm so bloody sick of these idiots and their apologies when we're relegated for the umpteenth time. If they continue this tactic or indeed stick around it's deeply unlikely that we'll be able to stay at the Ricoh.

Joy you might get a thrill from going to court and losing but for the rest of us it's not much fun. I realise that you know nothing about football and our club is just the means to an end for you. For the rest of us we're proud supporters of our historic football club which thanks to you doesn't have a pot to piss in and are playing in the fourth division of English football. The Southampton fan I know is so bloody grateful that you choose us and not them it makes me sick. Please don't take this the wrong way but Sod Off and take Tim with you.

SkyBlueZack said:

They seem quite open to it. Wasps 'willing to talk' with Coventry City about Ricoh Arena deal

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Why wouldn't they be open to it, we might be dragging them to court ' but it's only in a case they can't
Lose bought by a party with no plan, the same as the way they run the club with no plan.
They are rapidly running out of options and the only purpose of continued court proceedings seem to
Be to just keep them at the table.

At some point you will have to accept that the people who own CCFC are the real bad guys in this never
Ending "shitfest" The tone of your posting suggests you are beginning to come to this realisation.
I can almost see your straws disappearing over the horizon, as you desperately try to grasp them.

sw88 said:

Interesting use of the word 'further' in the closing line, but is then instantly shut down with what follows. So which is it? No funds from CCFC have covered legal costs, or no further funds from CCFC to cover legal costs?;

"We can also confirm that Coventry City Football Club is not liable for any further court costs, nor have we paid any costs associated with previous court actions taken by the club owner."

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That just reads like any costs in the future doesn't it?

Brylowes said:

Why wouldn't they be open to it, we might be dragging them to court ' but it's only in a case they can't
Lose bought by a party with no plan, the same as the way they run the club with no plan.
They are rapidly running out of options and the only purpose of continued court proceedings seem to
Be to just keep them at the table.

At some point you will have to accept that the people who own CCFC are the real bad guys in this never
Ending "shitfest" The tone of your posting suggests you are beginning to come to this realisation.
I can almost see your straws disappearing over the horizon, as you desperately try to grasp them.

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I have never said they wouldn't be open to it. As I said at the start, money talks. Others have said why would you work with a company suing you, I have just disagreed with that opinion. As I am entitled to.

Oh, I find your tone patronising and condescending, so take your face for a shit.

dongonzalos said:

Where is it stated that any naming rights deal hinges on CCFC's commitment to the Arena?
Who is this deal with?
Where is this information?



Maybe they are asking for too much?
I hardly think it's because a team in division 4 that attracts crowds of 8k a week that are sponsored by Allsop and Allsop.

If we are such a big attraction to potential sponsorship of a stadium. Why can't we get a big name for our kits?

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Coventry's Ricoh Arena could get new name as Wasps hold sponsorship talks

8th May 2015. Talking to a number of parties. Fast forward over two years, still no deal. As mentioned previously, they finished top of the league and had some of the worlds best players, Beale and La Roux. Yet still no deal, to be fair they have attracted most things but a stadium sponsor. I would suggest it's naive to think it has nothing to do with CCFC being unwilling to commit long term.

SkyBlueZack said:

Coventry's Ricoh Arena could get new name as Wasps hold sponsorship talks

8th May 2015. Talking to a number of parties. Fast forward over two years, still no deal. As mentioned previously, they finished top of the league and had some of the worlds best players, Beale and La Roux. Yet still no deal, to be fair they have attracted most things but a stadium sponsor. I would suggest it's naive to think it has nothing to do with CCFC being unwilling to commit long term.

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So it isn't stated anywhere that not signing CCFC up on a long term deal is the reason they haven't signed a deal with a stadium sponser yet, it is purely your opinion.

I would agree with you if we were a well run club with ambitious owners.
However we play in division 4. Our owners do not want to invest any money in the club. So if we are lucky we will get to play in division 3.
Our marketing pull is tiny hence why we can only get local solicitors to sponser us.
Why if we are such a marketing pull for the do we not have a bigger name wanting to sponser us?
Your logic would make total sense if we were in the championship and competing at that level. However we are not and our owners don't to invest in order to get us there.

dongonzalos said:

So it isn't stated anywhere that not signing CCFC up on a long term deal is the reason they haven't signed a deal with a stadium sponser yet, it is purely your opinion.

I would agree with you if we were a well run club with ambitious owners.
However we play in division 4. Our owners do not want to invest any money in the club. So if we are lucky we will get to play in division 3.
Our marketing pull is tiny hence why we can only get local solicitors to sponser us.
Why if we are such a marketing pull for the do we not have a bigger name wanting to sponser us?
Your logic would make total sense if we were in the championship and competing at that level. However we are not and our owners don't to invest in order to get us there.

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Alsop are an estate agency not solicitors. They also operate in the middle east I believe. So do you agree if we were well run or in the championship? Reason I ask is that being well run doesn't necessarily mean you'll be promoted. The same as throwing money at it doesn't guarantee promotion. I'm basing my opinion on the fact football is bigger, I would also argue that CCFC is a bigger name than Wasps, despite our current league. Basing it on Wasps attracting Ericsson for the hall, on having concerts, tennis and snooker. Yet after two years not finding a sponsor for the stadium.

You disagree with my opinion and reasoning behind it, which is fine. What do you believe is the reason Wasps have yet to secure naming rights?

SkyBlueZack said:

I have never said they wouldn't be open to it. As I said at the start, money talks. Others have said why would you work with a company suing you, I have just disagreed with that opinion. As I am entitled to.

Oh, I find your tone patronising and condescending, so take your face for a shit.

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Would you be keen to give a long term contract to someone who takes everyone to court that has dealings with them? Would you be happy to have a tenant that is trying to make you pay a massive amount to pay for the property they want to rent off you that has already been paid for?

No. You would at least want the fruitless legal action to stop. Any rent we pay would soon go. They have to keep renewing the pitch. They won't get the full legal costs back. Their time gets wasted. It is as though SISU are trying to put up barriers to stop a deal being made. Is it part of a plan to take us out of Coventry again?

SkyBlueZack said:

Coventry's Ricoh Arena could get new name as Wasps hold sponsorship talks

8th May 2015. Talking to a number of parties. Fast forward over two years, still no deal. As mentioned previously, they finished top of the league and had some of the worlds best players, Beale and La Roux. Yet still no deal, to be fair they have attracted most things but a stadium sponsor. I would suggest it's naive to think it has nothing to do with CCFC being unwilling to commit long term.

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I would suggest it is naive to suggest it is all to do with us not having a long term contract.

SkyBlueZack said:

You disagree with my opinion and reasoning behind it, which is fine. What do you believe is the reason Wasps have yet to secure naming rights?

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What do you think?

SkyBlueZack said:

You disagree with my opinion and reasoning behind it, which is fine. What do you believe is the reason Wasps have yet to secure naming rights?

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Why does it have to be just one reason?

The more positives that there are the easier it would be to get a deal. The more negatives there are the harder it is to get a deal.

Positives.

Two sporting teams play there. So double exposure.

One of the teams are at or near the top of their game.

One side has large attendances.

It holds other events like concerts.

It is in a prominent position.



Negatives.

Embroiled in court action.

One of the teams doesn't get much exposure as it is in the lower reaches of it's game.

One side has low attendances.

One side shouldn't even be playing there as they belong elsewhere.

Local people could go against them as they could see them backing an alien team.

The main team....not us......might not even be secure.

And yes....the football team don't have a long agreement to play there. And even if they did it gives no guarantee as they had one before and still moved away.

All companies looking to sponsor a stadium wouldn't be put off by the same one thing. A Division 4 football club not having a long term contract. The most probable problem to me is nobody meeting the valuation Wasps expect and need.

Captain Dart said:

What do you think?

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I have given my opinion over the thread, read it back.

Astute said:

Why does it have to be just one reason?

The more positives that there are the easier it would be to get a deal. The more negatives there are the harder it is to get a deal.

Positives.

Two sporting teams play there. So double exposure.

One of the teams are at or near the top of their game.

One side has large attendances.

It holds other events like concerts.

It is in a prominent position.



Negatives.

Embroiled in court action.

One of the teams doesn't get much exposure as it is in the lower reaches of it's game.

One side has low attendances.

One side shouldn't even be playing there as they belong elsewhere.

Local people could go against them as they could see them backing an alien team.

The main team....not us......might not even be secure.

And yes....the football team don't have a long agreement to play there. And even if they did it gives no guarantee as they had one before and still moved away.

All companies looking to sponsor a stadium wouldn't be put off by the same one thing. A Division 4 football club not having a long term contract. The most probable problem to me is nobody meeting the valuation Wasps expect and need.

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Renaming a stadium is generally less valuable than the first deal, by now punters have the original name in their head. It would also cost a significant amount to change all the signs and remove the huge sign on the roof. Not to mention updating the many online resources that use the old name. Signing a deal is only a start, then the work begins.

Captain Dart said:

It would also cost a significant amount to change all the signs and remove the huge sign on the roof.

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Which Wasps admitted was why Ricoh were still sponsors. They'd paid a token amount to extend as Wasps couldn't afford to take all the signage down with no new sponsor to replace them.

Where is Italia? He said it was imminent about 3 years ago.