Did Sisu appeal? (1 Viewer)

Captain Dart said:

Renaming a stadium is generally less valuable than the first deal, by now punters have the original name in their head. It would also cost a significant amount to change all the signs and remove the huge sign on the roof. Not to mention updating the many online resources that use the old name. Signing a deal is only a start, then the work begins.

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SkyBlueZack said:

Coventry's Ricoh Arena could get new name as Wasps hold sponsorship talks

8th May 2015. Talking to a number of parties. Fast forward over two years, still no deal. As mentioned previously, they finished top of the league and had some of the worlds best players, Beale and La Roux. Yet still no deal, to be fair they have attracted most things but a stadium sponsor. I would suggest it's naive to think it has nothing to do with CCFC being unwilling to commit long term.

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SkyBlueZack said:

I have never said they wouldn't be open to it. As I said at the start, money talks. Others have said why would you work with a company suing you, I have just disagreed with that opinion. As I am entitled to.

Oh, I find your tone patronising and condescending, so take your face for a shit.

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SkyBlueZack said:

Alsop are an estate agency not solicitors. They also operate in the middle east I believe. So do you agree if we were well run or in the championship? Reason I ask is that being well run doesn't necessarily mean you'll be promoted. The same as throwing money at it doesn't guarantee promotion. I'm basing my opinion on the fact football is bigger, I would also argue that CCFC is a bigger name than Wasps, despite our current league. Basing it on Wasps attracting Ericsson for the hall, on having concerts, tennis and snooker. Yet after two years not finding a sponsor for the stadium.

You disagree with my opinion and reasoning behind it, which is fine. What do you believe is the reason Wasps have yet to secure naming rights?

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Astute said:

Would you be keen to give a long term contract to someone who takes everyone to court that has dealings with them? Would you be happy to have a tenant that is trying to make you pay a massive amount to pay for the property they want to rent off you that has already been paid for?

No. You would at least want the fruitless legal action to stop. Any rent we pay would soon go. They have to keep renewing the pitch. They won't get the full legal costs back. Their time gets wasted. It is as though SISU are trying to put up barriers to stop a deal being made. Is it part of a plan to take us out of Coventry again?

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Houdi said:

Agree,some people seem more concerned about Wasps agreeing a new stadium sponsor, than the real worry,which is where are we going to be playing in 12 months time. Who in their right mind would want SISU as long term tenants.
We are constantly being told that ever fans desperately want SISU gone, so you can hardly blame Wasps if they think the same way. We have limited options where we can go, none of them make any long term commercial sense, and the clock is ticking.
The season starts in a matter of days,and before you know it Christmas will be here. How long before even the FL start getting concerned. Wasps will be perfectly aware of their past bluster about building/moving to a new ground.Their bluff has already been called on that threat. They are playing a high risk game of poker,with a very poor hand, and the trouble is everybody knows it.

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dongonzalos said:

Football is definitely bigger than rugby no question.
4th division football is not bigger than Wasps. Which is why Wasps have sponsorship deals with Land Rover, EMC, DS Smith, Lear Corp
Global companies employing 10's of thousands to 100's of thousands of people.
We have Allsop, no disrespect that have done brilliantly for themselves but they are no Land Rover.
You must realise the difference between the two clubs when you see that alone.

We are purely potential, unfortunately. I see running a club well as making good decisions that are for the best of the football club. Decisions that are made on behalf of this club currently are made on what is the best for SISU. Not CCFC. CCFC comes 4th in the decision making process behind SISU and a couple of its related companies.

It is not all about throwing money at it, however you do need some investment and it needs to be used wisely.

I believe Wasps want too much for it. I don't think they offer the marketing pull we offered when Ricoh were signed up.
I think Wasps need a similar if not better deal than the one Ricoh signed up to before. I don't think they will get that as it stands at the moment.
However signing us up to a 10 year rental won't change that either.
I think the way the Ricoh has been over the last 7-8 years puts people off paying that premium.
However I have a horrible feeling if Wasps get rid of SISU once and for all and continue their own on field success. Plus if they make a success of the concerts through next year.
I think they will get their deal.

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Astute said:

Removing signs when putting new ones up isn't a major expense. Just removing them is. It can be put in any new contract that a new sponsor pays. Then they get to choose the quality and style from start to finish.

If I had a spare 10m I would sponsor it. I would call it Coventry City Football Club Has Been Robbed Arena.

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Kingokings204 said:

Exactly right. The bluff hand has already been called. Sisu are in big big trouble and the worry to me is they simple don't care that they are. Ccfc will go down the pan and they won't give a fuck.

Couldn't agree more before you know it it's Christmas and and we are languishing bottom half of the table and things looks very bleak very quickly.

This time last year mowbray was getting ready for a go at a playoff season after finishing 8th and having Armstrong and Murphy. All seems a life time ago now.

I do think we will agree a one or two year extension but it just doesn't help anyone. End of the day if wasps tell us to go away and no deal even if we paid 5m a year then no club will take us like before and dodgy Northampton cordoza. It's a last minute butts job or football league licence revoked providing we are in league 2 still that is.i don't even know if butts in league standard. Doubt it.

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Grendel said:

Land rovers sponsorship of wasps is nothing to do with their size - it's a spin off of the general sponsorship of the sport.

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Houdi said:

Have been to see Cov Rugby many times over the past 3 years, and whilst ok for league 1 Rugby,it would be completely unsuited for a FL team. There are just 2 turnstiles,which are a throwback to the 1960's, totally unsuitable for a football club. There is no segregation in the ground, and to access the only stand you have to virtually walk on the pitch. The capacity is only about 3-4,000, and it would require a considerable outlay to realistically allow a FL team to play there.
We would be moving from 1 Rugby owned stadium to another,and whilst I'm not that bothered by Wasps being targeted by SISU, I would hate it if SISU suddenly started playing silly buggers with Coventry Rugby. Yes SISU could take us out of Coventry,but that would surely prove the final nail in our club. While SISU have the advantage of owning our club, Wasps have the huge advantage of owning the stadium,we have to (short-term at least) play in.

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Astute said:

But CCC would have to agree to it first. A ground share would probably come first.

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Astute said:

So they sponsor every rugger club?

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Captain Dart said:

Cov Rugby would have to agree to it, they won't.

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Grendel said:

Land rovers sponsorship of wasps is nothing to do with their size - it's a spin off of the general sponsorship of the sport.

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Astute said:

How do you know that?

Rent of 100k to Wasps is like a scratch to their debt. To CRFC it is a considerable amount. They said they will talk to CCFC but not SISU. So there is a chance. For all we know they could be in talks right now.

Personally I don't think that it will happen. But I am not going to write anything off.

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dongonzalos said:

Football is definitely bigger than rugby no question.
4th division football is not bigger than Wasps. Which is why Wasps have sponsorship deals with Land Rover, EMC, DS Smith, Lear Corp
Global companies employing 10's of thousands to 100's of thousands of people.
We have Allsop, no disrespect that have done brilliantly for themselves but they are no Land Rover.
You must realise the difference between the two clubs when you see that alone.

We are purely potential, unfortunately. I see running a club well as making good decisions that are for the best of the football club. Decisions that are made on behalf of this club currently are made on what is the best for SISU. Not CCFC. CCFC comes 4th in the decision making process behind SISU and a couple of its related companies.

It is not all about throwing money at it, however you do need some investment and it needs to be used wisely.

I believe Wasps want too much for it. I don't think they offer the marketing pull we offered when Ricoh were signed up.
I think Wasps need a similar if not better deal than the one Ricoh signed up to before. I don't think they will get that as it stands at the moment.
However signing us up to a 10 year rental won't change that either.
I think the way the Ricoh has been over the last 7-8 years puts people off paying that premium.
However I have a horrible feeling if Wasps get rid of SISU once and for all and continue their own on field success. Plus if they make a success of the concerts through next year.
I think they will get their deal.

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dongonzalos said:

Football is definitely bigger than rugby no question.
4th division football is not bigger than Wasps. Which is why Wasps have sponsorship deals with Land Rover, EMC, DS Smith, Lear Corp
Global companies employing 10's of thousands to 100's of thousands of people.
We have Allsop, no disrespect that have done brilliantly for themselves but they are no Land Rover.
You must realise the difference between the two clubs when you see that alone.

We are purely potential, unfortunately. I see running a club well as making good decisions that are for the best of the football club. Decisions that are made on behalf of this club currently are made on what is the best for SISU. Not CCFC. CCFC comes 4th in the decision making process behind SISU and a couple of its related companies.

It is not all about throwing money at it, however you do need some investment and it needs to be used wisely.

I believe Wasps want too much for it. I don't think they offer the marketing pull we offered when Ricoh were signed up.
I think Wasps need a similar if not better deal than the one Ricoh signed up to before. I don't think they will get that as it stands at the moment.
However signing us up to a 10 year rental won't change that either.
I think the way the Ricoh has been over the last 7-8 years puts people off paying that premium.
However I have a horrible feeling if Wasps get rid of SISU once and for all and continue their own on field success. Plus if they make a success of the concerts through next year.
I think they will get their deal.

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Grendel said:

They sponsor both Coventry rugby clubs - it's not the size of the club but its location - the press release at the time of the wasps arrangement was very keen to emphasise the point.

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Grendel said:

They sponsor both Coventry rugby clubs - it's not the size of the club but its location - the press release at the time of the wasps arrangement was very keen to emphasise the point.

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SkyBlueZack said:

Both Coventry rugby clubs? Have a word.

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Grendel said:

Yes I know but the point is they are not sponsored as they are a big name but location.
It's not much of a big deal at all despite the noise it had on here.
The sponsorship naming issue I would suggest which would concern a company interested is that if the football club is forced out there will be negative news stories that will refer to the stadium name - brand association never wants negativity.

Wasps want a long term deal for both parties regardless of any "background" noise as they think this will achieve the objective of getting a naming deal.

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SkyBlueZack said:

Does it matter how many employees a company has or are you more interested in how much cash they will give you? Do we know how much Land Rover paid Wasps? How much did Alsop pay CCFC?

We're not an attraction in L2. CCFC twitter followers, 101k. Wasps 88.7k. That's just one example and I'm not a massive fan of twitter but it has some relevance. I don't believe they are a bigger attraction than CCFC. I find it strange that CCFC fans do, maybe that's just my bias.

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SkyBlueZack said:

I agree they want too much, they want too much rent from CCFC too, so it would fit. I agree they don't have the pull CCFC did/does. I agree they need as much money as they can get. I disagree that CCFC signing for 10 years wouldn't enable them to receive more money. Admittedly we're L2, but as we're all aware football is massive. I don't understand what you mean by the way the Ricoh has been the last 7-8 years?

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dongonzalos said:

The size of the various global companies involved with Wasps does matter as it is a clear indicator of marketing pull. Ours is a local estate agent who have done well in Dubai. When we were up the leagues we also attracted Global companies.

Regarding twitter we have a bigger fan base than Wasps no question. Unfortunately at the moment they have bigger marketing pull.

As a fan I wish we had bigger marketing pull and with different owners one day we will again.



When Ricoh signed up as sponsors they did not envisage they were going to be sponsoring a stadium involving a rugby team. With a football team one level above the conference.
That the only time they get publicity is in the Rugby world or when our owners do a court case or move the football team out of the city.
People say there isn't such a thing as bad publicity. I am not so sure.
Sorry even through my sky blue tinted glasses I can't see CCFC as a bigger marketing pull than Wasps at the moment or in my opinion ever under both our current set of owners and their poles apart business strategies.
Pietebtial yes we are. However our owners have no interest in that potential unfortunately.

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Astute said:

They could build temporary stands. It would cost even less to put some turnstiles in.

Try looking at some of the Division 4 grounds. They are not all up to the standards we are used to. IIRC if we got promoted we would have a couple of years to bring it up to standard. So lots of time for SISU to play with.

But CCC would have to agree to it first. A ground share would probably come first.

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dongonzalos said:

The size of the various global companies involved with Wasps does matter as it is a clear indicator of marketing pull. Ours is a local estate agent who have done well in Dubai. When we were up the leagues we also attracted Global companies.

Regarding twitter we have a bigger fan base than Wasps no question. Unfortunately at the moment they have bigger marketing pull.

As a fan I wish we had bigger marketing pull and with different owners one day we will again.



When Ricoh signed up as sponsors they did not envisage they were going to be sponsoring a stadium involving a rugby team. With a football team one level above the conference.
That the only time they get publicity is in the Rugby world or when our owners do a court case or move the football team out of the city.
People say there isn't such a thing as bad publicity. I am not so sure.
Sorry even through my sky blue tinted glasses I can't see CCFC as a bigger marketing pull than Wasps at the moment or in my opinion ever under both our current set of owners and their poles apart business strategies.
Pietebtial yes we are. However our owners have no interest in that potential unfortunately.

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• Lear have sponsored the dugouts at the Ricoh for years. They're a global company that is locally based, I suspect the 'sponsorship' extends to the provision of the seats only.
• DS Smith are like JLR in that they have a general strategy for sponsoring rugby (probably because it's much cheaper than football to get exposure in the top division). They're hardly a well known global brand.

As a fan I wish we had bigger marketing pull and with different owners one day we will again

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fernandopartridge said:

You don't half talk bollocks / exaggerate. Rugby union highlights weren't even on terrestrial TV last season. The gap between 'top level' rugby and 4th tier football isn't as big as you state, otherwise the stadium deal would have been signed years ago when Wasps suggested it would be.

• Lear have sponsored the dugouts at the Ricoh for years. They're a global company that is locally based, I suspect the 'sponsorship' extends to the provision of the seats only.
• DS Smith are like JLR in that they have a general strategy for sponsoring rugby (probably because it's much cheaper than football to get exposure in the top division). They're hardly a well known global brand.

Laughable how a fan who wails about the likes of SISU being involved in the game, makes statements like

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Broken Hearted Sky Blue said:

Rugby UnionHighlights were on terrestrial tv last season,

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Sky Blue Pete said:

I'm almost at the stage where I'd want them to say to the current owners if you can't make a deal we will remove the golden share

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Sky Blue Pete said:

Again I say the football league should be mediating between the two parties before it's too late.

I'm almost at the stage where I'd want them to say to the current owners if you can't make a deal we will remove the golden share

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Sky Blue Pete said:

Again I say the football league should be mediating between the two parties before it's too late.

I'm almost at the stage where I'd want them to say to the current owners if you can't make a deal we will remove the golden share

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dongonzalos said:

Ours is a local estate agent who have done well in Dubai.

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Sky Blue Pete said:

Again I say the football league should be mediating between the two parties before it's too late.

I'm almost at the stage where I'd want them to say to the current owners if you can't make a deal we will remove the golden share

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hill83 said:

Pretty sure they started out in Dubai then opened up back home.

A small point, but always love to see you get something wrong.

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