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Grendel

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But you defend tax breaks for private schools? All in it together eh?

Encouraging the status quo in education balance of 7% out the state system should be encouraged yes as a further influx of pupils into an already bloated state system cannot be seen as a positive thing
 

NorthernWisdom

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No its not. If what you are suggesting is that graduates actually get higher wages the notion that has to be funded by non attending workers through increased taxation is absurd.
Nope, I'm suggesting that a better qualified workforce allows us to bemore competitive in this 'ere free market we're hurtling towards, and that the country and the economy will imrpove due to the competitive advantage we'll be giving ourselves.

And therefore, the quality of life for those non attending workers will be better, too.

I know it's an absurd notion to try and raise everybody up rather than drag the majority down... ;)
 

clint van damme

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Exactly.

He's been found out.

Even his own Education Minister Nick Gibb has said the Labour leader should apologise for trying to dupe young voters.

Nick Gibb says Corbyn should apologise over student debt | Daily Mail Online

what part of he didn't say it are you struggling with?
You do also realise that the mail tells lies don't you?

Also, reducing the national deficit has been in every tory manifesto since 2010 and its actually increased during each of their terms in parliament, must have missed you calling for their apology.
 

olderskyblue

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What would be interesting is how many people against getting rid of tuition fees are of a generation where, if they went to University, they could take advantage of not only no tuition fees to pay, but also grants to, well... exist.

I thought the fees are repayable when they get a job after they graduate, some have to pay a lot back, some a little back, and some nothing back. So, "existing" shouldn't be much different?
 

Grendel

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What would be interesting is how many people against getting rid of tuition fees are of a generation where, if they went to University, they could take advantage of not only no tuition fees to pay, but also grants to, well... exist.

No one actually pays tuition fees at the point of entry and I'm sure I read somewhere around 40% will be written off.
 

Grendel

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Nope, I'm suggesting that a better qualified workforce allows us to bemore competitive in this 'ere free market we're hurtling towards, and that the country and the economy will imrpove due to the competitive advantage we'll be giving ourselves.

And therefore, the quality of life for those non attending workers will be better, too.

I know it's an absurd notion to try and raise everybody up rather than drag the majority down... ;)

The majority of courses are of poor quality. Tuition time only has to be 12 hours and is rarely that. Many view masters degrees as the only worthwhile post school education other than really skilled and targeted degrees.
 

Kingokings204

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what part of he didn't say it are you struggling with?
You do also realise that the mail tells lies don't you?

Also, reducing the national deficit has been in every tory manifesto since 2010 and its actually increased during each of their terms in parliament, must have missed you calling for their apology.

Slight correction. The deficit has actually come down by about half since 2010 Tory government. it's the national debt which has over doubled under the tories. Up to around 1.7 trillion now which is eye watering. End of the day labour fucked the economy over borrowing more than we ever could pay and tories have compounded the debt by double. I don't trust any of them.
 

Captain Dart

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Slight correction. The deficit has actually come down by about half since 2010 Tory government. it's the national debt which has over doubled under the tories. Up to around 1.7 trillion now which is eye watering. End of the day labour fucked the economy over borrowing more than we ever could pay and tories have compounded the debt by double. I don't trust any of them.

Nevertheless the debt as a percentage of GDP is less than France & Canada around 92%.
Germany & USA are more like 70-75% and that is where the country needs to be.
What we don't need is more spending like McDonell wants to push the % up to the level of Italy (132%) or Portugal(126%)!
 

Kingokings204

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Nevertheless the debt as a percentage of GDP is less than France & Canada around 92%.
Germany & USA are more like 70-75% and that is where the country needs to be.
What we don't need is more spending like McDonell wants to push the % up to the level of Italy (132%) or Portugal(126%)!

What's the UK GDP? The rule is once you get over 100-110% you are starting to hit major problems and Greece Italy need countries all have well over 100%. Basically means they cant afford their debt. One exception is Japan (I think) who have around 215% GDP which is easily the highest in the world but strangely don't have problems.
 

chiefdave

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What's the UK GDP? The rule is once you get over 100-110% you are starting to hit major problems
Until the banking crisis it was between 30 and 40% for years. It shot up to 60% after the banking crisis and is now at 86%, the highest since the 60s and is predicted to hit 88% this year.
 

Grendel

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Until the banking crisis it was between 30 and 40% for years. It shot up to 60% after the banking crisis and is now at 86%, the highest since the 60s and is predicted to hit 88% this year.

Irrelevant. In the 70's it was much lower than now but the IMF has to bail us out and interest rates were 25%
 

chiefdave

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It wouldn't be a story if people didn't believe that's what they were suggesting during the campaign and it is important as it's the reason why such a significant number of young people/students (and parents of students) probably voted for Corbyn.
Turns out its not a reason a significant number of students voted Labour. That or the fact Corbyn never actually said he'd wipe the debt hasn't stopped the story rumbling on all week.

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All of the other points raised above are important and I'm sure are being/will be scrutinised but for once just accept a point rather than blindly arguing in support.
A week on and the non story about student debt is still alive but there's been little to no coverage of those other points.
 

Grendel

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Brexit made the Conservatives drop an election pledge?

I know you're only taking the piss but it's deflecting because you can't answer as to why they've lied again.

Grow up
 

martcov

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Brexits fault. (Standard answer these days)

Lots of talk here about the EMA and the banking Aufsicht ( don't know what it's called in English). Bonn wants the EMA and Frankfurt the banking control. 23 cities bidding for these organisations. They have well paid staff and organise many events and conferences. Pity we're losing them as everyone else seems to fighting over the Brexit spoils. That is definitely Brexit's fault. Still we have the prospect of a deal with Trump's America to look forward to...;-)
 

martcov

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Exactly.

He's been found out.

Even his own Education Minister Nick Gibb has said the Labour leader should apologise for trying to dupe young voters.

Nick Gibb says Corbyn should apologise over student debt | Daily Mail Online

Apropos duping young voters...... I am waiting for the day where rags like the Mail have to apologise for their lies and hate which have duped many people into voting for Brexit. The clown Farage wants youngsters ( never called anyone a youngster in my life ) to watch Dunkirk. A pity there isn't a prelude which explains why Dunkirk happened in the first place.
 

Earlsdon_Skyblue1

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Have to laugh at the Daily Mail moaning about how long its taking people to get through customs as they're doing more thorough border checks.

It's all complete bullshit.

There are no extra checks. I've been through 14 airports in 3 months and it's down almost exclusively to lack of organisation and staffing.
 

Earlsdon_Skyblue1

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Apropos duping young voters...... I am waiting for the day where rags like the Mail have to apologise for their lies and hate which have duped many people into voting for Brexit. The clown Farage wants youngsters ( never called anyone a youngster in my life ) to watch Dunkirk. A pity there isn't a prelude which explains why Dunkirk happened in the first place.

Yes, and I would agree with you if they were they only ones doing it. The sheer tripe coming from The Independent etc just balances it the other way thoigh. In fact it almost certainly tips it in its favour.
 

martcov

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Yes, and I would agree with you if they were they only ones doing it. The sheer tripe coming from The Independent etc just balances it the other way thoigh. In fact it almost certainly tips it in its favour.

Like the latest tripe about creating more bureaucrats to do the job of Brussels?

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Cabinet Office minister Chris Skidmore said among new offices established will be those required to run regulatory regimes currently under the watch of Brussels.

In an interview with Civil Service World, he said: “There are several organisations that will be created through Brexit.

“You’re looking at 20-plus public bodies being created through Brexit – and the commitment there is getting those outside of London.”

Obviously tripe. We wouldn't be creating more bureaucrats to replace Brussels would we? After all we are leaving to have less bureaucracy..... Typical Independent sad.... Or is it that the Independent keeps pointing out the lunacy and contradictions of Brexit? Better stick to the Mail if you want to hear a positive slant on this cock up. You seem to think that the Mail is more reliable.

Having regulatory bodies to oversee 28 countries seems more sensible than having 28 countries with their own regulatory bodies. The U.K. Will be duplicating Brussels. The only difference being we can now moan about our own bureaucracy instead of Brussels. Instead of the hated Eurocrats we can call ours Britocrats.
 

Earlsdon_Skyblue1

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Like the latest tripe about creating more bureaucrats to do the job of Brussels?

"
Cabinet Office minister Chris Skidmore said among new offices established will be those required to run regulatory regimes currently under the watch of Brussels.

In an interview with Civil Service World, he said: “There are several organisations that will be created through Brexit.

“You’re looking at 20-plus public bodies being created through Brexit – and the commitment there is getting those outside of London.”

Obviously tripe. We wouldn't be creating more bureaucrats to replace Brussels would we? After all we are leaving to have less bureaucracy..... Typical Independent sad.... Or is it that the Independent keeps pointing out the lunacy and contradictions of Brexit? Better stick to the Mail if you want to hear a positive slant on this cock up. You seem to think that the Mail is more reliable.

Having regulatory bodies to oversee 28 countries seems more sensible than having 28 countries with their own regulatory bodies. The U.K. Will be duplicating Brussels. The only difference being we can now moan about our own bureaucracy instead of Brussels. Instead of the hated Eurocrats we can call ours Britocrats.

So you've picked one article, which you might be able to argue has a point. Even I could do that with the Daily Sport.

The point is, you cannot get upset about the Daily Mail recruiting leave voters, when The Guradian, The Independent, The BBC, Sky News, The Times, The Financial Times etc, were very hard the other way.

The sad thing is, had these project fear, and actually quite hateful at times, media outlets been impartial during the referendum and hadn't tried to smear anyone even thinking of voting leave, remain would have won easily.
 

Earlsdon_Skyblue1

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There have been extra checks at the smaller airports I have flown in and out of.

Where? And what were they doing that you would class as 'extra'?

As I've said, none of the airports they are reporting, plus others, have been anything to do with extra checks. Even the people that run Palma airport have come clean and said they have a sheer lack of Police at the moment. One and a half hours worth or waiting and they just wave you through anyway, without even an interest in looking at your passport.

It's more bullshit.
 

dutchman

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Irrelevant. In the 70's it was much lower than now but the IMF has to bail us out and interest rates were 25%
The Cabinet Papers | Sterling devalued and the IMF loan
Following the agreement with the IMF, the overall economic and financial picture improved. Interest rates were soon reduced and the pound quickly appreciated in value. By the end of 1977, partly as a result of new oil revenues, there were improvements in the balance of trade. Britain did not need to draw the full loan from the IMF.
 

Grendel

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Oh I'll take the bet if you like - I've not even said there won't be an election however if done deal is agreed with the unionists that will see them through the year.

Hello hello
 

Grendel

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It's still nowhere near as wide of the mark as your landslide and destruction of the Labour party forever predictions.

Well opinion polls suggest otherwise. I’ll nominate a charity shortly - do donations to the Tory party count?
 

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