Time wasting (1 Viewer)

sb84 · Aug 22, 2017

Odd that this has come up in the press this week as myself and my kids discussed this during the Newport game last week.
Simple answer is yes we are short changed with the amount of game/ball in play time but I feel the Rugby style clock of 2x 30 minute halves will ruin a game that has developed around 2x45 minute halves for quite some years now.
Simpler solutions off the top of my head would be...

back to 6 seconds for a goalkeeper to release the ball once he has it under control in the hands, cannot pick it up again until it re-enters the 18 yard box.

Goal kicks to be taken the same side the ball went out

arm every ball bay with a ball, for some reason this does not happen at lower league?

Throw ins, 5/6 second rule once the player is in correct position

Substitute goes off the field at the nearest touchline (and walks around pitch if required) and must be made within 20 seconds of board going up from 4th official.( Referees are supposed to add on 30 seconds for each substitute but I have been to games with 6 subs used and only 2 mins added on??)

Start to implement tougher refereeing (towards Rugby style in this case would suit me), eventually players will stop getting in the face if the referee in the current style and concentrate on getting on with the game. Implement the rules to the letter and players will get on with game, as an example lots are getting away with kicking the ball away from free kicks etc and not getting booked. Again if a player stands in front of a free kick too prevent it then book him and add on time for bookings too.

steveo1987 · Aug 22, 2017

Fair comments.Time wasting in football is a huge problem that is simply not being addressed the same way as over the top tackles and offsides were changed for example.

ajsccfc · Aug 22, 2017

The goal kick one in particular I'd put in place immediately. If a corner is dictated by what side the ball went out, there's no reason to encourage a goalkeeper fannying about and ambling over to the furthest away point.

SkyblueBazza · Aug 22, 2017

A simple 15s rule for throw ins & free-kicks without injuries - monitored by the 4th official with a timer he starts at the refs whistle or lino's flag. There seem plenty of ball boys able to get a ball to the right place quickly. The onus is on the teams to get on with the game. After 15s a gong over the PA sounds & if not taken then the throw or kick goes to the opposition.

Subs can only be made in the last 10mins with express agreement of 4th official due to injury. 30s allowed for a substitution - then the game continues whether the replacement is ready or not...stops this slow walk off. They simply get off the pitch at the nearest point & don a neutral shirt handed to them by the ball boy or stewards.

Injured (i.e. genuine & those with agonising injury causing much wincing &/or rolling about) players must be carried off the pitch to the nearest point where a neutral physio can assess the severity off the pitch for up to 5mins before deciding if they can continue. If immediately obvious there is a serious injury, sub can be made instantly... otherwise avoid feigning injury as your team is a man down for 5mins.

Nobody is allowed to speak to the ref to query decisions & moan other than through the captain.

No time consuming bookings or sendings off. Instant 10min sin-bin. Next offence instant sin-bin plus 1 match ban. Further offences = 10mins plus another game ban.

Sure theres loads more they could do - then just keep it at 45mins each way. That is the basic duration of the game.

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Nick · Aug 22, 2017

If somebody is being subbed off and they walk and shake everybodys hand then they should be booked still for timewasting. If they are on a booking, they won't be so keen to stroll off then.

Unless it's us winning and doing it, it's fine then!

ajsccfc · Aug 22, 2017

I'd keep away from sin bins and that kind of thing, seems too far a departure for me.

shmmeee · Aug 22, 2017

Just enforce the rules we have. Refs just need to be far quicker booking for delays at GKs and throwins and subs and it’ll soon stop.

Moff · Aug 22, 2017

ajsccfc said:
The goal kick one in particular I'd put in place immediately. If a corner is dictated by what side the ball went out, there's no reason to encourage a goalkeeper fannying about and ambling over to the furthest away point.

Totally agree re the goal kicks.

I was amazed at the time wasting on Saturday, and how the referee seemed to let it continue. The goalkeeper was wise to it, moving the ball around the box for offside's and then looking at the linesman and and moving it again and asking if it was ok and in line, it went on for ages.

The worst though were the goal kicks. As I looked at the goal in the second half, we hit a shot that went to the right of the Newport goal, and out by their fans. The keeper went to get it, walked around the back of the goal to the left hand side, and then nodded to the ref that he wanted to take it on the right and ambled over there. He was allowed to do so without being told to get on with it. Blatant timewasting, which I can understand him trying, but was allowed to get away with it by the ref.

covcity4life · Aug 22, 2017

its not hard to stop a clock in a football game for every stoppage. PES and FIFA do it after all!

that said i wouldnt want it for throw ins and corner kicks tbh, just need a ref on ball to stop it dead as soon as they see its taking too long to restart play

Terry Gibson's perm · Aug 22, 2017

Nick said:
If somebody is being subbed off and they walk and shake everybodys hand then they should be booked still for timewasting. If they are on a booking, they won't be so keen to stroll off then.

Unless it's us winning and doing it, it's fine then!

I would change this to the player who is entering the field gets booked as they are still on the field and it could make a difference

Terry Gibson's perm · Aug 22, 2017

I was so bored on Saturday by the time wasting that I timed the keeper and he was taking twenty seconds on some goal kicks from hand.

For goalkeepers I would introduce a timer that is over tanoy until then the fans should chant at the moment the keeper gets the ball to try to embarrass the ref into doing something and forget booking the goalie it should be a penalty each time (this is our time they are stealing)

Substitutions as I said above but also when they get the player to leave the pitch from the furthest point as soon as the new player enters the field the game should start no matter where he is rather than waiting for him to trot into position if longer than 15 seconds

A referee needs to allow for the time wasted I think Saturday should have been nearer to fifteen minutes rather than five.

Players who go down with cramp should be excluded for five minutes for their own safety as cramp doesn't tend to go after one little push.

Time wasting drives me potty

Liquid Gold · Aug 22, 2017

Saturday drove me mental. We must have lost, at the very minimum, a 3rd of the game through dicking about.

Nick · Aug 22, 2017

They were time wasting on about 20 minutes.

Otis · Aug 22, 2017

I also though hate the taking of the ball into the corner flags at the end of matches. Even don't like it when WE are winning and doing it. It almost seems cowardly and a bit of a cheat, even though within the rules of the game.

Is 'ungentlemanly conduct' still in the rule book? If so it could be implemented and enforced that way, but I really do hate it. It adds nothing to the game, is really dull to watch and total non-entertainment.

I have noticed also some teams doing it earlier and earlier and earlier. Used to be with just 2 or 3 mins left on the clock. Now I have seen it with 8 or 9 mins left.

Really can't stand it. Also totally agree on time limits for subs, throw ins and goal kicks.

skybluegod · Aug 22, 2017

The 6 second rule is technically still a thing, but referees just don't have balls to implement it, as there is no consistency.
Also goalkeepers aren't allowed to pick up the ball if it has already been placed down?

singers_pore · Aug 22, 2017

Oggy was the king of time wasting. I remember going to Luton when away fans were banned. Oggy was taking forever to kick the ball and the Luton fans around us were getting very agitated. My mate shouts out very loudly "Don't you worry Oggy, take as long as you like."

Hobo · Aug 22, 2017

What if:
Ref decides you are time wasting it becomes the other sides ball. So they get the throw in or free kick. If you were about to take a goal kick it becomes their corner.

ajsccfc · Aug 22, 2017

In some situations that could encourage you to waste time, like if you had a late lead and a throw deep in the opposition half it can be more beneficial to wait for the referee to turn the ball over.

Mcbean · Aug 22, 2017

made my blood boil -in the old days the goalie had to look for a spot to kick from - our pitch is more pristine that the Newport Goalkeepers lounge carpet ! and as for the subs - as soon as the board is up and the ref waves him on - it should be done - whats all this waiting for him to get in position - Injuries should be like rugby trainer on - no timewasting - will soon sort it

itsabuzzard · Aug 22, 2017

Otis said:
I also though hate the taking of the ball into the corner flags at the end of matches. Even don't like it when WE are winning and doing it. It almost seems cowardly and a bit of a cheat, even though within the rules of the game.

Is 'ungentlemanly conduct' still in the rule book? If so it could be implemented and enforced that way, but I really do hate it. It adds nothing to the game, is really dull to watch and total non-entertainment.

I have noticed also some teams doing it earlier and earlier and earlier. Used to be with just 2 or 3 mins left on the clock. Now I have seen it with 8 or 9 mins left.

Really can't stand it. Also totally agree on time limits for subs, throw ins and goal kicks.

With you on this one. It's anti-football, fucking diabolical and the rules should be changed to outlaw it.

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SkyblueBazza · Aug 22, 2017

shmmeee said:
Just enforce the rules we have. Refs just need to be far quicker booking for delays at GKs and throwins and subs and it’ll soon stop.

It allows for too much subjectivity & hence inconsistency as the rules stand imo

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SkyblueBazza · Aug 22, 2017

singers_pore said:
Oggy was the king of time wasting. I remember going to Luton when away fans were banned. Oggy was taking forever to kick the ball and the Luton fans around us were getting very agitated. My mate shouts out very loudly "Don't you worry Oggy, take as long as you like."

Oh - you little scallywag!

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SkyblueBazza · Aug 22, 2017

Hobo said:
What if:
Ref decides you are time wasting it becomes the other sides ball. So they get the throw in or free kick. If you were about to take a goal kick it becomes their corner.

Which is aligned to my earlier post but it is still subjective according to the ref. The clock cannot really be questioned so it's the team in possession's responsibility to keep the game flowing or hand possession back

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SkyblueBazza · Aug 22, 2017

ajsccfc said:
In some situations that could encourage you to waste time, like if you had a late lead and a throw deep in the opposition half it can be more beneficial to wait for the referee to turn the ball over.

Not if you make a rule that if the whistle blows you risk dissmissal for kicking the ball away. Some subjectivity there I know, but situations like you describe can be spotted pretty easily

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COVKIDSNEVERQUIT · Aug 22, 2017

Time wasting !

A referee , two lines man , a fourth official and in the champions league the two muppets behind the goal !

All the above, all they have to do is ACTUALLY ENFORCE the laws of the game !!!

chiefdave · Aug 22, 2017

We all know every team time wastes but Saturday was ridiculous. How there was no cards for time wasting is beyond me.

covcity4life said:
its not hard to stop a clock in a football game for every stoppage. PES and FIFA do it after all!

Would love to see them experiment with time keeping like this. Maybe a friendly or something. Have the clock on display and if the game is paused so does the clock.

skybluegod · Aug 22, 2017

SkyblueBazza said:
Not if you make a rule that if the whistle blows you risk dissmissal for kicking the ball away. Some subjectivity there I know, but situations like you describe can be spotted pretty easily

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Think it would lead to too many mistakes, I remember the RVP dismissal a couple years back for Man United, he was clear through on goal, the ref had blown the whistle, Van Persie clearly hadn't heard it, and still shot, got a second yellow and sent off. Don't want imagine how many times players would be sent off if it was a straight red.
Especially at the Ricoh, with the dicks that blow whistles, although I haven't heard them yet this season.

skybluegod · Aug 22, 2017

chiefdave said:
We all know every team time wastes but Saturday was ridiculous. How there was no cards for time wasting is beyond me.

Would love to see them experiment with time keeping like this. Maybe a friendly or something. Have the clock on display and if the game is paused so does the clock.[/QUOTE

You would think the fourth official could do something like this as well? Have his watch running as well, and pause it every time there is a break in play

Gazolba · Aug 22, 2017

sb84 said:
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Throw ins, 5/6 second rule once the player is in correct position
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Regarding throw-ins. I'd like to see the first player to touch the ball after it goes out of play have to be the one to take the throw in. No handing it off to someone else.

I'd also like to see an arc marked on the pitch 10 feet from each corner flag.
Apart from corner kicks or free-kicks, no-one being allowed to take the ball in there for more than a few seconds.

RegTheDonk · Aug 22, 2017

Won't be a popular train of thought, but are we frustrated because we were losing? To be totally honest, if we were one up away against the league leaders after a flukey goal, I'd want our lads to take as much time as they could get away with. Refs do need to man up and be consistent though, its gameplay but not good for the games play.

Terry Gibson's perm · Aug 22, 2017

RegTheDonk said:
Won't be a popular train of thought, but are we frustrated because we were losing? To be totally honest, if we were one up away against the league leaders after a flukey goal, I'd want our lads to take as much time as they could get away with. Refs do need to man up and be consistent though, its gameplay but not good for the games play.

Yes but most of the games I see are at home and it frustrates me that these team waste so much time it is supposed to be entertainment.

SkyblueBazza · Aug 22, 2017

COVKIDSNEVERQUIT said:
Time wasting !

A referee , two lines man , a fourth official and in the champions league the two muppets behind the goal !

All the above, all they have to do is ACTUALLY ENFORCE the laws of the game !!!

This is true - but they simply refuse to do it

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SkyblueBazza · Aug 22, 2017

skybluegod said:
Think it would lead to too many mistakes, I remember the RVP dismissal a couple years back for Man United, he was clear through on goal, the ref had blown the whistle, Van Persie clearly hadn't heard it, and still shot, got a second yellow and sent off. Don't want imagine how many times players would be sent off if it was a straight red.
Especially at the Ricoh, with the dicks that blow whistles, although I haven't heard them yet this season.

But that is happening with the current situation. If it happened under my suggestions...there wouldn't be any loss as far as I can see...but there would be positives

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Nick · Aug 22, 2017

Burge was a bit blatant too, he loved kicking the posts.

Even if we were losing.

COVKIDSNEVERQUIT · Aug 22, 2017

Nick said:
Burge was a bit blatant too, he loved kicking the posts.

Even if we were losing.

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