999 What's Your Emergency? (1 Viewer)

Otis

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Just watched tonight's episide and 3 things stood out amongst the facts and figures.

1. The gap between rich and poor is the widest it's ever been in the last 30 years.

2. 9 out 10 burglaries go unsolved.

3. The show is covering Wiltshire. Wiltshire Constabulary apparently hasn't had a burglary unit for the past 2 years. They say because of cuts they just don't have the money.

What on earth is going on? These all seem basics that can and should be sorted, surely?

I have been burgled twice. It is a most horrible experience. Absolutely sickening. And surely a government can sort out the disparity between the rich and the poor. It simply should not be growing.
 

Carlh29

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The sooner they can get more people in work the more tax money available and the more resource available. It's not a good position to have things like this missing but the country has gone to shit.
 

Otis

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'not a good position to be in' has to be the understatement of the year.

You simply cannot have a police force without a burglary investigation unit. That is absolutely scandalous and quite shocking.

What's going to happen when everyone discovers police forces no longer have burglary units I wonder.

What a fantastic deterrent!!

And what happened to Cameron's 'we are all in it together?' Biggest gap between rich and poor now for 20 years.
 

Macca

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Burglary isn't necessarily down to people being poor though. I have been in the bones of my arse a number of times and never considered stealing other people's possessions. Some people think it's appropriate to take other people's stuff because they want it. I think it's a revolting crime and rarely the genuinely rich people that suffer. It ain't fucking Robin Hood it's steal from the worked bastard hard to get a little bit of nice stuff and give to the to lazy to bother
 

Otis

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Burglary isn't necessarily down to people being poor though. I have been in the bones of my arse a number of times and never considered stealing other people's possessions. Some people think it's appropriate to take other people's stuff because they want it. I think it's a revolting crime and rarely the genuinely rich people that suffer. It ain't fucking Robin Hood it's steal from the worked bastard hard to get a little bit of nice stuff and give to the to lazy to bother

Funnily enough, they mentioned Robin Hood last night.

And on the poor thing, one guy was caught at the the actual scene of the burglary. The only thing he stole was food from the fridge and freezer. He stole because he was hungry.
 

Macca

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Funnily enough, they mentioned Robin Hood last night.

And on the poor thing, one guy was caught at the the actual scene of the burglary. The only thing he stole was food from the fridge and freezer. He stole because he was hungry.

I would suggest this is an outlying example as sad as it is. What do you call rich though. I have a decent house and job for which I am grateful but no spare money, down to pence by payday. If someone steals the contents of my freezer on the last week of the month i have no food left either. Do I deserve it for having something, stealing is not the answer, dealing with poverty is
 

Otis

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I don't know how they calculate rich v poor. The gap certainly shouldn't be getting bigger if we're all in it together though should it.

I would estimate at the likes of myself being more likely to be burgled too. Surely the richer you are the more stringent and better quslity security you can afford.

I most definitely could not be described as rich. Whether fall into the poor category I'm not sure.

Think we also are avoiding the issue here though of a police having a burglary investigation unit as a basic requirement surely.
 

Macca

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I don't know how they calculate rich v poor. The gap certainly shouldn't be getting bigger if we're all in it together though should it.

I would estimate at the likes of myself being more likely to be burgled too. Surely the richer you are the more stringent and better quslity security you can afford.

I most definitely could not be described as rich. Whether fall into the poor category I'm not sure.

Think we also are avoiding the issue here though of a police having a burglary investigation unit as a basic requirement surely.

I agree Otis but I fear it will become another thing we are expected to live with as the lines between right and wrong continue to blur
 

Nick

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Wasn't it Leicester police or somebody who cut down Burglaries and said they could only respond to them 3 days a week?

If people discover there are no police looking into them then it's when vigilantes start.

I've not reported much to the police, had a car stolen and an accident with an offroad bike smashing into me and the police didn't do anything about the car other than pick it up and take it to Wolvey and charge me hundreds for the privilege when they could have just phoned me and I'd have gone the mile down the road to get it.

If I got burgled, I wouldn't hold out too much hope of it being solved and would probably try and find out who it was myself and sort it.
 

chiefdave

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When I was living in Pompey the police open said 'minor' crimes wouldn't be looked in to as they didn't have the resources. They even setup a non-emergency phone line you could ring to get a crime ref if you needed it for insurance.
 

hotrod

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It seems to me the whole Legal system is starting to break down.Following a Court claim by myself I have recently received a letter from the Court instructing me to submit my evidence by the 9th Sept 2017 otherwise my Claim will be struck out. I received the letter dated 13th September 2017.

Regards.
 

Otis

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Wasn't it Leicester police or somebody who cut down Burglaries and said they could only respond to them 3 days a week?

If people discover there are no police looking into them then it's when vigilantes start.

I've not reported much to the police, had a car stolen and an accident with an offroad bike smashing into me and the police didn't do anything about the car other than pick it up and take it to Wolvey and charge me hundreds for the privilege when they could have just phoned me and I'd have gone the mile down the road to get it.

If I got burgled, I wouldn't hold out too much hope of it being solved and would probably try and find out who it was myself and sort it.

I got burgled. First occasion the police came out, looked at the scene and said that it looked like the thieves were interrupted and would probably come back.

Exactly what I wanted to hear and it cheered me up no end!!

Second time they didn't even come out and then we had a third attempt and that was horrific for my missus because the two burglars were trying to actually barge their way in while my missus was there. She was holding on to the front door pushing it on the inside and they were pushing against the door from the outside.

Can only imagine what that must have felt like.
 
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Nick

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Bloody hell, did the police do anything about that one? That's way more than nipping in through the Window when nobody is in.
 

Otis

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Bloody hell, did the police do anything about that one? That's way more than nipping in through the Window when nobody is in.
Nope, did nothing at all. Didn't come out and when we rang it was more a less a 'you stopped them then, it's okay, carry on.'
 

Nick

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Couple of Rottweilers / Mastiffs and nobody will think twice ;)

It will get to the point where people are defending their homes like rednecks. :(
 
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Otis

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A bark might be enough to be fair.

Obviously if people want to get in they will get into any house, but anything that puts them off is a bonus.
She's as quiet as a mouse, but luckily for us (at times unluckily) she does bark when anyone comes to the door. She's a small dog but does have a very big bark.
 

Nick

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She's as quiet as a mouse, but luckily for us (at times unluckily) she does bark when anyone comes to the door. She's a small dog but does have a very big bark.

That's the thing, with your every day smack head who wants a quick buck for drugs they will just move on somewhere else and not want the hassle of a dog at them.
 

shmmeee

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Poverty and property crime are very closely linked, it’s ridiculous to claim otherwise. The link is there in every dataset on the planet. Very simple equation: the more you stand to lose the less likely you’ll risk it all for a stolen telly. (Also white collar crime is seriously under reported and under policed).

The sooner they can get more people in work the more tax money available and the more resource available. It's not a good position to have things like this missing but the country has gone to shit.

Eh? Unemployment is at record lows.

The problem is the work people are in pays shit.

I think burglary is one of those crimes you either do or you don’t. I’ve know a couple of thieves when I was younger and they seem to justify it to themselves that the other person can afford it, or they shouldn’t have been silly enough to leave stuff lying around or whatever. Generally they’re all amoral arseholes I was glad to no longer be involved with. I’ve met rich versions of these people but they tend to be dodgy salesmen or similar instead of thrives, same mindset though. The sort you’d see on Rogue Traders or something.
 

RegTheDonk

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I think there are many, like many reasons why they don't investigate burglaries, but obviously with the cuts there are less people to deal with the crime. Coupled with the priorities to protect life and property, I would think its only an emergency if someone's being assaulted or property is in the actual act of being stolen or damaged. So if the burglary has already happened, its not urgent.

More and more emphasis is on people sorting it out for themselves unfortunately - so you'll end up reporting your own crimes on line, take and upload your own photos/videos. I guess the forensics will only come out if they feel there’s a chance of some DNA or fingerprints being left at the scene. Not really likely.

If your missus was dialling 999 when they were still trying to force entry and they didn't turn out Otis, that’s a disgusting response.
 

I_Saw_Shaw_Score

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I think there are many, like many reasons why they don't investigate burglaries, but obviously with the cuts there are less people to deal with the crime. Coupled with the priorities to protect life and property, I would think its only an emergency if someone's being assaulted or property is in the actual act of being stolen or damaged. So if the burglary has already happened, its not urgent.

More and more emphasis is on people sorting it out for themselves unfortunately - so you'll end up reporting your own crimes on line, take and upload your own photos/videos. I guess the forensics will only come out if they feel there’s a chance of some DNA or fingerprints being left at the scene. Not really likely.

If your missus was dialling 999 when they were still trying to force entry and they didn't turn out Otis, that’s a disgusting response.

I think West Midlands Police in the past week have started the online reporting. Basically gives you a crime ref number for insurance purposes and I guess you won't hear much else.
 

RegTheDonk

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I think West Midlands Police in the past week have started the online reporting. Basically gives you a crime ref number for insurance purposes and I guess you won't hear much else.
Yes Shaw and, to a certain degree, thats fair enough. Most people are on the web or have a smarthphone and can do the donkey work themselves. If the end result is the same (ie. property not recovered) then thats probably all that would normally happen....what bothers me is the after care:

Most of us able to self report would be able to find out addition advice from the police or their partners web sites etc. But for those who aren't tech savvy, what prevention and reassurance would they get without a cop or PCSO doing a visit? In many cases these are the elderly, the disabled, those with physical or mental problems - in effect perhaps the most vulnerably and needy in society. They would still rely on phoning the police so are they going to understand and be happy with being talked through a contact centre's screen, rather than having somone come out and give them the personal treatment? Coupled with shocking 101 response times, not the best service. WMP seem to be spending a lot of their cash on an Accenture driven IT solution, hope it doesn't bite their bums like it did with the Scottish Police service.
 

Otis

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Yes Shaw and, to a certain degree, thats fair enough. Most people are on the web or have a smarthphone and can do the donkey work themselves. If the end result is the same (ie. property not recovered) then thats probably all that would normally happen....what bothers me is the after care:

Most of us able to self report would be able to find out addition advice from the police or their partners web sites etc. But for those who aren't tech savvy, what prevention and reassurance would they get without a cop or PCSO doing a visit? In many cases these are the elderly, the disabled, those with physical or mental problems - in effect perhaps the most vulnerably and needy in society. They would still rely on phoning the police so are they going to understand and be happy with being talked through a contact centre's screen, rather than having somone come out and give them the personal treatment? Coupled with shocking 101 response times, not the best service. WMP seem to be spending a lot of their cash on an Accenture driven IT solution, hope it doesn't bite their bums like it did with the Scottish Police service.

I also think the police coming round to look at an incident is a deterrent to many. Makes the crooks know the police may be seeking forensic evidence and may heighten patrols around the area if there is a spate going on.

The police are a visual deterrent.
 

I_Saw_Shaw_Score

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Yes Shaw and, to a certain degree, thats fair enough. Most people are on the web or have a smarthphone and can do the donkey work themselves. If the end result is the same (ie. property not recovered) then thats probably all that would normally happen....what bothers me is the after care:

Most of us able to self report would be able to find out addition advice from the police or their partners web sites etc. But for those who aren't tech savvy, what prevention and reassurance would they get without a cop or PCSO doing a visit? In many cases these are the elderly, the disabled, those with physical or mental problems - in effect perhaps the most vulnerably and needy in society. They would still rely on phoning the police so are they going to understand and be happy with being talked through a contact centre's screen, rather than having somone come out and give them the personal treatment? Coupled with shocking 101 response times, not the best service. WMP seem to be spending a lot of their cash on an Accenture driven IT solution, hope it doesn't bite their bums like it did with the Scottish Police service.


Totally agree, like the lesser presence on the streets on foot etc I agree seeing the Police knowing they're about is a big comfort for those vulnerable and hopefully makes the game of cat and mouse with burglars etc a little bit more in favour of the cat as I'd imagine in the presence climate the mouse is feeling fairly untouchable.
 

Gazolba

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<snip> And surely a government can sort out the disparity between the rich and the poor. It simply should not be growing.
Hint: The government consists mostly of rich people or people on the payroll of rich people.
 

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