Tiredness (1 Viewer)

shmmeee said:

We just don’t have the quality. On song and fit that team has no Kelly, Lati, Palmer, etc. And there’s still questions about GK, CBs and CM. It’s a half built squad basically. Once you lose two or three players, particularly quality players, we lose the edge.

We need to sign 5/6 first team quality players and another 4/5 who have the potential to reach that. We probably have to spend half as much again as we did last summer, if not more.

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This I agree with, and keep saying it, we need a bigger squad! (With some quality additions).

We were on the back foot tonight no matter what against a better team with 3 or 4 regulars out .. but we do so many basic things wrong it's fuck all to do with fatigue it's just a good old fashioned being shit

Brighton Sky Blue said:

Nobody will take Dasilva for a fee and I doubt anyone in this league will take Palmer.

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Very worrying, he has another 3 years. I hope there is a load of potential he has yet to reveal.

Despite this pile of fatigue…should have got something tonight and last Wednesday.

Giving away terrible goals in the first 10 minutes isn’t tiredness, it’s carelessness. Arsing around at the back isn’t tiredness, it’s an instruction. Passing sideways in front of 11 opposition players isn’t tiredness either, it’s indecision. Has been this way for months.

alfielloyd said:

Very worrying, he has another 3 years. I hope there is a load of potential he has yet to reveal.

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Our best chance is to free him from defensive duties and convert him to a wide attacking player.

Evo1883 said:

But that's what I've been saying clint , we've had an fa cup run and they are professional athletes paid thousands , they should get on and do their job , we haven't been tired since Preston.. we need to stop with this nonsense we've been shit end of story

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Agree to a point, but I think the extra games have had a massive affect on our league form.
But the sakamoto injury and our defending in the last couple of months gave also played in to it admittedly

Not so much tiredness at all now but motivation. This lot are on the beach, a yard too slow and passing for the sake of it.
Got to sort the defence out, our centre backs are worth a goal a game to any team. Da Silva is ok with the ball forward but along with Latibeaudiere is a liability at the back.

alfielloyd said:

MR started to talk about fatigue as far back February, post match v Stoke City. It became our default mindset, the reality is we have played 2 or 3 games more than most other Championship sides.

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If you want a bigger squad, which any sane person would, then talking about fatigue to the media is pretty much par for the course in the hope the chairman is paying attention.

Feels like we’ve had a bit of a losers mentality for a while.

Nick said:

Or it's just a shit excuse.

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It's possible for some of the things you've mentioned to be correct and for fatigue to be a factor, it doesn't have to be one or the other.

But I will keep banging on about squad size, if we don't increase it we won't go anywhere.

Squad is definitely lacking leadership and drive and that’s meant we could drop off mentally and physically where if you had a Fadz or Doyle type on the pitch they wouldn’t allow it.

Bit pissed off that 7 points out of our last three games would have seen us right in the top 6 when it looked unlikely!

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Evo1883 said:

We were on the back foot tonight no matter what against a better team with 3 or 4 regulars out .. but we do so many basic things wrong it's fuck all to do with fatigue it's just a good old fashioned being shit

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So you don't think they can be any correlation between doing basic things wrong and fatigue....

Even though the amount of basic things we've got wrong seems to be increasing the more games we have to play in a shorter amount of time...

clint van damme said:

Not sure that's relevant to my post but Robins has mentioned playing through injuries a few times.
Sounds as though we have an issue with players not prepared to grin and bare mi or knocks, but that's reading between the lines

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I think that's a very old-school view MR (and AV) have taken from their playing days.

That's why a lot of players had to retire early 30's - because these 'minor knocks' added up and next thing they know they're fucked as a professional athlete.

Look at Dabo. Played through injury and the pain barrier and where's it got him? Career almost over because his body can't cope due to the injuries. I've got back and shoulder problems because I 'grinned and beared it' when I'd got minor injuries when I was younger.

'Playing through a knock' is short-sighted macho bollocks.

Grendel said:

O hare and Bidwell should have played, he’s sometimes so stupidly arrogant, he’s made a huge error of judgement regarding Dasilva and palmer and needs to own it and ship them out

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Definitely agree about Da Silva, Palmer i think makes more sense as he knows Ohare wont be here next season and i suspect wanted a good look at Palmer so he can make a decision about that no 10 role (i.e how much to be asking for to spend).
Id keep Palmer as a back up, but clearly we need better in that position, significantly better.

shmmeee said:

We just don’t have the quality. On song and fit that team has no Kelly, Lati, Palmer, etc. And there’s still questions about GK, CBs and CM. It’s a half built squad basically. Once you lose two or three players, particularly quality players, we lose the edge.

We need to sign 5/6 first team quality players and another 4/5 who have the potential to reach that. We probably have to spend half as much again as we did last summer, if not more.

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New GK
2 x experienced CBs
new DCM as back up to Sheaf/Eccles
new no.10 (if we play same system)
new ST as back up to Simms
New LB as competition to Bidwell

That is 7 players and a minimum spend of around £12m. We are totally reliant on Gyokeres sale

Brighton Sky Blue said:

Looked full strength to me and a strong bench too.

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I saw about 30 of them warming up before KO!

clint van damme said:

It's possible for some of the things you've mentioned to be correct and for fatigue to be a factor, it doesn't have to be one or the other.

But I will keep banging on about squad size, if we don't increase it we won't go anywhere.

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Do why did he agree to let Fadz go then. Robins is the architect of the majority of this tiredness. His use of substitutes is piss poor at best. There have been numerous occasions this season when he could and should have done something with the subs. Today was just another example.
It’s true Robins has been the saviour of this club but somethings he needs to look in the mirror to see what the problem is.

SAJ said:

Do why did he agree to let Fadz go then. Robins is the architect of the majority of this tiredness. His use of substitutes is piss poor at best. There have been numerous occasions this season when he could and should have done something with the subs. Today was just another example.
It’s true Robins has been the saviour of this club but somethings he needs to look in the mirror to see what the problem is.

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Da Silva playing so many games ahead of Bidwell cost us promotion possibly. Robins got that call massively wrong.

wingy said:

I saw about 30 of them warming up before KO!

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There were that many of them they literally had 2 team coaches.

Nick said:

We will get rid of Bidwell instead.

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That’s why teams like Ipswich will overtake us even if they were a whole division below us not long ago.

no_loyalty said:

Not sure why Allen is not getting a run out, he has hardly played so can’t be tired.

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Looked miles off the pace vs Hull, second to every ball

SAJ said:

Do why did he agree to let Fadz go then. Robins is the architect of the majority of this tiredness. His use of substitutes is piss poor at best. There have been numerous occasions this season when he could and should have done something with the subs. Today was just another example.
It’s true Robins has been the saviour of this club but somethings he needs to look in the mirror to see what the problem is.

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I don't think we could have played Fadz in a 4 and if he had the chance for 1st team football and wanted to take it then I dont think you can stand in his way but we're clearly missing his leadership.

clint van damme said:

I don't think we could have played Fadz in a 4 and if he had the chance for 1st team football and wanted to take it then I dont think you can stand in his way but we're clearly missing his leadership.

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We have no natural leader . As someone posted before we could do with a player with a nasty streak . I would like to see an older experienced CB maybe on loan to help address the defensive issues.

Evo1883 said:

But that's what I've been saying clint , we've had an fa cup run and they are professional athletes paid thousands , they should get on and do their job , we haven't been tired since Preston.. we need to stop with this nonsense we've been shit end of story

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Tell Robins to stop the nonsense then.

clint van damme said:

It's possible for some of the things you've mentioned to be correct and for fatigue to be a factor, it doesn't have to be one or the other.

But I will keep banging on about squad size, if we don't increase it we won't go anywhere.

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This.

Grendel said:

Spoken like a true non fan who doesn’t go to games or actually gives a fuck

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Haha cry more.

PVA said:

Haha cry more.

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His meltdown over his favourite player leaving after years of dishing it out to anyone who dare say a player isn’t shit is absolutely delicious.

shmmeee said:

His meltdown over his favourite player leaving after years of dishing it out to anyone who dare say a player isn’t shit is absolutely delicious.

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Gets to combine that with slating the manager he hasn’t praised once in the last 7 years.

no_loyalty said:

Not sure why Allen is not getting a run out, he has hardly played so can’t be tired.

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Personally don't think k he's good enough for a team trying to gain promotion.

shmmeee said:

His meltdown over his favourite player leaving after years of dishing it out to anyone who dare say a player isn’t shit is absolutely delicious.

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It's quite wonderful to see.

Brighton Sky Blue said:

Was certainly good enough last season.

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So were Wilson and Godden. I just don't see Allen featuring next season, we're out growing these players.