Discussion in 'Coventry City General Chat' started by CCFC54321, Mar 19, 2017 at 11:37 PM.
You say this from experience of playing football at this level. Former player?
Sorry had a bit of lunch. Seems the last comment confirms my view. Even Robins says players are tired/ jaded. Not just Mickey Mouse Cup games just the whole season.
No I say it from common sense.
Which players in particular are so tired and why? I guess the fact they aren't fit enough doesn't help.
Thanks for that comment. Nick needs educating
You're going in circles mate. Collectively
The amount of time Grenduffy spends on here during the week supposedly earning 100k.p.a.
What circle is that then? That it's not an excuse?
I can understand if we are talking players who have done 40 - 50 games are tired, but 19-20 year olds making 20 or so starts? Pro athletes?
Thats up to now as well, it isn't going back the 10 games at least where they have looked "tired".
Using their age and that they are growing and tired etc is a poor excuse.
I earn 100k too.
Just takes me 10 years to get there that's all.
Find a sports scientist. Loads of studies done. Our current situation is not helped by a dependence of too many young players. Same happened with our last relegation, ask Andy Thorn. You would thought Fisher would've learnt from that mess.
Studies about what? Young players not being able to play 20 games a season because they are too tired?
You are making out all of our team are toddlers, isn't Jones the youngest player? Age isn't much of an excuse for being tired.
It's the general attitude of players rather than their fitness, if the 20 year olds really wanted to be footballers then they could look at 20 year olds who have played most games league and cup and still want to win games like it would kill them to lose.
I would suggest they're mentally tired rather than physically tired, bearing the scars now of a team that has been in relegation form for 15 months!
You have worn me out. You just can't see through the mist clearly enough. So continue to talk soon. Good chatting, time for work again. Ta
No, I can just see that saying a 19 or 20 year old is still growing isn't an excuse for them being "tired" after 20 or so games. Poor little lambs.
Yes they are, but a mixture of both. In 'normal' football teams kids would be brought into teams slowly and a few starts. At this club they are in. Jodi Jones is treated in a more balanced way. Even now Mr. Fisher has recognised our heavy reliance on kids. 2 relegations too late. You win nothing with kids. Why say this?
Can't be arsed to copy and format it, but go look at the Man Utd 95/96 squad and see how many games their kids played in one season. And that was without the last 20 years of sports science behind them.
Tired my arse.
Don't forget to add in quality into the equation. No upset ment by this one. Our lot are not Man Utd standard by a long stretch. Sorry lads.
Surely fitness is separate from quality though? A shit player can be the fittest on the pitch.
How many times have we heard from a new manager that the team arent fit enough. Puts the blame on the previous manager(s). What he means is dont judge me on the rubbish i have inherited see how we start next season. I dont have a problem with that but just wish people would say what they mean.
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We are talking fitness / tiredness here and the "growing bodies".
That's true. Reminds me of Paul Telfer.
Lee Burge is the same age as Westwood when he signed for us and had already played 100 games.
Willis has been a pro for years. Haynes is 22 this year the same age as another player whose agent was bitching and moaning he wasn't playing enough games.
Last years two most successful players fall into the age group as well. Armstrong has played 22 championship games this season and Murphy 34 games. I suggest you get hold of child help line and report Barnsley and Norwich for their child slavery crimes.
Strange then after Xmas both Murphy and Armstrong seemed tired, lacked fight or pace. Many fans wondered why. Burn out?
Additionally I added a further question of quality levels. If you are in a team that can pass, rather than give the ball away. You work less in a game. Let the ball do the work, kinda thing. We are constantly chasing the game using more energy. Better teams with kid less burn out. Less quality more running. You get me.
Much like Telfer are current team give away ball to oppo constantly. Like Telf we are always chasing balls. More possession of the ball less work trying to retrieve. At least Telfer used to get most of his way word passes back. This lot it ends up in our goal. Constant work chasing.
I'm afraid I don't believe in the resting of youngsters but I do believe our lot have a losing mentality. I think it is 20 years since Hanson made his 'you won't win anything with kids' speech. Of course giggs, beckham, the nevilles, scholes, butt et al (all as young or younger than our current crop) went on to claim the league title and represent their countries. Not jaded...just successful.
Not really no. I'd expect the likes of Haynes, Willis to be considered as first team contenders every game or they are surplus to requirements.
Mentioning Burge at 24?
Stevenson has hardly featured since the turn of the year and Jones even less so.
Hey where are they getting the pies from?
Show off it takes me twenty...mind you I do go on a lot of holidays
Have you considered all the U23/U21 games they have also played.
Have you also considered that training with the first team of hardened players (whether they are crap players or not is not the point) who have been through many pre seasons takes its toll.
Have you ever played a game of football at a decent level.
How much they earn is irrelevant to their body physics.
Armstrong form has dipped alarmingly at Barnsley over last few weeks. Also, as you say, he has played 22 games. Rested/injured for 14/15 games due to worn out.
Only 100k, not worth getting out of bed for.
Playing with quality players and a quality manager can work with kids. Not in the lower league it doesn't. As we can see here. Less quality with lesser managers. Anyways there will always be an exception to the rule
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