Another Paris attack

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  1. SkyblueBazza

    SkyblueBazza Well-Known Member

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    America & Russia are pribably the source of more terror than the rest of the world put together. You only have to look at the number of shootings in America to tell you that. Anyone welding gun anywhere beyond a firing range is probably causing terror to someone.

    People just get hung up because of media reporting methods...contrast "Radicalised man with a gun shot dead by police" with "Armed man killed by police".

    ...onwards & upwards PUSB
     
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  2. dancers lance

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    I particularly admire the BBC for the way they punish the least well off in our society, I take must enjoyed from the fact that they use threatening mail campaigns and "bailiffs" to lie and harass them. They do I good job of talking these people to court (1 in 10 of every court case in the UK is TV licence related) and getting them fined.....Bravo!
     
  3. SkyblueBazza

    SkyblueBazza Well-Known Member

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    I agree to an extent...though I wonder how many of these poor members of society have old fashioned &/or low spec modern TV's - how many of them have satellite/cable TV too?

    No idea myself but wherever I go I see loads of satellite dishes in less affluent areas.

    ...onwards & upwards PUSB
     
  4. dancers lance

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    You can buy a decent TV for the cost of the licence these days, perhaps some people just have to make a choice. I wouldn't begrudge anyone getting a little enjoyment from owning a half decent TV, perhaps the less fortunate in our society should only be allowed to watch black and white portables, or stand in the street staring through windows at other peoples TV's.
     
  5. Earlsdon_Skyblue1

    Earlsdon_Skyblue1 Well-Known Member

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    Why such an aggressive response?

    The left says terrorism has no religion. Although it looks seemingly that a lot more terrorism/barbaric attacks are commited in the west by muslims for their religion than say buddists, sikhs, or hindus. It's open to debate, but I think any realist would look at that above statment and agree with it.

    A muslim guy hacks off the faces of two people in broad daylight and the left leaning msm don't report it. Had the background or tongue of the perpetrator been different, would it have been reported?
     
  6. SkyblueBazza

    SkyblueBazza Well-Known Member

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    Nor do I begrudge them a TV for a little pleasure. It's all about accepting responsibility to live within the mainstream accepted rules. Anyone buying a TV to watch knows full-well that they need to buy a licence, full-well that there are detector vans about & full-well they risk being fined by not having one.


    ...onwards & upwards PUSB
     
  7. SkyblueBazza

    SkyblueBazza Well-Known Member

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    Your view of what constitutes aggression is clearly as warped as your view on Muslims.

    As I pointed out in another post just because horrific offences are committed by someone of religious persuasion makes them no more newsworthy as horrific offences by non-religious people.

    I can assure you that the vitims care not for the background or reasons they are are targeted by the maniac that attacks them.

    As I said in another post...gun-toting Americans commit a massive number of offences in the west (including murders), that constitute terror for the victim. The difference in the level of horror of the attack is mostly felt by those left behind.

    You're still more likely to be maimed in the street by a bad/drunk/drugged driver than by a Muslim.

    ...onwards & upwards PUSB
     
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  8. NorthernWisdom

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    Academic analysis backs up your observations.

    It also suggests the BBC is more accurate as a result.
     
  9. Earlsdon_Skyblue1

    Earlsdon_Skyblue1 Well-Known Member

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    What is my warped view of Muslims?

    You clearly did get upset by my post because your response was very jumpy. I don't know why.

    I'm not saying in the US that Americans don't commit more gun crime than anyone else, I'm just saying that when it comes to barbaric attacks/attempted attacks/terrorism offences that muslims are overrepresentated in the population for these crimes. That's not tarring everyone with the same brush either before you jump on that one...

    Of course if a relative of mine got hit by a drunk driver, or got sliced up by a mad jihadi, my feelings towards the perpetrator would be equally unforgiving.
     
  10. SkyblueBazza

    SkyblueBazza Well-Known Member

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    "Although it looks seemingly that a lot more terrorism/barbaric attacks are commited in the west by muslims for their religion than say buddists, sikhs, or hindus. It's open to debate, but I think any realist would look at that above statment and agree with it."

    That seems to me to fall prey to media agenda. There may be a great many other religiously motivated attacks that just simply don't gain the same coverage.

    I used the word 'warped' as there was absolutely no aggression in my responses. In fact I might be entirely accurate in saying much fewer than 0.5% of my responses have aggression attached.

    ...onwards & upwards PUSB
     
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  11. Earlsdon_Skyblue1

    Earlsdon_Skyblue1 Well-Known Member

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    That statement I made (which you have quoted) was not warped in the slightest. It's a pretty common view with a lot of people feeling the same.

    The media almost doesn't come into it unless you preach the mail/express, which most normal people don't.
     
  12. SkyblueBazza

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    Well you can say what you like - to me you might have a warped view of 'normal' as well. Especially if everyone that disagrees with your thoughts you try to belittle with some hinted snide suggestion they are Express or Mail readers...which are tabloids...which still massively outsell the broadsheets.

    ...onwards & upwards PUSB
     
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    You've completely condradicted that.

    How can I supposedly have warped views of muslims, then class the righty newspapers as something different to my views and belittle them in response to arguing with you? What you said literally made no sense.

    My quite balanced views in criticism for both sides gets shouted down a lot on here. Mostly by the left, it must be said.

    I'm not belittling anything you said, I just disagree with a lot of it. I also believe a lot of people are worried about terrorism, particularly from radicial muslims, and I don't see how that is warped or beyond normal either.
     
  14. dutchman

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    Very true, but they're not so worried as to object to their own government interfering in the internal affairs of muslim countries and very often creating the terrorists of which they are now so afraid.
     
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  15. SkyblueBazza

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    Personally I don't read the papers...I see enough from their headlines to form a view of over-stating or sensationalism.

    I suspect you might be pointing an accusation of me being a lefty too now.

    Your assertion about general fear of radicalised Muslims is true, at least in part. My opinion is that this is created through the media of all types in their sensationalist approach.

    The overwhelming majority of Muslims I reckon are equally as appalled by the acts you speak of as you & I. I wouldn't say I live in fear of this very tiny minority of radicals. The fact that 99% (= normal or severely deluded?) of us simply continue with our daily lives suggests the normal view is horror for the crimes committed but, business as usual...normal.

    They (radical Muslims)...are overall an equal threat for death & serious maiming as anyone else with a particularly extreme view.

    ...onwards & upwards PUSB
     
  16. SkyblueBazza

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    Can't include me in that. I am opposed to such interference as it is largely aimed at grabbing more wealth for the chosen few rather than the greater good.

    ...onwards & upwards PUSB
     
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    I'll be there in three weeks. Want to see the Musee D'Orsay, eat some ace cheese and not be killed
     
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  18. covcity4life

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    sad world
     
  19. ccfc92

    ccfc92 Well-Known Member

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    You're right, the chances of getting caught up in something is remote.

    If you've never been there before, you'll love it :)
     
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    ccfc92 Well-Known Member

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    Just about. We stayed by Champs Elysees too
     
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    Terrorist attack confirmed
     
  24. Nick

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    Fuck sake. Even on high security theres no stopping it.
     
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  25. ajsccfc

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    Security services were apparently aware of him and his plan to attack police. Jumped out of a car and started firing.
     
  26. ccfc92

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    Good old BBC.

    I think they changed that link shortly after I posted it.
     
  27. fernandopartridge

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    Have you been to Oldham or Bradford, or any town with a large muslim population? Integrated they most certainly are not. Live here, yes.
     
  28. covcity4life

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    there are certainly issues about intergreation, this has been like this for years. not something sikhs or hindus get accused of too much i notice though.

    thing is intergrated or not i still dont see the majority of bradford or oldham hatching terrorist plans. it will still be a tiny minority. also lets not pretend the non asians in oldham and bradford are nice as pie and just wanna get along lol. unfortunetly thats something that needs to be fixed now but we wouldnt see results for a decade or so with kids growing up together and realising each other are not evil.
     
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    I did hear that the advent of Skype has brought ultra conservative attitudes of Pakistan into families in the UK.
     
  30. Gazolba

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    If you have money, you can afford to buy things, if you don't, you can't. It's always been that way.
    Of course, you could have a society where everyone is entitled to a free colour TV. But where does it stop? Do they get a stainless steel fridge, a dishwasher, a new car, new clothes? And who pays for it? The taxpayers of course, and with fewer and fewer people working to support the rest of society, where does it end up?
     
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    Musee D'Orsay is great; once spent a whole day in there and it still wasn't long enough. And the clock face cafe is genius.
     
  32. ajsccfc

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    Yeah, loved that and Musee Rodin. Didn't bother with the Louvre as the idea alone seemed too tiring
     
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    Apparent;y a bloke arrested in London today with loads of knives :(
     
  34. NorthernWisdom

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    Wonder if he's trying to affect the share price of anybody.
     
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  35. wingy

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    I'll be over there in a month for a month.
    Have no concern at all though some of the younger lads are a bit apprehensive.
    We haven't done any shows over in Jordan though for the last three years, now taken care of by the local workforce.
     

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