General Election

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  1. Sick Boy

    Sick Boy Well-Known Member

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    Only because the elite have told them so, i would be surprised if the majority couldnt idrentift policies of Labour they dislike. Sadly politics in the UK is becoming more Americanised, much like large parts of the culture.
     
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  2. Philosorapter

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    And here we have everything what's wrong with the Labour right wing.



    Yep, they have actually gone and formed their own party.

    I wonder if they are going to put themselves up for re-election as well?

    It's time to say goodbye to these type of people that are meant to be representing Labour in Coventry.
     
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  3. Ian1779

    Ian1779 Well-Known Member

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    No one gives a fuck apart from the top 5%
     
  4. chiefdave

    chiefdave Well-Known Member

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    Doesn't seem to be the uproar about the Chancellor getting his figures wrong by many billions on the Today show this morning that there was when Abbott made a much smaller mistake.
     
  5. Brighton Sky Blue

    Brighton Sky Blue Well-Known Member

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    To be fair they are commuting from Aberdeen.
     
  6. Brighton Sky Blue

    Brighton Sky Blue Well-Known Member

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    Latest Tory manifesto commitment announced is ending universal free school meals for infants. Tax cuts for millionaires, lunch cuts for infants-good deal.
     
  7. dutchman

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    True, but they probably should if they have a private funded pension.
     
  8. Sick Boy

    Sick Boy Well-Known Member

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    May has also claimed that the decrease in the value of sterling has nothing to do with Brexit.
     
  9. shmmeee

    shmmeee Well-Known Member

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    He's Tory, they get a pass. Only the left have to "cost" policies despite having historically a better record on lowering the debt.
     
  10. chiefdave

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    Don't forget, we're all in this together.
     
  11. Kingokings204

    Kingokings204 Well-Known Member

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    Well she is right. The pound has been falling for 3 years next month. Way before the referendum result. You could argue brexit has sped that process up but to say brexit is why the pound is falling is simply wrong.
     
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  12. Brighton Sky Blue

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    I thought the Tories were economic masterminds?
     
  13. Kingokings204

    Kingokings204 Well-Known Member

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    Far from it as I'm sure you agree. Hearing Diane abbot on her figures for labour is a much better option for the country of course. Made up figures that will work :banghead:
     
  14. Liquid Gold

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    So the chancellor who gets his figures much further from the truth is better then?
     
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  15. Kingokings204

    Kingokings204 Well-Known Member

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    You playing a zero sum game for everyone here.
     
  16. Monners

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    Turns out the Tory manifesto doesn't add up either.

    Wow, what a choice
     
  17. clint van damme

    clint van damme Well-Known Member

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    strange isn't it, they're almost guaranteed to get elected, their manifesto doesn't add up, but it get a fraction of the scrutiny from the right wing press that the Labour one under the leadership of the seemingly unelectable Corbyn gets.
     
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  18. Monners

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    Yep - educational professionals, medical professionals, the Institute of Fiscal Studies were all on earlier saying the same - that it simply doesn't add up.


    Also, scrapping free meals for infant aged kids and using the funding for free food at breakfast clubs. The kids that need those free meals the most are the infant aged children. My wife works at a school with a pre school attached, so I shall take were professional word on it.
     
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  19. theferret

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    ...and the unemployment rate is at the lowest for 42 years. You probably don't give a fuck about that either.

    I wasn't aware only the top 5% had pensions either. Silly me.
     
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  20. clint van damme

    clint van damme Well-Known Member

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    but that does include nearly 1 million people on zero hour contract employment which skews the figures.
     
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  21. theferret

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    The fuss over this is odd. It was the Tories who introduced free school meals for infants. Labour never saw fit to introduce such a measure did they?

    It was a nice idea, but wasteful because it wasn't means tested. I don't see the sense in funding free school meals for the children of wealthy families. Those most in need will still get free school meals anyway - as they always have.

    For some middle/lower income families that do not qualify for free school meals it will be an additional expense - I am in that bracket. I'll have to fund meals for my daughter again, but do you know what, I'm not going to object to feeding my own children - and if I were unable to I would be claiming free school meals anyway and would also be receiving thousands in tax credits every year to support those children. There are much better ways of supporting children living in poverty - ways in which money is properly targeted at those in need. Just like fuel poverty payments going to millionaire pensioners. Where's the sense?

    Would much rather this money be diverted and used as part of a schools investment program. As sensible policy in my opinion.

    BTW, my wife is a year 1 teacher working at a deprived primary school in Coventry, so I guess we'll have to toss a coin over whose professional word we take on it.
     
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  22. theferret

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    No, it doesn't.
     
  23. Grendel

    Grendel Well-Known Member

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    People investing in pensions? FTSE 250 at record levels as well.

    Declining pound to a realistic level is proving great for exporters.
     
  24. Ian1779

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    You know damn well that the only reason the unemployment rate is so low is the sham that is zero hour contracts. If someone was offered 3 hours work a week they would not be classed as 'unemployed'
     
  25. Brighton Sky Blue

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    It was introduced thanks to the Lib Dems, like most good things that happened under the coalition.
     
  26. dutchman

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    You mean like the bedroom tax and the tripling of tuition fees?
     
  27. Grendel

    Grendel Well-Known Member

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    It was a stupid idea and yes I agree the odious Nicholas Clegg was well and truly behind it.
     
  28. theferret

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    Like most people, you don't seem to fully understand what zero hours contracts are.

    Most people on them are happy with the number of hours they work. These contracts are typically used for part time positions to people who want part time positions (students for example).

    They have little impact on unemployment figures, because a student working in a coffee shop on a zero hours contract wouldn't be classed as unemployed if they didn't have that job.

    Nobody would accept a job for 3 hours a week unless that's the number of hours they wanted to work, because they would be better off on benefits.

    I'm not a fan of zero hours contracts where they are abused. I think they are fine in the example I have given above. I think there should be more protection where they are used in a way they were not intended for.

    It's a bit like saying people who are self-employed are skewing the unemployment figures. They don't have 'contracts' with themselves, they have no guaranteed work or hours, but people don't claim they are skewing the unemployment figures.

    If zero hours contracts create more flexibility in the part-time jobs market then they are fine, but I think there should be greater protections too.
     
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  29. Brighton Sky Blue

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    He also pushed for electoral reform, which I assume you disapprove of since it challenges your hopes of a one party Tory state.
     
  30. Grendel

    Grendel Well-Known Member

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    So you believe a majority vote is fair do you so if someone gets 52% of the vote that's case closed and move on?
     
  31. Brighton Sky Blue

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    I believe a party's representation in Parliament should reflect its share of the vote. I also believe that safe seats dissuade voters of other parties turning out and swing seats encourage tactical voting. Neither of which makes our major parties accountable.
     
  32. Brighton Sky Blue

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    Look at what is happening now with nobody to hold them back. The LDs aren't my cup of tea right now but if you look at it across the 5 years they prevented some of the worst Tory ideas coming to fruition.

    Though it is funny to see Grendel agreeing that tuition hikes are bad.
     
  33. theferret

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    It's a difficult one. My instincts lean towards PR - purely on the basis of fair representation. It would lead to a permanent coalition - and this can sometimes lead to stagnation and inertia - but also cooperation and compromise. You'd also have to take the rough with the smooth. At the last election you'd have had 50 UKIP MPs returned (and their % of the vote was probably suppressed because of the FPTP system and that would have led many to conclude it would be a wasted vote. They might reasonably have polled 20% in a PR system at that time). Communists, BNP - they'd all be represented. Perhaps that is a good thing and would represent the true will of the people. No system is perfect, but perhaps we should be careful what we wish for.
     
  34. Brighton Sky Blue

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    The way I see it now the Tories and to a lesser extent Labour are allowed to get away with complacent governance because the deck is stacked in their favour. If their policies are good enough they have nothing to fear from a PR system. I despise UKIP but they deserved far more MPs than they got and the SNP got double what they should have as well.

    If far right or left parties get seats then so be it, it encourages the others to start listening and upping their game.
     
  35. chiefdave

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    Yet the number of people in part time work because they can't get a full time job has not returned to pre-recession levels, nor the number of people in temporary jobs because they can't find a permanent job.

    Not to mention the number of people in work who need benefits is at an all time high.
     

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