Mediation talks underway

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  1. hutch1972

    hutch1972 Well-Known Member

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    Most of your comments would be corroborated by Paul Fletcher and most happened before anyone had even heard of sisu.
     
  2. coop

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    Sisu will go into talks with stupid demands so I don't think this will get done.
     
  3. Grendel

    Grendel Well-Known Member

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    Lol. They demanded Sisu bought the club as their preferred bidder as Sisu promised they would not buy into their little business game ACL
     
  4. thekidfromstrettoncamp

    thekidfromstrettoncamp Active Member

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    Tonight Fisher has reiterated the same 3 points he should stop putting peoples backs up before we start go into the meeting and start from scratch with a clean sheet and negotiate don't demand listen as well see what can be negotiated but still think it will fail on J R 2.
     
  5. martcov

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    That's true.
     
  6. COVKIDSNEVERQUIT

    COVKIDSNEVERQUIT Well-Known Member

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    QUOTE , Tim Fisher says at the trust meeting Joy Seppala is HURTING . You couldn't make it up .
    I'm a small tea pot short and stout when I open my mouth SHIT COMES OUT .
     
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  7. thekidfromstrettoncamp

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    If people think Wasps are struggling why don't Sisu put in a bid for half the stadium(sorry for expecting them to spend money) then we would see how broke they really are. Surely they can put it to their backers for investment into the club after all they persuaded them to buy the club and they have seen what a good job they have done of that
     
  8. Ranjit Bhurpa

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    If he still attends, I wonder if it is as a CCFC supporter or in some official Council capacity? And whilst he's sat there, I wonder if he feels the sense of despair and failure as we nosedive towards Division Four, and did he really do everything within his power whilst in office to ensure a level playing field for CCFC when needed most? Or is there perhaps an overriding feeling of smugness that the vanity project is just about in one piece and hell hasn't frozen over yet.
    Genuinely interested.
     
  9. Captain Dart

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    Does that help the football club, no it doesn't.
     
  10. thekidfromstrettoncamp

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    I do think if I was on the council and put up with the shit being thrown their way by our owners at the time (won't pay the rent, ground to dear going to Northampton e.c.t.) I'd be glad to get shut of the problem before the ratepayers started complaining about why they were propping up A C L
     
  11. Sky Blue Pete

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    He still attends and as a fan he is gutted at the state of the club
     
  12. 1940oldfive

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    thank god for a decent summery, assume tiny tims fan boys will have kittens.
     
  13. 1940oldfive

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    or if they had not bailed us out in the first place.
     
  14. martcov

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    What speaks volumes is that Wasps have a business plan and actually put it into action whilst not upsetting everyone else in the process.

    CCFC don't have a business plan. Or do you call announcing stadium plans within 3 weeks a plan?
     
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  15. oldskyblue58

    oldskyblue58 CCFC Finance Director

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    Would it not an idea to actually question this MP to get confirmation of the claims made
    eg
    - When did this start ?
    - what is the remit?
    - who has he met?
    - who has signed up for it ?
    - the aim of it?
    - timescales?
    - first full meeting set for?
    - target date for conclusion?
     
  16. duffer

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    What does posting this kind of tripe achieve?

    Tim doesn't have any fan boys. There aren't any SISU apologists here either. No one is having kittens but there are a few single-celled organisms having minor spasms, clearly.

    It's sounds a bit like the meeting last night. It's not a competition to see who hates SISU the most. No one likes SISU, anyone who doesn't understand this is too thick to own a computer.
     
  17. duffer

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    Selling to Wasps was patently not in the best interests of the club - look at where we are now. It's not just SISU who can't be trusted.
     
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  18. torchomatic

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    And neither does Lucas and Mutton turning up to matches but you and Pete try to make out how vital that is.
     
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  19. fernandopartridge

    fernandopartridge Well-Known Member

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    Well he can pat himself on the back for the part his council played. Not just with Wasps but going right back before then.
     
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  20. Moff

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    Don't be harsh, Mutton is gutted ;)......like anyone cares. Using a Captain Dart line 'Does that help the football club? No it doesn't'
     
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  21. fernandopartridge

    fernandopartridge Well-Known Member

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    They bailed nobody out. They wanted the stadium built as much as anybody to realise their own regeneration objectives.
     
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  22. martcov

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    Which, tbf, is what councils are supposed to do. Regeneration and job creation is part of their remit.
     
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  23. NorthernWisdom

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    Which yes, can be accepted, but then also runs counter-intuitively to what's best for the football club.

    I'd blame central government myself, for putting ridiculous restrictions onto the councils.
     
  24. olderskyblue

    olderskyblue Well-Known Member

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    So that's why SISU never made a bid for ACl... now we know.
     
  25. Sky Blue Pete

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    I think that's correct about it not being in the best interests of ccfc
     
  26. shmmeee

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    Wait I'm lost.

    The argument seems to switch depending on who is making it and when.

    Is the Ricoh the right place for us or not? If it is, then why the hell did we break the rental deal we had? How can it be made to work on 9k attendances? Why didn't Sisu bid when they had the chance?

    If it's not, and is in fact a "turkey", why is it harmful to the club to not force them to play there?

    Similarly, is owning our own stadium vital? If so, then why is the Butts being considered as it's just a baby version of the deal we have now? If not then why all the fuss about teams that don't own their stadium and the argument being for the last four years that we needed our own place?

    Finally, do we want the council meddling or not? Seems people are celebrating not being tied to the evil council, yet also lambasting the evil council for not offering another joint deal.

    I'd have a lot more sympathy for that side of the argument if you guys could decide between you what exactly your argument is. It seems to change day by day.
     
  27. Sky Blue Pete

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    Not vital at all torch it is information that is relevant to the discussion. Why do fans of decades take decisions that negatively affect the club?

    That's all we agree all parties have blame I'm sure
     
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  28. NorthernWisdom

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    Of course it does, because I'm not somebody else.

    My own view is that the Ricoh should not have happened for the club, but McGinnity and Robinson pushed it through as it provided a stay of execution for administration, and prolonged the chance of fluking a promotion into the top flight and saving their bacon. They pushed the council to get onboard, who could only do so because of regeneration issues (indeed, the vote was only passed after concessions were made to Nellist, that regeneration would play *more* of a part in the project).

    From this point on, the Ricoh was in trouble in terms of its setup, and its stadium management company was doomed to run counter-intuitively to the football club. Now it's freed of that, this is less of an issue. The rental deal had to be broken for the very reason it was harmful to the club. In breaking it, it became harmful to the stadium management company and its owners - inevitable.

    Don't lump me in with anybody else, my opinion is my opinion, and that's *always* been that identity and culture are of vital importance in any leisure body moving forwards. In the short term, a Ricoh deal may or may not be of benefit but in the long term, is it really? I'd argue always that a city centre location would be of immense benefiot to both the club *and* city long-term as it embeds the club int the very fabric of the place it belongs. In the short term, it may be slightly worse finbancially (or may not) but in the long term, this would absolutely help both parties.

    As a wise man once said, space is made place by naming it. Bringing the club into the city makes the city on stronger ground, and gives solid social foundations on which to build.

    It's the social that central government always misses, and forces local government to look at financial first. This means that plans are done for the short-term, not for the long-term. It's an un comfortable truth that local authority practices become more akin to that of hedge funds in the modern world, and this is not a good thing.

    So *I* know exactly what *my* argument is, and I'll leave others to make theirs. Mine is always on space, place, identity.
     
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  29. shmmeee

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    Sorry, your post was a jumping point, not on at you in particular.

    FWIW, my own view is that I don't know.

    I don't know what the financial viablilty of the Ricoh or the club are. I'm not a stadium management company and I don't run a hedge fund. I'm a CCFC fan and I want us on an even keel. If the people that are in the know (the owners) say that we can't make the Ricoh work, then let's find somewhere else. If the owners of the Ricoh can't offer us a deal that works then let's look somewhere else.

    Yet there seems to be this bitterness towards Wasps because "they took our stadium", yet at the same time a belief that the stadium was the cause of all our ills. (FWIW, I don't think your view on the inception of the Ricoh is quite right, but that's another discussion). Similarly there's a belief that CCC want to destroy the club, yet a wish for the Council to do "another Ricoh" with the Butts or somewhere else.

    Rather than getting all emotional, I just wish people would realise that different organisations have different priorities and responsibilities and the only people legally and morally who have a duty of care to CCFC are it's fans and it's owners. CCC's repsonsibility is to the tax payers of Coventry and the cold hard truth is that while a successful club is a nice thing to have, it's not their core business.

    Pete is also right on a personal level that CCC is mostly made up of lifelong CCFC fans, and not in fact cartoon villians.
     
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  30. NorthernWisdom

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    I'd argue that morally, a council absolutely has a responsibility to ensure the fabric that holds the social together is there, and improves. CCFC are in this fabric. Where, worryingly, it gets reduced to nowadays is an either/or of beds in hospitals, or a leisure facility and... that's not right. Intangibles such as wellbeing can more than benefit society, without seeing an immediate, definable result.

    I don't consider this to be an oxymoron in any way. It's pretty clear that the council have been determined to affect regime change at the club. Now, philosophically, I think we'd all agree that's not a bad thing(!) but having seen our owners' previous track record, it was madness... as it is now. Sometimes, pragmatism has to override desire and yes, you could argue Wasps being here is exactly that, but I'd also argue that was a short-term move made in haste, that long-term will cost more than it appears to bring. Asking for a change of approach from CCC is not contradicting the first part of your sentence, any more than asking the club to recognise it needs to work with and not against its local authority, suddenly means we'd be supporting SISU to be here for eleventy billion years.
     
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  31. covcity4life

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    CCC are EVIL
     
  32. Captain Dart

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    I've not mentioned Mutton ever as far as I can recollect and it is Grendel that mentions Lucas repeatedly alleging I know her but I've never met the woman or have anything to do with her. The only councillor I've ever been in contact with is one of the local guys who I hassled to take action clean up a litter problem near where I live, that took me 4 months of emails with photos till finally I got the council to do what was needed.
     
  33. _brian_

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    'finbancially' LOL!
     
  34. oldskyblue58

    oldskyblue58 CCFC Finance Director

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    Why this sudden deluge of reports etc now?

    You hear nothing much about BPA, stadium arrangements, Academy, for months then there are suddenly articles, comments galore in a space of a couple of days ................
     
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  35. Broken Hearted Sky Blue

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    Er because we're going down wouldn't you think
     

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