Mocking ISIS = a hate crime?

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  1. singers_pore

    singers_pore Well-Known Member

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    Yes, that's right. Edinburgh University has accused a law student of committing a hate crime because he ridiculed ISIS on social media. They claim that his words could be construed as being offensive to Muslims.

    The regressives on the left are always telling us that ISIS has nothing to do with Islam. So how can the mocking of ISIS be considered as offensive to Muslims?

    Edinburgh law student Robbie Travers who ridiculed Isis is accused of hate crime
     
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    It's a student who has accused another student and it sounds like it has nothing to do with IS or Islam. More of a personal dispute between the two students.
     
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    Hmmmm.

    Now a scout about this chap shows himself to be a bit of a self-publicist who's renowned for inflammatory views on all kinds of subjects. Opinionated enough for Trump to block him on twitter, it seems ;) He's had others report him to the police for other things in the past.

    So... I'd kind of agree with chiefdave's analysis. Given his volume of provocative posts, it's probably not as simple for the university as simply dismissing a complaint from a student. If they did... they'd be accused of a whitewash (as it were!). If, however, it is as reported... he'll be cleared.

    But it suits his M.O. to get as much publicity for this as possible... which he's done very well.
     
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  4. Captain Dart

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    This culture of censoring strong opinions is a threat to free speech. Slippery slope.
     
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    Thing is, he hasn't been censored yet...
     
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    Seems it’s bollocks spun up by a media hound of a student.

    From the uni:

    I’m a free speech zealot, but the law of the land includes hate speech I’m afraid.
     
  7. Captain Dart

    Captain Dart Well-Known Member

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    It was a hugely regressive step to make it a 'hate crime' to criticise religions, particularly a religion which actually advocates killing others for not believing.
     
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    Hey, like I say, personally I don’t think words should ever be a crime, but I also think drugs should be legal, doesn’t mean I’ll start crying when a dealer gets sent down.

    Also, blasphemy has been a law for longer than either of us has been alive, it’s not a recent development.

    And all religions advocate killing others, that’s what medieval ideology was like.

    Bible:

    Talmud:

     
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    Don't think so. Maybe Abrahamic religions do, does Buddhism, Sikhism, Bahá'íism, Zoroastrianism or Confucianism do so?
     
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    shmee is an idiot when it comes to religion. outright lies
     
  11. Gazolba

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    Its only a matter of time before the police will be able to tell what you are thinking.
    Then it will become a crime to even think certain things.
    The next step after that will be to alter everyone's brain so they cannot think certain things.
     
  12. clint van damme

    clint van damme Well-Known Member

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    I don't know if Buddhism advocates killing those practicing other religions but it's followers in Burma certainly do.
     
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  14. singers_pore

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    No, he's merely been threatened with investigation for a hate crime. For most people such a threat would effectively be the same as censorship as they would be afraid to say the same thing again. Yes, we know how the regressive left operates.
     
  15. NorthernWisdom

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    Well, so far the only knowledge we have is his version of events, which the university denies is why they're investigating him.

    Would you rather if people made complaints they weren't listened to? Perhaps if it were a Muslim advocating suicide missions against students that, too, should be ignored?

    If he's done nothing wrong he'll be vindicated, and it'll give the political career he so dearly aspires to a massive shot in the arm.

    (Worth noting, incidentally, that this chap claims to be left in his beliefs... so as long as we're not tarring all 'left' with the same brush, as happens an awful lot around here.)
     
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    This bloke looks like a right nob jockey
     
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    I was going to say dandy but I refer your description.
     
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    Yes I've had no reply to my application for Head of Diversity as yet
     
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    Yes, if the complaints are clearly trivial as the complaint was in this particular case.
     
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    We don't know what the complaint is yet.
     
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    Bet he has a good shampoo.
     
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    So we can conclude:

    He was not investigated for mocking ISIS;
    Edinburgh University have confirmed they would not investigate anybody for mocking ISIS;
    He was cleared of any wrongdoing in this investigation anyway.

    But no, far better for some ridiculous media whore to whip up a controversy that's salivated over by righties, where it fits their agenda of opposition and confrontation, doing far more damage to equal rights movements and, for that matter, any fight against extremism.
     
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    The way the media are telling us about Burma is outright lies. They are literally painting one side of the story because it suits their muslims as victims agenda.

    In reality if you do some digging you'll see the Buddists there have frankly had enough and are effectively fighting back. One of my really good friends lives in Yangon and I got the full historical analysis from him a few days ago.

    For the record he's German and actually about as much of a leftie as you, so I promise I'm not making this up! :)
     
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    makes me laugh when you call me a leftie, I'm a small c capitalist, think it probably tells us how far to the right you are!
    So are you going to enlighten us as to what's really going on? It sounds like he is contradicting the UN reports so would be interested to hear what he's saying.
     
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    Perhaps he could tell us what's going on on another thread, so that the Robbie Travers affair gets the attention it deserves ;)
     
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    Go and read up about it. The bile goes about as far as the BBC comment sections. If you go and read up about and come back here saying you still think the muslims are the innocent victims then you'd be outright lying.

    It's totally ridiculous. Just because it's a country the media think no one really knows about, it seems a good oppurtunity to big up the muslims as victims. They started it and have pushed the normally very peaceful Buddists into militant action.

    My views are quite conservative, some would say logical. To the left that basically means I'm literally hitler!
     
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    You seem to think the centre is the left too. I have been described as a socialist by posters on here which is absurd and shows how far to the right they are.
     
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    I think that's probably right. I would put you down as left, but no where near as some on here.

    Anyone slightly right is described as Hitler usually though. It's a bit annoying in debates because it's a bit like playing the man instead of the ball.
     
  31. clint van damme

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    my initial post highlighted that there is un Buddhist like behaviour going on in Burma after Captain Dart said it was a religion that didn't advocate killing, (which he was correct to say, just isn't the reality as with most religions), are you saying there isn't.
    And I have read about it, the UN has described it as ethnic cleansing, you said your German mate who lived their had a different view. I asked you to tell us it.

    No doubt the Rohingya deserve what is happening to them and they are both as bad as each other!
     
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    Well you are certainly not liberal you don't like civil libertarianism which is core to their thinking
     
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    Your last paragraph is pretty much it in one.
     
  34. clint van damme

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    HAHA! This article would suggest different.

    What the Hell Is Happening in Myanmar?

    Intersting that Burmas Buddhists follow Theravada Buddhism which is quite militant and that they hate the Rohingya for siding with the British during the war, you live and learn, (thanks Google).
     
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    If that's your warped interpretation of speaking out against Nazis, then fair enough.
     

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