Religious intolerance

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  1. Grendel

    Grendel Well-Known Member

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    The whole thread is confusing. Surely it's the OP who is showing himself to have religious intolerance and not the other way round?
     
  2. Otis

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    Who, me?

    Not at all if you mean me.
     
  3. Grendel

    Grendel Well-Known Member

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    The term religious intolerance means people who are not tolerant of others and their religious beliefs - the thread I assume is aimed at an anti homosexual religious belief which you are intolerant of?
     
  4. Otis

    Otis Well-Known Member

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    I would say the one mistake I have made here is in the labeling of the thread title. Wasn't actually aware that 'religious intolerance ' actually referred to intolerance of another religion.

    I am talking about the intolerance of one man for seemingly religious reasons.

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  5. Grendel

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    Which means you are intolerant of their religion.
     
  6. Otis

    Otis Well-Known Member

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    Not at all.

    I can see you are gunning for a fight.

    My argument is simply that he believes if you do musicals you are a raging homosexual and that is simply an out and out lie.

    He has come to that reckoning seemingly because that is what he has been taught. He has been taught wrong, because it simply is not true.
     
  7. Grendel

    Grendel Well-Known Member

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    I'm not gunning for anything. However, their religion is anti homosexual - so obviously anything they would associate with homosexuality they would vehemently oppose.
    I assume from your post you believe anti homosexual views are wrong even if they are from a religious perspective. No?
     
  8. Otis

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    Yes and no. Yes I think they are wrong, but I respect their views.

    Doing musicals doesn't mean you are a homosexual though. That is simply untrue.

    The lad just wants to do theatre and his dad won't let him because he mistakenly believes that if you do musicals you are a homosexual.

    It's untrue.
     
  9. Grendel

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    But you also did another thread about religion and homosexuality didn't you?

    So you do believe if religious ideology believes homosexuality is a sin then the persons of that religion are allowed to ban them from their premises?
     
  10. Otis

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    I'll not argue with you. As always it will be totally pointless.

    I know people who do musicals and have done musicals and they are not homosexuals. There have also been many famous womanisers who have done musicals who are not gay.

    It's a nonsense.

    The lad is not religious. He is very Westernised and is completely baffled and perplexed and now hates his dad over this.
     
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  11. skybluedan

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    I don't know anything about religion and don't care about anyone's views on it and if a conversation was started about anything on it of any form I would walk away . Find it very strange that people are so into something which is obviously made up, and the most evil things that go with it in the world, No thanks

    Edit did watch two nun lesbians online recently and I was quite into that though

    Edit. One way to look at it is that it's his son so?
    Another the guys a dick?
    People are strange religion or not
     
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  12. Astute

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    If someone is so anti something what are they doing moving to a country where it is accepted then creating shit because of it? It would be like me moving to a country where alcohol is outlawed and moaning like f#ck that I couldn't have a beer where and when I wanted.

    If you go to a country you should respect their laws. If you don't like them don't go.
     
  13. Gazolba

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    I'm pretty intolerant of all religions. I believe they were invented to keep people subservient to a more powerful elite.
    They have caused more evil in the world than just about anything else.
    The only 'religion' anyone needs to follow is "do unto others as you would have them do unto you". So give this post a 'like'.
     
  14. Otis

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    It's a fair point, though I can obviously understand it when people are trying to escape persecution and their lives are at risk.

    A free choice I don't understand so well at all.
     
  15. Otis

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    As a friend of mine always said, religion is just a means of suppressing the masses.

    I do know some lovely people who are religious, but it's the organised, dictatorial religions I am most irked by. The thou shalt not do this, thou shalt not do that. Cats in stone, immovable.

    The world has moved on. We have a much better understanding of things now and we are better educated. Science has explained so much too.

    I just find it strange that people can live by the 'letter of the law' and accept every single word from a book written by men, for men thousands of years ago.

    I think Sky Blue Pete on here has it just about right.

    My next door neighbours are devout Christians and you could never wish to meet a nicer family. They really are lovely.

    I do believe though they have an understanding of how the world is today and they have an acceptance of it too.

    I honestly believe that if one of their daughters ever said they were gay they would be very supportive and understanding.

    I have respect for religions, but do not like 'the unwavering, nothing is going to change, no matter how much evidence you throw at me' people.

    Quite clearly you are not homosexual because you play a street urchin in Oliver or one of the Von Trapp family in Sound of Music.

    This case here has me riled because this boy is clearly talented and I just wonder where he is going to find this 'classical' drama group his father seeks, where there will be no gay characters or homosexual references etc.

    Would say to be honest, he would be much better off letting his son do musicals, where for 99% of the time it is boy meets girl, boy falls in love with girl, girl and boy get married.
     
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  16. Astute

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    Only valid if they came here directly or were brought here without choice. The vast majority choose to come here. They go through many safe countries to get here. Then when they get here some question our laws and use their religious beliefs to have a go at certain sections of society.

    If they can't stand the thought of living in communities where someone being gay is accepted they know where the door is. The problem is most of these countries are those that they are escaping from. So what does that tell you?
     
  17. Astute

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    My wife is a Christian. She comes from a Christian family. I am athiest. It took many years for her mother to accept me. I think she expected me to be into devil worshipping or something.
     
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  18. Otis

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    I just know if I went to a country that banned alcohol I wouldn't drink there. I would abide by their rules and if I didn't agree with them, or accept them, or felt uncomfortable with them then I wouldn't stay in that country.

    Gays have been around for a little while now and have been increasingly embraced by society in the West generally, to accept that way of life over the past 4 decades.

    No-one coming to this country would be unaware of the gay bars and civil partnerships and acceptance of actors and singers (such as Elton John) here and the representation of gays and lesbians in film and on tv and in literature.

    The main thing that bugs me here is, that it is fine for this guy to hold this view, if that what he truly believes, but he is enforcing that view upon his poor son, who has accepted our way of life and who has developed an acceptance of homosexuality and an understanding too. He is very happy with the way to life and our 'belief' system over here.
     
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  19. Astute

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    Even if you felt persecuted in your own country and travelled through several safe countries to get there? ;)
     
  20. Otis

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    If I did that I would probably be completely rat arsed throughout all those countries.
     
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    Bet you wished u hadn't bothered
     
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  22. Otis

    Otis Well-Known Member

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    Yup!
     
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    Yes, I know, I went to the last supper tour, but I genuinely think that this will be it. I don't think Iommi is well enough anymore, I know he keeps coming back to the UK for treatment on his cancer
     
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    We are ALL subservient to a powerful elite, it has nothing to do with Orthodox Religions which, at their core doctrines, are peaceful and completely non-pontificating.

    Every religion has it's 'extremist' branches, which manipulate the original doctrines to serve a more aggressive agenda.

    As a Christian, I'm certainly not intolerant to anyone of any religion or sexual orientation.
     
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    Marx and Freud thought religion made up and part of elite manipulation of the masses.
    These became standard tropes of sociology lessons but were debunked over a century ago.
    Religion, the evidence of anthropology suggests, evolved over thousands of years as answers to human questions and needs. Now it is perfectly sensible to argue that science and reason have replaced the need for these "answers" from religion. It is also true that religion has been used and abused by rulers, priests and scoundrels to control the people but religion is an expression of all that is best and all that is worst in humanity. It is the essence of human, warts and all.
     
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  26. Otis

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    Wish they would release a version of the Bible 'Warts and All.'
     
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    Their is only ONE GOD and thats me.............Well thats what the ladies tell me anyway....wink wink :)
     
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    Probably the wrong thread ;) but genuinely hope it is it - not because I wish Iommi ill(!) and would rather it was for other reasons, but the amount of times they seem to do final final shows... concerns me.

    Legacy is perhaps overrated as a concept, but they've got a hell of a one, and not sure keeping doing the last evers helps.
     
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    What i find most worrying is that the principal of the theatre group is checking your forum posts for accuracy.
     
  30. Otis

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    The principal wouldn't know football if one came up and smacked her in the face.

    She does arts and does not do sports, so I think I am safe.
     
  31. covcity4life

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    this thread has become like brexit again

    now dumb chavs are giving their opinions on religion instead of politics and we all know what a mistake brexit was!

    you would think chavs would learn from egg on their face
     
  32. lifeskyblue

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    Surely it is organised religion that is intolerant and those that blindly follow rather than those who rationally oppose. Organised religion can only survive if it indoctrinated its followers to follow and believe in 'the truth' whether that truth is about homosexuality, the role of women, food laws or even in omniscience, omnipotence and omnipresence.
    Individuals may believe homosexuality is wrong for a number of reasons or that the roles of women should be separated out from men but it is organised religion that tells people they must believe/do or be damned.


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  33. wingy

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    There was an extremely enlightened two parter on BBC2 this week.
    Muslims like us well worth a watch on catch up If you missed it.
    Whether It was truly representative I don't know as there would have to have been a selection process, but demonstrated poles of varying opinion from relaxed to extreme.
     
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  34. Otis

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    Will suss it out. Cheers, Wingy.

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    It was very good Otis!!
     

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