The Butts - CRFC Confirms it is willing to join mediation talks

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  1. dongonzalos

    dongonzalos Well-Known Member

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    There was investment in place for the new stadium aswell. You may recall, Joy had the people with cash ready to go and she was excited about the project.
    Not to sure what happened with that really.
    Anyway let's forget that we have been promised this all before we will be at the Butts!!!
     
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  2. bradwellskyblues

    bradwellskyblues Active Member

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    I just felt it should of been challenged and was an opportunity missed sadly people understandably got carried away



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  3. Captain Dart

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    Apparently it isn't only monkeys that can be fooled by the same trick twice.
     
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  4. singers_pore

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    It doesn't matter how many times TF tells lies about his new stadium, there will always be some people who give credence to what he says. I guess some people are just unbelievably dumb.
     
  5. 1940oldfive

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    you forgot the r in pick
     
  6. 1940oldfive

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    suggest we ask the owners of the Butts if they are interested in this grande scheme
     
  7. Otis

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    This is the big fear. Grand initial plan, very tight space and massive opposition.

    What are we going to do as a club if we sign up for something that ends up being way below expectation and quite possibly less than 10,000 capacity.

    We would be then consigning the club to the lower leagues for many, many years to come.

    I wish there was the space there. I wish the feasibility was there. I wish Wasps would bugger off so that if we did move to the Butts it would very much be a temporary measure and we could return to the Ricoh as owners down the line.

    This is all wishful thinking though and I think the Butts plan would be doomed to fail.

    Be great if that retirement village wasn't there, but it is. Right smack bang next to the stadium and very literally a stone's throw away and an underarm throw at that.
     
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  8. AFCCOVENTRY

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    It will be ideal for Tudgay...
     
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  9. italiahorse

    italiahorse Well-Known Member

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    He has the investment but CRFC would own the stadium and CCFC would rent it.
    Seems he as duped CRFC as well.
    Can't see most CCFC fans falling for this.
     
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  10. AFCCOVENTRY

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    Here's a scenario if the Butts redevelopment happened. I can't see anything happening this year. Loads of planning permission hoops etc to get through.

    Say they start next year in 2018 and it takes 2 years complete.

    We could be back in the Championship from our L2 bounce (doubt it will happen but in theory).

    The new stadium is built based on 10k supporters. By the time it's built and ready we are in the championship. The crowds will go up back to 14-15k.

    It doesn't make sense. We would really need to understand what the initial capacity of the Butts would be. At the moment Fisher is saying anything between 7k to 25k.
     
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  11. clint van damme

    clint van damme Well-Known Member

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    that photo is missing the retirement village and the new flats.
     
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  12. Sky Blue Pete

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    Complete dreamland thinking. By the time there is agreement we will be a conference club and the current set up at the Butts will be fine
     
  13. NorthernWisdom

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    I agree.

    If it did turn out to be possible, and if they did do it, it'd be fantastic.

    So let's get behind the idea and push them with unstoppable mmentum to show it is possible.

    And then having shown it is possible, with the will of the people behind the idea, it'll happen.
     
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  14. Otis

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    It's not possible though. ;)

    No way the residents there will stand for anything approaching anywhere even close to the capacity we would need to function above League Two.

    If Fisher is saying anything between 7,000 and 25,000, I think you very much need to be focusing on the 7,000 end of the scale.
     
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  15. NorthernWisdom

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    I'm not an architect, so I'll wait for the architect's plans.
     
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    Residents wouldn't have s choice. Power of objection these days is zero
     
  17. oldskyblue58

    oldskyblue58 CCFC Finance Director

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    I am sure we can all go round in circles about this again but two things need to happen

    - Jon Sharpe & Tim Fisher need to detail and show us the plan, confirm the funding, show viability etc. All the other parties, including the fans, need to say "go on then prove it show us". They have been working on this for two and a half years according to Fisher they must have some detail by now
    - There has to be some sort of partnership formed with CCC by CRFC&CCFC in order to deal with the infra structure problems of the project both in building and operation. No evidence of that only demands for active support. So how will they do that - mediation? what is to mediate if no plan put forward?

    After that we can have a proper discussion of the merits of a move to BPA
     
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  18. NorthernWisdom

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    Of course they do.

    We can't dismiss or accept anything without some actual substance!
     
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  19. Otis

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    Is that true? Really? Honest question.
     
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    Putting aside all the politics, on a technical level, 25,000 is possible. I was speaking to an architect who is also a city fan, and he said it is feasible, but it would require a walkway adjacent to the railway line to create another access point to Albany Road. The Butts already has planning permission up to 11 or 12K, based on quite modest proposals. Traffic congestion is also a red herring because the vast majority would park in the city centre and therefore access would be dispersed around the ring road. There are plenty of centrally located grounds that can be used as an example. St James Park has only 200 on-site parking spaces.

    I don't believe it will happen for lots of reasons. However, lets say a viable, coherent plan is put forward. We would have to decide whether we would back it. Personally, I would, not in support of SISU, but because of the long-term viability of the football club. This goes beyond the financials - and for me is more about club identity and having somewhere to lay our hat and call home (and feel like home). A long term future as Ricoh squatters is a bleak prospect for me. A viable stadium plan that is backed by the fans might also prick the ears of potential investors who might see the Ricoh situation as a massive roadblock. Wishful thinking? Perhaps.

    It won't happen, but that will be down to politics and SISUs inability to get anything right more than the technical feasibility imo.
     
  21. NorthernWisdom

    NorthernWisdom Well-Known Member

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    Agreed. City centre location helps in identity too.

    Completely the opposite to moving onto land at Ansty, say.
     
  22. Gynnsthetonic

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    Would love it to happen,
    Knock the BP garage and the fob watch down to reroute the road,
    Close the road on match days
    Free tickets to residents of retirement village
    From the main road you can see the pitch is elevated and could be sunk down to create a bigger stadium.
    23000 is more than enough for us in the long term, plenty of teams in the prem with similar capacities
     
  23. torchomatic

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    Yep that's how I feel too. Let's just get on with it rather than saying it can't work because.... I know before too long we will be arguing about capacity and that it needa to be X amount. Again, it doesn't matter at the moment.
     
  24. Otis

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    I think with other owners we would be a lot more accommodating in our belief, but this is Sisu and if they were to somehow secure funding and investors I would be a bit concerned as to where the money was coming from.

    And again, as has been said, we still wouldn't own our own stadium. :(
     
  25. eastwoodsdustman

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    Won't we need a 45000 capacity minimum now with the new found support?
     
  26. oldfiver

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    When they bought their properties the search would show the Butts Arena has not just a lease but a Building Agreement attached to it - so it was always intended to be expanded
     
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    Jon Sharp nor CRL have to show you anything!
     
  28. torchomatic

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    Ah this old chesnut. Having a stadium owned by the current owners or whatever is preferable to not owning one at all and renting from someone who has zero interest in the club. Also there would be something tangible for potential new owners to be attracted by.

    Manchester United no longer own Old Trafford. Same for many clubs.
     
  29. torchomatic

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    Similar to those NIMBYs in Stoneleigh and Baginton who buggered up Thomsonfly. The airport was there when they moved in and the stadium was there when they moved into their retirement flats. Get over it I would say.
     
  30. AFCCOVENTRY

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    I wish we built Arena 2000 with the sliding roof.
     
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  31. dongonzalos

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    Exactly after all the false promises of the past even architecture drawings!
    For me to even consider it. I am at the stage where I would need to hear someone not from SISU saying they have seen proof of funds and contracts have been signed with builders.
    Planning submissions agreed and signed off.
    That would be the minimum before I would start to believe.
     
  32. clint van damme

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    the retirement village goes right upto the railway embankment, I don't know if a literally vertical railway embankment would support the train tracks but it would either be that or get permission to build down the side of the retirement village.
     
  33. Moff

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    Residents do have a say but most planning projects these days this has little recourse.
     
  34. olderskyblue

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    What?

    After doing the Accountants and law courses, you didn't then do the architects course? blimey, you must be one of the poorest qualified people on this forum.... ;)
     
  35. martcov

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    What will happen is that CRFC will build/ modify their stadium to fit their future plans. We may or may not be involved. Once again we will be beholden to a Rugby Club. Unless, of course, we buy the head lease of John Sharpe and have any restrictions/ easements removed.

    We are a long way from that scenario.
     

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