The EU: In, out, shake it all about....

Discussion in 'Off Topic Chat' started by jimmyhillsfanclub, Jun 8, 2016.

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As of right now, how are thinking of voting? In or out

Poll closed Jun 15, 2016.
  1. Remain

    23 vote(s)
    37.1%
  2. Leave

    35 vote(s)
    56.5%
  3. Undecided

    3 vote(s)
    4.8%
  4. Not registered or not intention to vote

    1 vote(s)
    1.6%
  1. martcov

    martcov Well-Known Member

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    So leaving the EU is the solution for homelessness? That's easy then.
     
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    No we don't. We can insist EU immigrants have a job and can restrict benefits. We just choose not to because immigration brings growth and growth let's the government use money for shit they like.
     
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    SkyblueBazza Well-Known Member

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    They are choosing to live the way they are. They could seek to stay in any number of nice countries before they get to Calais...and then they choose to stay there

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  5. martcov

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    I thought they wanted to come to Britain, but as we have a border on the French side of the tunnel they were stopped. What happens when the border moves to Dover and the French wash their hands of us?
     
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    That's right...they want to come to Britain for some bizarre reason. They're not likely to be made feel more welcome here as in Spain, Italy, France or Germany...the weather is geberally better in all those places and they may well have already passed through one of them to get here. So after all that they end up living in conditions possibly as bad as which they came from for an unspecified length of time to HERE. Why???

    What do we have in such abundance that they want?

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  7. martcov

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    I thought a lot came to Germany recently and to Sweden. I was not referring to who wants to go where, but where are the people going to end up if they want to come to Britain, but are not stopped in France. The Calais problem becomes the Dover problem.

    Enjoy.
     
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    Scaremongering again. Who are you? Tony Blair?

    The Calais border to the U.K. Is a bilateral deal and has nothing to do with the EU. Yes your beloved EU doesn't like borders remember.
     
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    True but that could change of course.
    Got to say I was pretty surprised that they closed the Jungle down to disperse the issue across the Country.
     
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    Still see isolated groups of Africans walking around near Calais. No prizes for guessing what they're there for.
     
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    Macron has already indicated that he wants to renegotiate the treaty. The swivel-eyed response of "go whistle" is unlikely to work.
     
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    Macron thinks of himself as the new Napolean. He seems to be enjoying a love in with Trump. Anyway you keep telling us the EU is a collective so the little emporers opinions aren't worth much are they?

    So nice though to see you have an ally in your pro Euro stance. The Blair creature is back, you and him have so much in common.
     
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    Except the French see it differently and have talked about ending the bilateral agreement after Brexit.
     
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    It's Britain that wants control of it's borders. I think the French sentiment is ok, there you go, your back in Dover now. Enjoy.
     
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    I don't know. I wasn't talking about any of that...just the fact that they choose to live in the conditions they are living in.

    While I am thinking about your conundrum...the best policy would be to simply send them straight back to France...somewhere deep south like Nice. See how they deal with that!

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    Ahh yes, because Blair is the only pro-EU public figure. Still, if that's enough to 'have so much in common', then you're practically a hybrid of Trump and Farage.
     
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    It's funny that being outside of the EU means that it is going to be much more likely to happen. Perhaps, like with Spain, some Eurosceptic could hint at declaring war?

    Also, those on here claiming it won't happen would be furious if the situation was reversed and calling it to end asap.

    Not sure what their problem is though, he is just taking back control of their borders?
     
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    C'mon that's harsh.

    On Trump and Farage.
     
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    Who is them? How do you send people to a country they don't want to go to and who is no longer your EU partner?
     
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    Is there seriously anyone who thinks Brexit is going to be good for the UK and make its citizens more prosperous?
     
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    Well no one party of the 3 main parties wanted to have another referendum - how did they do in the election again?
     
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    See poster of post 606.
     
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    Only those who earn 6 figure + salaries.
     
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    Labour were tactically astute and outwitted your beloved Tories and diverted the attention away from Brexit. Funny that you seem to be fanatically agreeing with Corbyn and Mcdonell on this one though.
     
  25. SkyblueBazza

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    1. 'Them' are the people that enter the country illegally
    2. Just because someone wants to go somewhere doesn't mean they simply can (like I want a Country mansion...but nobody seems to let have one without conditions - such as money)...so we should deport them back to where they came from (France) to be dealt with, because they aren't seemingly bringing anything we necessarily want or need.

    We have to do SOMETHING to put these people off, the alternative is a constant sizeable influx which could quickly lead to a population of 100million in 10yrs time if we leave it to you (tucked up in spacious Germany I think you've suggested) & your ilk.

    And as I have said before - tight border controls work both ways, if EU countries become awkward with Brits going abroad then the same awkwardness can be returned.


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  26. Grendel

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    Outwitted them so much they still fell 60 seats short.

    I was always aware of Corbyn and Mcdonnells views on the EU. It's a shame those bright young things that voted for him weren't.

    Still I see after Blair we are now subjected to Cleggs delusional rantings. It seems he believes we should have another referendum and under 30's vote twice.
     
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    I thought it was supposed to be a bloodbath and massive landslide?
     
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    What is illegally? People who enter the country illegally are, or should be repatriated. The same in Germany. The problem starts with the sheer volume of cases where people try to prove they are there legally. Then comes the problem of possibly sending them back to somewhere where they may be in grave danger. Then there is the problem of countries who don't recognise their own citizens because they have conveniently thrown their passports away. Then comes the problem of countries just delaying the paperwork for returnees because they are glad they are abroad - either because they are known criminals or could send money home at some future point which would help the economy of their country.

    Having a border at Calais saved the UK to an extent from these problems. If the border moves to Dover it could result in "refugee" camps there.
     
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    Were not the deluded ones the ones who thought Corbyn's labour would be wiped out? As for delusional rantings, I suspect much of the Brexit bullshit will continue to be exposed as time goes on, and that things like "independence day" and a "knighthood for Farage", will turn out to have been "delusional rantings".
     
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    So we need a solution to the problem - not problems to the solution. Sometimes solutions to many problems in the world are pretty unpalatable...like dropping bombs; placing sanctions on nations of people; execution; let the people starve - despite there being more palatable alternatives

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    Which of the above do you think should apply to people trying to get into the U.K.?
     
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    Think he wants to bomb Calais!
     
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    None. I am simply saying something must be done. Otherwise we risk being a very crowded island rapidly descending into an impoverished state within a couple of generations.
    There are far better brains out there that are paid to come up with solutions to issues we face. Sometimes the decisions are a little draconian or unpalatable. They have to be.



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    We need an EU wide solution to mass immigration to Europe. The population of the planet is increasing and the climate is changing. Britain is an island which makes life easier, but we have to accept that we will have to share the burden/ impact - good or bad.
     
  35. SkyblueBazza

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    Legal & controlled fair enough

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