The EU: In, out, shake it all about....

Discussion in 'Off Topic Chat' started by jimmyhillsfanclub, Jun 8, 2016.

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As of right now, how are thinking of voting? In or out

Poll closed Jun 15, 2016.
  1. Remain

    23 vote(s)
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  2. Leave

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    56.5%
  3. Undecided

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    4.8%
  4. Not registered or not intention to vote

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  1. Terry Gibson's perm

    Terry Gibson's perm Well-Known Member

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    It sounds like Star Wars to me all unifying into the first galactic empire under the powers of emperor merkal, I would imagine others will wait to see how this goes and that is why the Eu are playing hard ball.
     
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    Kingokings204 Well-Known Member

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    Half right yeah. The books were made to comply shall we say by the big banks and businesses who want to have Greece round their finger.

    The Germans sell them massive arms sales and as mentioned earlier by me when Greece have received their 3 bailouts it was to help out failing french and Italian banks certainly not the Greek people.
     
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    This shows how pathetic this thread has become. It isn't a debate is it?
     
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    The problem is tourism doesn't spread right through Greece. And it is their big employer.

    As we know you and others go on about low wages here. The holiday business pays a very low wage. They only get enough to get by. And part of the bailout from the EU included reduced pensions. A lot of families in Greece depend on the pensioners money to get by.

    Explaining Greece’s Debt Crisis
     
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  5. Astute

    Astute Well-Known Member

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    Yes because you know more when you actually know nothing.
     
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    Here you go again. You say it isn't such a thing. Now you admit that it is a club. A club that Juncker has control of and keeps expanding.
     
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    Perhaps look at some or your own posts as to why that may be?
     
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    Point them out. You not agreeing with them doesn't make them pathetic.

    I explain my points. All you can do is mention Farage and Boris while also making wild guesses.

    And why not reply to the link I have put up? Must be because it doesn't agree with what you want everyone to believe.
     
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    Wrong there. Astute claims Juncker is the emperor. What he says goes...
     
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    People call it a club because it has rules that people have to abide by - e.g. When leaving.
     
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    Or he is Vader just doing Merkal's dirty work
     
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    It actually does. The government claims a corner has been turned. The population hasn't felt the effects yet. Two quarters in a row Greece has been in plus. Tourism is booming- it's not everything, but it is a start. They have more tax inspectors on the ground trying to get people to pay their taxes. That will bring in more revenue for the government. Let's see what happens... there are some positives..
     
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    So they are in debt because of buying arms? That's it?
     
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    A few positives but many negatives. Try telling those suffering that there are a few positives when they can't even afford to eat.
     
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    Stopping the culture of tax avoidance is what needs to change in Southern European countries to prevent them being in financial crises much of the time.
     
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    No of course that's nots it. I said it isn't. We know the Greeks avoid tax as their national sport which doesn't help but it was confined to Greece and their problem and policticans to sort out. When they joined the euro it became 28 countries problem. Britain made up part of the Greek bailout package. Around 30-50m we gave them in one bailout package and we are not even in the euro and when our nhs is on it's arse.
     
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    The NHS is on its arse because of the government ideology of defund then privatise. It was running a surplus under Labour.

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    I guess a part of that may also be that we had the highest ever net migration between 2013 and 2015.

    More people = more money spent per person on healthcare.
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    Didn't labour privatise first under Blair and new labour with these terrible pfi schemes? Mix that in with mass imigration never seen before in this country.

    Labour has duty to resolve 'mess' of hospital PFI deals, says Jeremy Corbyn

    Anyway it's not the point my point was when the nhs is badly in need should we be giving 30-50 million of taxpayers money to a country and an currency we don't belong to.
     
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    That would be true if those people weren't creating more money for the economy and actually staffing the health service.
     
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    yes he did - he's a c**t, does that excuse the tories stepping up the current defunding so they can sell it off to their private medical insurance mates?
     
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    There is such a shortage of midwives and lack of money in my girlfriend's trust that they are having to be on call despite already working too much and being overstretched. The fact that people make migrants like herself scapegoats is a disgrace.
     
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    Are they? I don't think anyone knows the truth. I am very sceptial about it.

    Yes they take staff jobs and very hard workers and we need them but you also get bad low skilled immigration which is more what people have a problem with. They all have 5 kids and claim thousands in benefits month. We can't cope with our own lazy dossers let alone rest of Europes.
     
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    No of course not but the tories represent these people more so and labour do not or should not that's the difference.

    Tony Blair is the biggest traitor to this country and how he isn't in jail still is beyond me.
     
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    For the millionth time they don't. It's the low skilled benefit scroungers who take up the lions share of housing school placements and gp appointments. It's wrong.

    NOT hard working people who pay and contribute and work who come from any country actually not just the EU.
     
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    clint van damme Well-Known Member

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    I'm fairly sure that the NHS is eligible to claim for treatment of EU citizens from their own health authority but apparently we claim very little - wonder why that is?
    I'm not sure what they arrangement is for non EU citizens.
    I honestly don't think people realise what the American style private health care system is like. If they introduce it over here a lot of people will be in for a fucking shock I can guarantee that much.
    62% bankruptcies down to people not being able to pay their medical bills.
     
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    Yes, but not every European Citizen in the UK works for the NHS.

    This is also net migration too, so it means there are also less people emigrating, and more Brits coming home. The more people there are, the more strain it has on our public services. Either invest more in them, or control immigration a bit more. You can't balance the books otherwise.
     
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    About 0.000001% of the country will use hardworking NHS staff from Europe as scape goats, this is what you don't understand. Either that or you just say it anyway as it is another attempt to guilt leave voters based on a form of racism which has been completely blown out of proportion by a very small amount of voters.

    This is what I'm talking about, you cannot have an honest debate when shitty accusations like that get thrown around.

    My mum was a midwife and she jacked it in mainly because the conditions were appalling and she got treated like shit. There was also a lot of bullying going on. Similar to the hospitality industry, you get that loop hole where there is a market to fill by Brits who don't want to work in those conditions, but for some European workers it is a step up to what they're used to back home conditions and salary wise.
     
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    What proportion of migrants from the EU are not working and claiming benefits?
     
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    Same old line I see.

    Many more people here means we need many more people with certain trades. This includes needing many more midwifes. Are we supposed to not come out with the truth because your partner is from the EU?
     
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    There would be a national shortage of midwives regardless. My parents are also from the EU and both ended up working in the public sector.

    Are they to blame for a housing shortage as well?
     
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    What proportion of migtants from the EU are on benefits of some kind?

    Over 50% of people are on benefits of some kind. These are usually the lowest paid. You keep going on about migrants taking up the lowest paid jobs.
     
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    Whn have I? Evidence suggest that overall EU citizens are net tax payers.
     
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    But the point you’re replying to is that the NHS is only badly in need because of UK government choices on funding.

    Just like high immigration was a UK government choice.

    They must be pissing themselves that they can do why they want in the knowledge that people will just blame the EU. What a cushy job!
     

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