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Kingokings204

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He is just being a tolerant liberal.

That means he is tolerant to every view unless he disagrees with it. For example in his case, gay relationships and Brexit.

I found him an absolute cretin. Wants a second referendum on brexit and his policies are terrible. Good riddance to bad rubbish.

Give him one mark and the BBC tv debate I found him whitty and decent. I get the sense he is just a typical politician and says one thing in front of the camera and gets home and becomes a different man. Probably a big leave voter deep down.
 

Grendel

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Good riddance. A grubby piece of rubbish with zero principals
 

rob9872

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Due to his religion!

It seems to matter not the denomination of the misguided faith, they all act equally as a vehicle to hide unpleasant and outdated views.
 

martcov

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He is just being a tolerant liberal.

That means he is tolerant to every view unless he disagrees with it. For example in his case, gay relationships and Brexit.

Tolerant liberals don't put their faith in a wizard in the sky above their party's liberal policies. Maybe he is in the wrong party. Letting faith influence your leadership is more of a May thing. Perhaps he should defect to the Tories...
 

lifeskyblue

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I found Farron quite likeable. Whilst not agreeing with him on his religious beliefs, his attitude towards homosexuality or his denial of the referendum result (I voted remain but accept the vote was leave) I found him decent and principled. As a leader of his party he never had the same charisma as ashdown, the perceptive intelligence of Kennedy, the gravitas of Campbell or the leadership of clegg. He was ok but uninspiring. Personally think the liberals will never be more than a 10-15 seat party whoever they elect as leader.


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NorthernWisdom

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I found Farron quite likeable. Whilst not agreeing with him on his religious beliefs, his attitude towards homosexuality or his denial of the referendum result (I voted remain but accept the vote was leave) I found him decent and principled. As a leader of his party he never had the same charisma as ashdown, the perceptive intelligence of Kennedy, the gravitas of Campbell or the leadership of clegg. He was ok but uninspiring. Personally think the liberals will never be more than a 10-15 seat party whoever they elect as leader.


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They lost their chance when they went in with the Conservatives
 

Sick Boy

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I found him an absolute cretin. Wants a second referendum on brexit and his policies are terrible. Good riddance to bad rubbish.

Give him one mark and the BBC tv debate I found him whitty and decent. I get the sense he is just a typical politician and says one thing in front of the camera and gets home and becomes a different man. Probably a big leave voter deep down.

His jokes didn't exactly go down too well haha. He even paused expecting their would be laughter.
 

Grendel

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The reason I find him, cable and Clegg so repugnant is their desire to abandon principals for ministerial glory.

I do wonder though why his religious views are an issue and he should have had such an interrogation.
 

Sick Boy

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The reason I find him, cable and Clegg so repugnant is their desire to abandon principals for ministerial glory.

I do wonder though why his religious views are an issue and he should have had such an interrogation.

Fair points. I used to quite like Clegg until the coalition.

What's May's record like with regards to gay marriage and adoption, out of interest?
 

Grendel

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Fair points. I used to quite like Clegg until the coalition.

What's May's record like with regards to gay marriage and adoption, out of interest?

I'm sure you don't need me to tell you.
 

dancers lance

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You have to admire the bloke for telling the truth, religious stupidity has no place in government, I wish a few more MP's could be as honest.
 

Grendel

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Tolerant liberals don't put their faith in a wizard in the sky above their party's liberal policies. Maybe he is in the wrong party. Letting faith influence your leadership is more of a May thing. Perhaps he should defect to the Tories...

In the end though this misses the point doesn't it?

If Tim Farron has a view based off whatever ideology that he is not comfortable with an issue a tolerant society would accept his right to have that view.

It seems there is a very disturbing trend in this country of a national socialist view from the left of suppression of freedom of speech and expression.
 

clint van damme

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The reason I find him, cable and Clegg so repugnant is their desire to abandon principals for ministerial glory.

I do wonder though why his religious views are an issue and he should have had such an interrogation.

you must be raging at the thought of boris becoming PM.
 

RegTheDonk

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The reason I find him, cable and Clegg so repugnant is their desire to abandon principals for ministerial glory.

I do wonder though why his religious views are an issue and he should have had such an interrogation.
Maybe its an excuse to step down after a poor showing, fall on your sword with a bit of grace? I'm surprised he took on the job of leader if there was likely to be a conflict at some point, surely he's been a christian longer than an mp.

Its all about image though unfortunately, Clegg and Vince looked the part and Mrs Miggins will always warm to nice men and nice boys. Unlike that c**t Danny Alexander, I don't think I saw that sour git smile in 5 years of power. Didn't think his face could fall any further - until he lost his seat.
 

martcov

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In the end though this misses the point doesn't it?

If Tim Farron has a view based off whatever ideology that he is not comfortable with an issue a tolerant society would accept his right to have that view.

It seems there is a very disturbing trend in this country of a national socialist view from the left of suppression of freedom of speech and expression.

Who hasn't accepted his right to believe what he wants to? Just that being a member of a tolerant liberal party and believing in a - highly improbable - sky wizard and the teachings of an old book of desert village life doesn't fit that well.

National socialist is the very opposite of campaigning for a second referendum on membership of a multinational organization...
 

Grendel

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Who hasn't accepted his right to believe what he wants to? Just that being a member of a tolerant liberal party and believing in a - highly improbable - sky wizard and the teachings of an old book of desert village life doesn't fit that well.

National socialist is the very opposite of campaigning for a second referendum on membership of a multinational organization...

Surely a tolerant society would tolerate alternate views rather than tell us what views are right and wrong.

If you kept saying Mohamned was s wizard in the sky how long would you last do you think?

The left in society are behaving more like fascists every day in this country. You have to have a certain belief or you are wrong.
 

martcov

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Surely a tolerant society would tolerate alternate views rather than tell us what views are right and wrong.

If you kept saying Mohamned was s wizard in the sky how long would you last do you think?

The left in society are behaving more like fascists every day in this country. You have to have a certain belief or you are wrong.

Who has told you what is right and wrong? The church? You don't have to accept it.

Fascists actually used similar pictures to Farage's flood of immigrants photos. Fascists used referenda.

May is the one praying with the arch bishop.
 

Grendel

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Who has told you what is right and wrong? The church? You don't have to accept it.

Fascists actually used similar pictures to Farage's flood of immigrants photos. Fascists used referenda.

May is the one praying with the arch bishop.

Would you describe peter tatchell as a fascist?
 

martcov

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Would you describe peter tatchell as a fascist?

No. Part of German fascism was forcing gays to wear a pink triangle. I think he would be against that.

I am now under the influence of alcohol.... been drinking my Coventry craft beer... So I'll duck the next question....
 

Grendel

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No. Part of German fascism was forcing gays to wear a pink triangle. I think he would be against that.

I am now under the influence of alcohol.... been drinking my Coventry craft beer... So I'll duck the next question....

Well the youth of today - namely the Natuinal Union of Students have banned Mr Tatchell from student debates at Cambridge and have labelled him a fascist and a transgender phobe

Do fascists burn literature they don't like?
 

martcov

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Well the youth of today - namely the Natuinal Union of Students have banned Mr Tatchell from student debates at Cambridge and have labelled him a fascist and a transgender phobe

Do fascists burn literature they don't like?

That is one of their traits. I don't think they have a monopoly though.
 

Grendel

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That is one of their traits. I don't think they have a monopoly though.

Is an element of fascism the banning of freedom of speech?

If a Christian decided he was not prepared to decorate a wedding cake for a gay couple would s liberal support these people or oppose them?
 

martcov

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Is an element of fascism the banning of freedom of speech?

If a Christian decided he was not prepared to decorate a wedding cake for a gay couple would s liberal support these people or oppose them?

If the people are in business then they are not allowed to discriminate. I have a business and serve anyone - who doesn't offend my other customers by his /her actions. I have banned people for giving a Hitler salute though.

If Tatchell gives a Hitler salute or burns books in my vicinity, then I would ban him to.
 

Grendel

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If the people are in business then they are not allowed to discriminate. I have a business and serve anyone - who doesn't offend my other customers by his /her actions. I have banned people for giving a Hitler salute though.

If Tatchell gives a Hitler salute or burns books in my vicinity, then I would ban him to.

Lol your all over the place. Why was he banned?
 

martcov

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Lol your all over the place. Why was he banned?

Who? The person who gave a Hitler salute in public? Because it is illegal here. I would serve a gay couple. Being gay is not associated with mass murder.

I would also serve Christian bigots as long as they don't interfere with my other customers.
 

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