Why Does Mowbray Escape Criticism? (1 Viewer)

[Earlsdon_Skyblue1]

This season has been a disaster from start to finish. Everything has been a shambles, and there is almost no one that comes out with any credit.

Now being on our fourth manager, they have all had their fair share of abuse and blame, well apart from Mowbray, who not very many seem to acknowledge was part of the problem this year. I am constantly hearing excuses for Mowbray, and a lot of our fans seem intent on defending him. In fact, people are blaming Oggy for more downfalls this season than him, probably shortly followed by the kit man.

Is it just because he did well in the early part of the season last year? All I hear are: SISU are to blame, Venus is to blame, Slade is to blame etc. The transfer dealings weren't his fault, he got us high in the league last year. He walked away with pride (don't make me laugh).

The biggest downfall this season has been the squad. They have consistently performed badly across four managers. Mowbray is accountable for this. He released JOB, Martin, and choose to sell Vincelot. He also decided to pay money for Turnbull and Jones, and also signed Reid who has been a fucking embarrassment along with Bigi.

As I said on another thread, the recruitment in the summer is most of the reason we are getting relegated this year. The managers since have not done a good job either, and SISU do have to be looked at for their involvement. They are not however, accountable for all of it. Mowbray takes some of the blame. Why can't an alarming amount of people see that?

 

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[covcity4life]

hes criticised every day on this forum.

stupid thread looking for likes.

 

[ConnorDevine]

absolutely agree with you, but if we're following the trail back then surprise surprise, many of these signings were Mowbrays last choices and had he been given resources he's likely have never needed to sign them.

Also Turnbull looked like a good signing on paper in fairness

 

[Nick]

If any manager had loads of money and loads of resources they would probably do well, welcome to lower league football where managers have to work on tight budgets and make the best out of what they have / can afford.

It's too easy to just blame resources when you see teams and players with less resources make ours look silly.

 

[Earlsdon_Skyblue1]

hes criticised every day on this forum.

stupid thread looking for likes.

He's defended by you every day on this forum. You are one of many who do as well, not just on here, but in general.

Thread likes? Give me a break.

 

[covcity4life]

your going over the same argument that has been done to death. so what if i defend him? i dont make threads about it do i?

 

[Earlsdon_Skyblue1]

your going over the same argument that has been done to death. so what if i defend him? i dont make threads about it do i?

No, you just poison every thread instead.

 

[covcity4life]

No, you just poison every thread instead.

i dont talk about mowbray unless someone brings him up. another post for likes btw. getting embarassing pal.

 

[skybluedan]

I wish he was still here , an honourable man who was given funds however much that was and he fucked up
He takes some of the blame but for me not as much as the rest of the cunts , but I see people blaming him as well ultimately it don't matter who we blame , Venus , slade , robins past and soon robins future , we will just keep doing the same thing , changing managers blaming cunts , and this will not end with sisu

 

[covmark]

Tbf, pretty much the only person I see on here defending Mowbray is CCFC4L.
It's obvious recruitment was a huge fuck up in the summer.
Having said that, Venus and Slade are fucking useless and I feel sorry for Robins. He's inherited a bunch of talentless losers.
Hopefully he'll realise this and bin them all off and start again from scratch next season.

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[Earlsdon_Skyblue1]

i dont talk about mowbray unless someone brings him up. another post for likes btw. getting embarassing pal.

Haven't you got something better to be doing?

Like trying to lose your virginity?

 

[covcity4life]

Haven't you got something better to be doing?

Like trying to lose your virginity?

oh banter boy is back. ironically anyone who says he 'slays' birds probably has p***hub as his homepage.

 

[rupert_bear]

Of course Mowbray is to blame with others but the main thing I blame him for is keeping quiet about what or who was putting the spanner in the works in the summer recruitment.

 

[Earlsdon_Skyblue1]

oh banter boy is back. ironically anyone who says he 'slays' birds probably has p***hub as his homepage.

Pornmd is better just for the record. It has a bigger variety.

In all honesty though, I really like your contribution to this board, I just said the above to highlight that it isn't very nice when someone makes a personal attack. You've been going for me for a while now. Just cut it out please.

FYI, this thread wasn't an attack on you at all. I keep hearing the same shit echo around and it's starting to grind on me. Everyone involved in the club this season has to take a proportion of the blame in some way, and I cannot see how anyone is exempt from that. Just my opinion.

 

[covcity4life]

when in doubt paint covcity4life as a bully. brilliant.

no one is exempt. thats why every single day summer recruitment is mentioned on this forum. you also have otis(proven dumb) thread about mowbray being worst manager ever etc. so i rly dont know how you think mowbray has escaped criticism.

 

[fernandopartridge]

No, he assembled a poor squad. He is not alone as a manager in this division working with a tight budget, so I wish everybody would stop using that as an excuse. His recruitment since August 2015 has been disastrous.

 

[Earlsdon_Skyblue1]

when in doubt paint covcity4life as a bully. brilliant.

no one is exempt. thats why every single day summer recruitment is mentioned on this forum. you also have otis(proven dumb) thread about mowbray being worst manager ever etc. so i rly dont know how you think mowbray has escaped criticism.

I didn't say you were a bully. I just said I'm getting tired of some of your quite personal jibes.

'Don't listen to Earlsdon, he supports the English Defense League' being one recent event. For the record that is completely not true and makes me look like a bag of shit.

In contrast to the amount of responsibility he had, I do think he has escaped criticism somewhat very well. There are a lot of fans that think he has done nothing wrong whatsoever.

 

[covcity4life]

I didn't say you were a bully. I just said I'm getting tired of some of your quite personal jibes.

'Don't listen to Earlsdon, he supports the English Defense League' being one recent event. For the record that is completely not true and makes me look like a bag of shit.

In contrast to the amount of responsibility he had, I do think he has escaped criticism somewhat very well. There are a lot of fans that think he has done nothing wrong whatsoever.

pretty sure i have not wrote that. if you can find the post that would be nice. or is this some sort of gameplan to turn people against me? very odd

there alot of fans who think jacob murphy was great for us. are you gonna try make everyone agree with your views on everything?

 

[NortonSkyBlue]

Back on to Mowbray, he has to take a big share of the responsibility with his sidekick Venus, that said he is just a part of the problem and if some feel sorry for Robins then a smidgen of sympathy must go to Slade too.
Slade at least brought some of his wish list in and got the team playing "his way" so he too takes a bite of the cake when it comes to blame.
I hate the blame game and the permanent pointing of fingers, it's not achieving anything. We know the owners are fools but I bet they didn't set out to fail and put their faith in managers who delivered fuck all. Unlucky no but architects of their own downfall yes.

 

[stevefloyd]

I really really wish Mowbray was still here to sort out this fucking shite he brought into the club... Boy ohh fucking boy did he drop us right in it... people who came in after Lord Mowbray chickened out have tried to turn a pub team into a professional outfit and failed.. those with blinkered views are mentally insane if they think Mowbray is blameless....cue some jerk replying and calling people nasty names

 

[Nick]

No, he assembled a poor squad. He is not alone as a manager in this division working with a tight budget, so I wish everybody would stop using that as an excuse. His recruitment since August 2015 has been disastrous.

I think people have some sort of idea that every other league 1 team is about buying loads of players or something or just watch too much transfer deadline day.

 

[fernandopartridge]

Our biggest problem isn't what we spend it's what we spend it on. Of course more money would mean we can get better players, but I think we could get better players with the money we've got. We're tending to sign players with the wrong pedigree and almost the wrong mindset, players on their way down rather on their way up. Due to hugely excessive wages that players in the top division get, even players like Turnbull coming from a PL team will be most likely experiencing a pay cut, it asks questions about their motivation.

 

[Esoterica]

Our biggest problem isn't what we spend it's what we spend it on. Of course more money would mean we can get better players, but I think we could get better players with the money we've got. We're tending to sign players with the wrong pedigree and almost the wrong mindset, players on their way down rather on their way up. Due to hugely excessive wages that players in the top division get, even players like Turnbull coming from a PL team will be most likely experiencing a pay cut, it asks questions about their motivation.

That's exactly one of the points that Karl Robinson was saying in his interview discussed on here:
Karl Robinson interview... what the fans want to hear, but players?

He talks about the hunger of players like Ricky Holmes who've come up late from non league vs the motivation of some of the players dropping down from PL/Championship.

 

[Otis]

This has all been done to death, but the summer recruitment was the catalyst to this disaster of a season. It can all be traced back to there.

We recruited dreadfully and assembled a team ill equipped to compete in this league. Slade then came in and made things worse, but we were already bottom 4 by then and for Robins it was all too late to rectify it and the damage as already done.

Can all be traced back to the summer though unfortunately. Clear as day.

Everyone is culpable, Robins apart.

 

[covcity4life]

This has all been done to death, but the summer recruitment was the catalyst to this disaster of a season. It can all be traced back to there.

We recruited dreadfully and assembled a team ill equipped to compete in this league. Slade then came in and made things worse, but we were already bottom 4 by then and for Robins it was all too late to rectify it and the damage as already done.

Can all be traced back to the summer though unfortunately. Clear as day.

Everyone is culpable, Robins apart.

Already bottom 4 but 1 pt from safety. This is in january so a good chunk of season gone.

 

[Joy Division]

I don't think he's escaped criticism at all but quite clearly the absolute monumental fuck up of the second half of last season and the summer recruitment shambles is the main factor we are where we are. Unfortunately Mowbrays man Venus went a continued his work.

 

[Otis]

I don't think he's escaped criticism at all but quite clearly the absolute monumental fuck up of the second half of last season and the summer recruitment shambles is the main factor we are where we are. Unfortunately Mowbrays man Venus went a continued his work.

The bit I don't get is that Venus (quite rightly) said that this squad is not good enough for League One, yet he was responsible for assembling that squad with Mowbray.

In saying that was he basically admitting that he himself was shit?

 

[Esoterica]

The bit I don't get is that Venus (quite rightly) said that this squad is not good enough for League One, yet he was responsible for assembling that squad with Mowbray.

In saying that was he basically admitting that he himself was shit?

Was OSB able to clear up the finances over last summer? I was fiercely critical of the summer recruitment but I'm still unable to get my head around this doing (shit) deals after the season started malarkey. Just still don't think we know the true constraints that Mowbray and Venus had to work under or why he didn't blow the lid on it when he left.

 

[singers_pore]

I said this time last year that Mowbray had lost interest in the job. A decent owner/chairman would have seen that and got someone else in over the Summer.

In terms of the squad, the writing was on the wall when we resigned Tudgay and Ricketts. I knew then that there was some major problem. We then spent the Summer failing to get anyone in. But still there were many posters on here saying there was nothing to worry about because the squad was good enough. The friendly against Sturm Graz made it very obvious that the squad most definitely was not good enough.

I'm afraid this is what happens when you have a disinterested owner and a Chairman who only works a few days per month. I have yet to find any successful organization that has a leadership as dysfunctional as ours.

 

[oldfiver]

I wish he was still here , an honourable man who was given funds however much that was and he fucked up
He takes some of the blame but for me not as much as the rest of the cunts , but I see people blaming him as well ultimately it don't matter who we blame , Venus , slade , robins past and soon robins future , we will just keep doing the same thing , changing managers blaming cunts , and this will not end with sisu

The budget and funds were settled in his favour before he signed up

 

[The Reverend Skyblue]

oh banter boy is back. ironically anyone who says he 'slays' birds probably has p***hub as his homepage.

There's fuck all wrong with having pornhub as your homepage, isn't there !

 

[oldfiver]

I said this time last year that Mowbray had lost interest in the job. A decent owner/chairman would have seen that and got someone else in over the Summer.

In terms of the squad, the writing was on the wall when we resigned Tudgay and Ricketts. I knew then that there was some major problem. We then spent the Summer failing to get anyone in. But still there were many posters on here saying there was nothing to worry about because the squad was good enough. The friendly against Sturm Graz made it very obvious that the squad most definitely was not good enough.

I'm afraid this is what happens when you have a disinterested owner and a Chairman who only works a few days per month. I have yet to find any successful organization that has a leadership as dysfunctional as ours.

What were Anderson and Venus doing then?

 

[oldfiver]

There's fuck all wrong with having pornhub as your homepage, isn't there !

Which religous organisation do you belong to again? :emoji_innocent:

 

[The Reverend Skyblue]

Which religous organisation do you belong to again? :emoji_innocent:

Its a very secret order, I cant go further than that

 

[Grendel]

Was OSB able to clear up the finances over last summer? I was fiercely critical of the summer recruitment but I'm still unable to get my head around this doing (shit) deals after the season started malarkey. Just still don't think we know the true constraints that Mowbray and Venus had to work under or why he didn't blow the lid on it when he left.

As a manager under huge budget constraints would your first action be to retain tudgay and Ricketts?

Probably not. That would eat at the very least £100k of annual wages out the budget - probably more.

The one player it seems they other clubs sought was Reid and I'd imagine he was on a higher salary than most.

I'd guess Sordell was a reasonably high wage as well especially as we've swapped with Beavon who I doubt took a pay cut to drop a division. Sordell wasn't prolific.
Bigiramana was a basket case last season and didn't fit any style of play at all. Why then actually sign him? Probably as it limited any effort to look elsewhere.

The club allocated responsibility to Mowbray and Venus and they didn't cut it. In the end if you've got a wage bill (budget is the wrong term) you adapt to it. It seemed they didn't and decided to sign few players on higher end of the wage scale.

It was just wrong. You wouldn't re sign aged players and you'd develop a salary cap based on numbers required in the squad. Also you'd adapt the squad and style of play to the league.

How could he decide a wing back system before he'd even recruited the players (one of whom said he'd never played as a wing back!)?

All the experienced players age wise - rose, Reid, Ghadzev, Sordell in the end were poor. His loans didn't work out either.

It sums up his whole tenure that despite the fact we are a dreadful team and in a dreadful position robins picked Slades signings and consigned most of mowbrays to the bench.

Shambolic. He's back where he belongs now. At this level he couldn't do it.