CT article - 'Time to grow up and work together' (4 Viewers)

[armybike]

'Time to grow up and work together' - Sky Blues and council need to stop squabbling for the sake of the people of Coventry

http://www.coventrytelegraph.net/news/time-grow-up-work-together-11357132

 

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[Nick]

Can't argue with some of the things he is saying.

As for this though:

Privately, council sources tell me of fears the rugby club could be swallowed up by the football club and they are just looking out for the interests of a 142-year-old Coventry sports club.

What an absolute joke. Why not ask them about why Wasps haven't delivered any promises? Why not ask them if they don't want the Rugby club to be damaged, how is Wasps helping?

 

[Deleted member 5849]

Today, we mostly like the Telegraph and Simon Gilbert?

 

[stupot07]

Probably the best article simon has ever written!

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[Nick]

We got a mention in the comments off the one and only Garry Woollaston. Hello Garry!

Nice to see you are still misinformed about mosts things

 

[SkyBlue_Bear83]

Pretty good article tbf, in reference to the bit you have quoted Nick Simon goes on to say that line is bs from the council

 

[Nick]

Probably the best article simon has ever written!

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Maybe that's why it's good, because he wrote it (joke by the way)

In all fairness, I slate him usually and what he is saying actually does make sense and it should be the sort of thing everybody should be pushing out. If he had included "everybody get behind ccfc for the new season" then he would have had a few more marks!

I love how that is seen as Anti Council too!

 

[Nick]

Pretty good article tbf, in reference to the bit you have quoted Nick Simon goes on to say that line is bs from the council

No I know he does I just mean it's the usual lies from them!

 

[asiaskyblues]

But telling people to grow up and move on when they have lost millions of pounds is easier said than done.

 

[tisza]

another question are CCFC fans (or owners) really going to care if in the future the rugby club gets buried and CCFC end up with all the stadium? Would be nice but probably naive to think they would care.

 

[Nick]

another question are CCFC fans (or owners) really going to care if in the future the rugby club gets buried and CCFC end up with all the stadium? Would be nice but probably naive to think they would care.

I wouldn't want that to happen.

 

[Deleted member 5849]

another question are CCFC fans (or owners) really going to care if in the future the rugby club gets buried and CCFC end up with all the stadium? Would be nice but probably naive to think they would care.

It'd be the height of hypocrisy if we didn't.

 

[Otis]

I would very much care. Cov rugby are as much a part of this city as we are.

Even if we are the major player in all this it has to be a partnership.

 

[Grendel]

another question are CCFC fans (or owners) really going to care if in the future the rugby club gets buried and CCFC end up with all the stadium? Would be nice but probably naive to think they would care.

The truth is if done correctly it could present huge opportunity.

I think the football club could with a small capacity be sold out every week. There will be those who enjoy both sports. Very easily the football clubs database could be shared and offers made to go the the rugby.

The marketing could be geared to sporting heritage in the City and supporting these teams is supporting the community.

 

[tisza]

if people really care then why are their attendances only around the 2k mark? we have had a dig at people not getting up the Ricoh in big enough numbers (no matter who owned the Ricoh or when bigger attendances might have made it more difficult for it to be sold to wasps). or is it genuinely possible CRFC can use the new stadium as a more effective springboard towards new ownership and climbing their leaguescthan we can?

 

[Nick]

The truth is if done correctly it could present huge opportunity.

I think the football club could with a small capacity be sold out every week. There will be those who enjoy both sports. Very easily the football clubs database could be shared and offers made to go the the rugby.

The marketing could be geared to sporting heritage in the City and supporting these teams is supporting the community.

Exactly, I think more people would be inclined to go and see Cov Rugby.

If we did move, it would have to benefit them and help them grow. The last thing I would want is for it to stunt their growth.

 

[chiefdave]

The marketing could be geared to sporting heritage in the City and supporting these teams is supporting the community.

Highly doubt it is coincidence that both clubs are highlighting Coventry in their marketing.

 

[ccfcway]

The truth is if done correctly it could present huge opportunity.

I think the football club could with a small capacity be sold out every week. There will be those who enjoy both sports. Very easily the football clubs database could be shared and offers made to go the the rugby.

The marketing could be geared to sporting heritage in the City and supporting these teams is supporting the community.

id love the idea of watching CCFC in a full stadium, even if it was 15k. Whilst best endeavours and all that, the "there will be those who enjoy both sports", if that's the case, the majority who enjoy rugby will always head to wasps as the standard is far superior. the vast majority of those who will attend the butts for rugby will already will be Coventry rugby club fans. The challenge will be to grow that fan base, not jut maintain it. Ironically, there seems to be more talk and interest in rugby since wasps turned up, so it might just help

 

[oldskyblue58]

Agree with the sentiment but "peace" agreements require an element of compromise on both sides. Not "wont talk till no court actions" or "right we try again in the Supreme Court"

Has been the same all the way through this saga. People taking an entrenched position and not looking at the bigger picture. That's people on every side of this argument.

 

[Brylowes]

The truth is if done correctly it could present huge opportunity.

I think the football club could with a small capacity be sold out every week. There will be those who enjoy both sports. Very easily the football clubs database could be shared and offers made to go the the rugby.

The marketing could be geared to sporting heritage in the City and supporting these teams is supporting the community.

So you constantly gripe about a rugby club being our direct competition for supporters,
and then suggest we share our data-base with a rugby club to drum up support for them .

 

[Brylowes]

Highly doubt it is coincidence that both clubs are highlighting Coventry in their marketing.
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Or it could be because they from and called Coventry.

 

[hill83]

Credit where it's due. I give Simon some stick but that is a cracking article.

 

[italiahorse]

What an absolute joke. Why not ask them about why Wasps haven't delivered any promises? Why not ask them if they don't want the Rugby club to be damaged, how is Wasps helping?

Surely its up to Chris Anderson not Wasps to give the feedback on the 17 items?
He listed the items and then says its not going well. Surely he should expand on it?
It's like someone saying they are going to build a football stadium but then not give any details. It wouldn't happen ?

 

[chiefdave]

Surely its up to Chris Anderson not Wasps to give the feedback on the 17 items?

CA has already said they have said no on every point. If we had a half decent local media they would be straight on to Wasps asking them why they were hindering the clubs progress.

 

[Irish Sky Blue]

I wouldn't want that to happen.

Neither would I. Wouldn't mind Wasps going under though. With their debt, hopefully will happen.

 

[Irish Sky Blue]

id love the idea of watching CCFC in a full stadium, even if it was 15k. Whilst best endeavours and all that, the "there will be those who enjoy both sports", if that's the case, the majority who enjoy rugby will always head to wasps as the standard is far superior. the vast majority of those who will attend the butts for rugby will already will be Coventry rugby club fans. The challenge will be to grow that fan base, not jut maintain it. Ironically, there seems to be more talk and interest in rugby since wasps turned up, so it might just help

I work in Chelmsley Wood. In the past 18 months I have come across 6 people who now go to Wasps. None of them live in Coventry.

 

[ccfcway]

I work in Chelmsley Wood. In the past 18 months I have come across 6 people who now go to Wasps. None of them live in Coventry.

and there in lies the issue. Wasps are a draw if you are that way inclined. They have come in an given anyone nearby top class rugby.

 

[martcov]

CA has already said they have said no on every point. If we had a half decent local media they would be straight on to Wasps asking them why they were hindering the clubs progress.

On the other hand Simon says the progress is being hampered by CCC attempting to block CCFC at the BPA.... Is progress the BPA or the Ricoh? Anyway not accepting all 17 points at the start of negotiations is not unusual - that is why they are called "negotiations", the same as saying, ok we'll build our own at the BPA. It doesn't mean we will definitely end up at BPA... It can still go either way, but whatever happens we don't have much time to mess around... And yes, CCFC are responsible for the future development of the city and have to treat each case on it's merits - if SISU and CRFC can lay viable plans on the table and suggest solutions for potential problems, then they have every right to be treated as anyone else. But, it would ease things on a human level if SISU offered to act more conciliatory - Even if legally they don't have to ( the Same goes for CCC ). You cannot have planning discussions glaring hatred at each other. CA and Duggins are both fresh faces, so there should be no "hell freezing over" or throwing keys on the table.

 

[Otis]

if people really care then why are their attendances only around the 2k mark? we have had a dig at people not getting up the Ricoh in big enough numbers (no matter who owned the Ricoh or when bigger attendances might have made it more difficult for it to be sold to wasps). or is it genuinely possible CRFC can use the new stadium as a more effective springboard towards new ownership and climbing their leaguescthan we can?

Don't get that, Tisza. I care, but don't like rugby that much. Will watch it in TV but have never been tempted to go to a game.

I care that Cov Bees do well, but I absolutely detest speedway with a passion.


What's wrong with wanting local sporting sides to do well?

 

[chiefdave]

On the other hand Simon says the progress is being hampered by CCC attempting to block CCFC at the BPA.... Is progress the BPA or the Ricoh?

Personally I think it would be a sensible strategy to be pursuing more than one option.

Anyway not accepting all 17 points at the start of negotiations is not unusual - that is why they are called "negotiations"

Its not the best starting point though is it? If they intended to have meaningful negotiations wouldn't they have agreed to at least some points to show willing and enable things to move forward. Just saying no to everything doesn't seem a great way to open.

CA and Duggins are both fresh faces, so there should be no "hell freezing over" or throwing keys on the table.

The council need to approach CA and the current situation as a separate from any action being taken by SISU. Put that to the side. If and when a plan to move forward comes together that is a time you might say can we stop all the other action but refusing to even speak to the club won't move things forward.

 

[olderskyblue]

CA has already said they have said no on every point. If we had a half decent local media they would be straight on to Wasps asking them why they were hindering the clubs progress.

Did he?

"But today he struck a different note concerning any prospect of staying at the Ricoh, saying his 17-point negotiation plan with Wasps over revenues had come to nought"

Not sure that means they said no on every point, unless i've missed another article?

 

[Skyblueweeman]

Call me an old cynic (don't reply Otis with 'you old cynic'!), but it's interesting that SG gets a lot of grief on here then comes out with an article like that? The CT get a lot of grief then publish an article and video showing that they're now sitting on the fence? I'm sorry, more needs to be done to show neutrality. Where is the questionning of the Council on the sale to Wasps? Where is the push to find out from both sides, what the 17 points were and why Wasps said no?

PR at it's greatest for me, this. I appreciated the way Simon came on here previously and discussed what he discussed. Not sold on this for one minute though.

And as for that shirt.....

 

[chiefdave]

I posted on their Facebook the other day that they had put up an article quoting the council leader saying he wouldn't stand in the way yet the day before they had him quoted as saying he wouldn't speak to the club.

Those two statements are compatible yet there was no follow up. That's what frustrates me, obvious questions aren't asked. You could say the same of Reid, if he was speaking to the club about the Butts why not ask the question about capacity?

 

[olderskyblue]

I posted on their Facebook the other day that they had put up an article quoting the council leader saying he wouldn't stand in the way yet the day before they had him quoted as saying he wouldn't speak to the club.

Those two statements are compatible yet there was no follow up. That's what frustrates me, obvious questions aren't asked. You could say the same of Reid, if he was speaking to the club about the Butts why not ask the question about capacity?

Also Les could have asked CA which of the 17 points could not be agreed. Was it "all" as you and others have stated as fact? Asked this already, but would still like to know if I have missed an article that says that's true.

Be nice to have a definitive list of those 17 points, and the answers given to each of them. "Discussions came to nought" tells us absolutely nothing really does it? Came to nothing because of what, or who? I don't care who it looks bad for, lets just have the information.

 

[Captain Dart]

Be nice to have a definitive list of those 17 points, and the answers given to each of them. "Discussions came to nought" tells us absolutely nothing really does it? Came to nothing because of what, or who? I don't care who it looks bad for, lets just have the information.

Yes, what are these mythical 17 criteria for discussion?