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[Grendel]

Regulating like maternity pay and a set number of holidays per year? You are the expert at ignoring questions.

I'm still waiting for examples of when UK laws have been reversed by the EU. Can you explain why each EU country is free to make its own laws?

There haven't been any that's why and that's why he's not answering.

 

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[armybike]

Why do EU countries have different laws considering that you claim they are unable to make their own laws and must abide by laws made up by the EU?

Look, an elephant riding a unicycle!

 

[Sky Blue Kid]

Sure -

The Daily Mail
The Daily Express
Oh and any website that makes spurious statements under the banner 'FACT!'

This good enough for you?...
http://www.leeds.ac.uk/law/hamlyn/european.htm

 

[Grendel]

I asked how many countries have the water quality good enough to drink. How about making a proper comment about the papers showing how bad the EU laws are for us?

You can't cover up for it with bullshit can you?

What are you on about tap water for? If this some old bollocks Nigel has said?

Do you have any idea how pig Ignorant you sound?

 

[Astute]

I'm surprised you didn't say something earlier when a poster dismissed the Guardian as it is 'pro EU'. Maybe you missed it?

I don't care who is pro EU or pro leave. I believe in the long term we will be better off leaving. I say we as personally I won't be any better off.

So how about comments from you about the articles you have been shown? I said earlier that they look after their own. How much more proof do you need?

 

[Astute]

What are you on about tap water for? If this some old bollocks Nigel has said?

Do you have any idea how pig Ignorant you sound?

Oh the pig ignorant one turns up and it is another one who ignores the post I was replying to. And that was after statingthat I had replied to a post.

 

[Sick Boy]

I don't care who is pro EU or pro leave. I believe in the long term we will be better off leaving. I say we as personally I won't be any better off.

So how about comments from you about the articles you have been shown? I said earlier that they look after their own. How much more proof do you need?

....all governments around the world look out for their own and I stated earlier in the thread that EU isn't perfect and needs to be reformed, which is a belief held around Europe. Still, the benefits of being a member of the EU massively out way leaving, IMO.

 

[SkyblueBazza]

....ahhhh the Express...says it all. So far there are 2 examples, 1 from the Mail and 1 from the Express.

Still doesn't explain why each EU country has its own set of rules considering that all EU member states have to abide by EU laws.

A bit like devolved assemblies in Scotland I would imagine?

...onwards & upwards PUSB

 

[chiefdave]

So if someone commits murder in this country why would another country want them deported? They become our problem whichever country they were born in.

It has to work like that, and it works like that for non-EU countries as well. You can't put someone on trial in, for example, the US for a crime committed in the UK just because they're american. Which countries law would you apply?

 

[Astute]

....all governments around the world look out for their own and I stated earlier in the thread that EU isn't perfect and needs to be reformed, which is a belief held around Europe. Still, the benefits of being a member of the EU massively out way leaving, IMO.

And as I said a few times if it could be reformed I would lean towards staying. But all countries have to agree. So if one country doesn't like the reform it doesn't happen. Is that democracy?

 

[Astute]

It has to work like that, and it works like that for non-EU countries as well. You can't put someone on trial in, for example, the US for a crime committed in the UK just because they're american. Which countries law would you apply?

And what about the post that my comment was a reply to?

 

[Monners]

With respect Astute that isn't what I said. I said that without EU Directive it would cost a lot more for water as it would be more polluted at source so would cost lot more clean up

Air quality - chronic illness an thousands of deaths per year at huge cost to the NHS. EU directives seek to address thi

Because as usual you only read what you wanted.

I replied to a post that said the NHS is helped here as we don't get Ill because of the quality of our drinking water. And that it was down to the EU. Yet how many countries in the EU have safe drinking water? But you failed to see the post I quoted and tried to take the piss out of my reply.

Any chance of having a debate for once where you are not after point scoring?

 

[Grendel]

Every country in the EU has safe drinking water.

 

[ccfctommy]

What the fuck have I walked into here?

 

[Sky Blue Kid]

Don't let what a High Court Judge has to say get in the way eh guys!

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/new...tes-for-Brexit-says-senior-British-judge.html

 

[ccfcway]

well, even by this sites standards, from legal action v ccc to who has safe drinking water is one hell of a leap on a ccfc forum

 

[Astute]

Every country in the EU has safe drinking water.

As long as you buy it out of a bottle.

 

[chiefdave]

And what about the post that my comment was a reply to?

What do you mean?
There's only 2 scenarios isn't there? 1) a convicted murderer wants to enter the UK, there is a means to stop that or 2) a non-UK EU citizen commits a murder here, that would have to be dealt with under the law of the country in which the offence took place.

 

[SkyblueBazza]

Closer to home I remember when Peugeot decided to close Ryton with the loss of Coventry jobs they opened a brand new facility in Slovenia (partly paid for with EU grants)
In case someone wants some figures to show how the EU can benefit some countries at the expense of others just check the following and ask yourself why we are net contributors money wise and why Europe are desperate for us to stay

"In 2014 the taxpayers of Slovenia received from the European Union 310 euros per head over what they contributed. Since its accession to the EU the country has received from the European Union EUR 2260 million over what it has contributed" .
Quote via http://www.money-go-round.eu/Country.aspx?id=SI

That's because for the EU to succeed in all it wants - there has to be a broadly equal economy, standard & quality of life across the EU. That means there will be winners...the poorer countries (e.g. Romania), & losers...the wealthier countries (e.g. Britain) over time.
In stark terms Britain has to subsidise Romania. And when I say 'Britain' - remember 'we are all in this together' (unless we have plenty stashed away in off-shore tax havens of course)

...onwards & upwards PUSB

 

[armybike]

This good enough for you?...
http://www.leeds.ac.uk/law/hamlyn/european.htm

https://www.leeds.ac.uk/law/hamlyn/sls.htm

 

[Grendel]

As long as you buy it out of a bottle.

No tap water with occasional exceptions like the Greek Islands.

 

[Astute]

Don't let what a High Court Judge has to say get in the way eh guys!

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/new...tes-for-Brexit-says-senior-British-judge.html

Seems like it is Internet Points against the truth. Again this will get ignored.

 

[Astute]

No tap water with occasional exceptions like the Greek Islands.

I take it that you don't travel through Europe much then.

 

[ccfcway]

I take it that you don't travel through Europe much then.

he is a CCFC fan, there has been no need

 

[Grendel]

I take it that you don't travel through Europe much then.

Yes been to pretty much every country - oh and I have the guide to safe water drinking report to hand.

Which aren't then?

 

[armybike]

Don't let what a High Court Judge has to say get in the way eh guys!

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/new...tes-for-Brexit-says-senior-British-judge.html

"As far as the United Kingdom courts are concerned, they can already express doubts and they do, about the interpretation of European Union law and they can ask the court of justice to reconsider."

 

[Astute]

What do you mean?
There's only 2 scenarios isn't there? 1) a convicted murderer wants to enter the UK, there is a means to stop that or 2) a non-UK EU citizen commits a murder here, that would have to be dealt with under the law of the country in which the offence took place.

As I said earlier there is no way of seeing who has a criminal past or not.

All is OK as long as it doesn't affect yourself. But there are a lot of people who have lost loved ones. Are you OK with that?

 

[Astute]

Yes been to pretty much every country - oh and I have the guide to safe water drinking report to hand.

Which aren't then?

There are 28 countries in the EU IIRC. Are you saying that they are all OK?

This will be fun.

 

[Sky Blue Kid]

"As far as the United Kingdom courts are concerned, they can already express doubts and they do, about the interpretation of European Union law and they can ask the court of justice to reconsider."

Think this about sums it up....

Britain will only be free from the influence of European Courts if it votes for Brexit, says senior British judge
Sir Francis Jacobs, a former advocate general at the European Court of Justice, said that European law would always "prevail over national law"

 

[Hobo]

I'm undecided/probably Remain, but this is still spin. Both sides should stay away from the cost argument as it can be spun so many ways it's next to useless. It's a valid point that money spent for us is not equal to money that never leaves our shores, so talking of a net figure is spin. It's the same with forecasts about the future. I saw one wages forecast, I think from the TUC, that said "by 2030, wages will have dropped by X amount". There's no economist on earth who can accurately predict shit 15 years out.

Ultimately, it comes down to immigration and whether you want us to tie our fortunes to Europe. We'll probably be fine either way.

I like your approach and thinking. I agree forecasts are dangerous. Your view is a bit more cautious and analytical.

But Britex campaigners blaming EU membership on the privatisation of numerous organisations and the collapse of the coal industry during the last 40 years isn't misleading, it isn't spin....it is an out and out lie.

 

[Sick Boy]

There are 28 countries in the EU IIRC. Are you saying that they are all OK?

This will be fun.

I've drank tap water from Ireland to Sicily to Slovenia and never had any problems.

 

[Sick Boy]

Think this about sums it up....

Britain will only be free from the influence of European Courts if it votes for Brexit, says senior British judge
Sir Francis Jacobs, a former advocate general at the European Court of Justice, said that European law would always "prevail over national law"

....a bit like when the Irish chose to keep abortion illegal against the wishes of the EU?

 

[Deleted member 5849]

But Britex campaigners blaming EU membership on the privatisation of numerous organisations and the collapse of the coal industry during the last 40 years isn't misleading, it isn't spin....it is an out and out lie.

Genuine question, but have they *really* done that?!?

 

[Grendel]

There are 28 countries in the EU IIRC. Are you saying that they are all OK?

This will be fun.

Go on which aren't safe?

 

[armybike]

Think this about sums it up....

Britain will only be free from the influence of European Courts if it votes for Brexit, says senior British judge
Sir Francis Jacobs, a former advocate general at the European Court of Justice, said that European law would always "prevail over national law"

Yes, I read the headline but then also read the article.

Unsurprisingly the article doesn't actual full fit the headline.