BPA Update (12 Viewers)

[Nick]

You don't think moving to Northampton and endless court cases are a tad embarrassing

Not half as embarrassing as Coventry being a city of rugby.

 

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[oldfiver]

Or of course we 'SHOULD JUST GET OUT AS SOON AS WE CAN, EVEN IF WE HAVE ABSOLUTELY NOWHERE TO GO! COME ON, LET'S LEAVE, LEAVE, LEAVE NOW! '

People talk of destroying this club, well no better way than us being taken back to somewhere like Northampton again, groundsharing and losing thousands and thousands and thousands of fans.

So if this is the big squeeze to get CCFC out of Cov - would people go anywhere else if local? ( And take CRFC with them ? )

 

[Nick]

Try everything, Nick and just stop keep saying Wasps want to destroy us and nothing will work!

We should be urging everyone to get round the table to thrash things out. Might get us nowhere, but we need to try.

Haven't ccfc been given notice at the higgs already?

What do you think wasps and the council want to do?

 

[Otis]

Grendel.

Saying we should get out as soon as we can.

We have nowhere to go. We can't just think like that, we simply can't and we can't afford to think like that.

 

[Brylowes]

Rise as what? Wasps' bitch?

SISU will not leave until they choose to. The fight right now is not with them. They now have more than sufficient evidence to move us out of Coventry again on a temporary move, the FL will have no choice to accept it.

If you are so interested in a fight - then why don't you back your club for once and focus on the common foe.

You read it again, the last line.
And it's your view I'm backing the wrong fight, but it's not mine.

 

[Otis]

Haven't ccfc been given notice at the higgs already?

What do you think wasps and the council want to do?

But Sisu are talking about owning and building our own stadium. If they are serious about building that then why not just go and build a new academy! Can be built in a much smaller location and land will be available at that size within the city and the added revenue facilities can be build alongside it too.

 

[stupot07]

Haven't ccfc been given notice at the higgs already?

What do you think wasps and the council want to do?

I don't know what people would expect to get from peace talks? Sisu won't drop the legals, wasps won't stop their higgs build, CCC and wasps won't stop the city of rugby shit, I doubt millichump and CCC will advocate BPA developments,

It seems to me peace talks = Sisu dropping the JR, and the football club still getting shafted with academy, and probably a significantly worse rental deal from wasps

Add to that regarding the Ricoh, wasps are the ones that won't talk to us.

People talk of wasps buying us, I think there's far more chance of buying cov bears, as it would only need limited investment and they would have all year round sport and only a limited overlap in the season to compete for peoples leisure time money.

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[Otis]

Haven't ccfc been given notice at the higgs already?

What do you think wasps and the council want to do?

Well the council want rid of Sisu for sure.

I think Wasps are okay having us here as long as it is on their terms. Their destroying this football club isn't going to help them one single bit in terms of wanting to be accepted here in this city.

 

[Nick]

But Sisu are talking about owning and building our own stadium. If they are serious about building that then why not just go and build a new academy! Can be built in a much smaller location and land will be available at that size within the city and the added revenue facilities can be build alongside it too.

So it's the old talking about a new stadium so let's kick them out thing?

So just the mention of the butts stadium has the council trying their best to block it. What makes you think another location in the city will be plain sailing with ccc?

 

[skybluetony176]

Read what I said - " if a properly prepared project was put to them"

OK. Where's the properly prepared project then?

 

[Brylowes]

Yep, agree with that. The council do not want to destroy the club I'm sure, they just want to destroy Sisu. Would be ridiculous of the council to want to destroy the football team that has been in existence here since 1883. It's a nonsense.

That doesn't mean of course that in destroying Sisu, CCFC don't suffer the consequences.

That's why I don't think they would be mounting this assault
If there wasn't something bigger going on!

 

[Nick]

Well the council want rid of Sisu for sure.

I think Wasps are okay having us here as long as it is on their terms. Their destroying this football club isn't going to help them one single bit in terms of wanting to be accepted here in this city.

Yes, like you said, their terms....

They already are accepted, all they will do is go all out with the pr blaming sisu and sit and laugh and watch.

 

[stupot07]

Well the council want rid of Sisu for sure.

I think Wasps are okay having us here as long as it is on their terms. Their destroying this football club isn't going to help them one single bit in terms of wanting to be accepted here in this city.

Sorry Otis, people hate sisu that much that wasps could easily destroy us without much fuss made.

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[Nick]

That's why I don't think they would be mounting this assault
If there wasn't something bigger going on!

Didn't they try before wasps were here too?

 

[Otis]

Yes, like you said, their terms....

They already are accepted, all they will do is go all out with the pr blaming sisu and sit and laugh and watch.

At the moment, Nick, all we have is the Ricoh and we most certainly shouldn't be burning any bridges.

Fact is, at the moment we are impotent and Wasps hold all the cards.

 

[Grendel]

OK Dave, let's assume that Kieran is genuine and so is the story he's telling. It still comes down to what I said in my original reply to you. No one wants to deal with SISU, it's time for them to go and the sooner the better. If Kieran's tweets are factually accurate all it's doing is adding to an already long list of people who don't want to do deal with SISU.

The law of averages must mean that SISU are the problem.

Given that if you speak to ex directors of the club pre sisu they will say the council and Higgs were impossible to deal with I'm aghast at the statement you've made.

 

[clint van damme]

Swap CCC for SISU and back at you.

the difference is SISU don't give a fuck bout CCFC, they're an out of town hedge fund, but surely the council should.

 

[Ian1779]

You read it again, the last line.
And it's your view I'm backing the wrong fight, but it's not mine.

I read it - what I meant was that previous encounters such as moving to Sixfields it was right to oppose the club.

This time however we need to back it.

 

[Otis]

Sorry Otis, people hate sisu that much that wasps could easily destroy us without much fuss made.

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Disagree, Stu.

You telling me that of Coventry City disappeared that the people of Coventry wouldn't be angry? Course they would and if they had a sniff that Wasps were part of that it would badly backfire on them and I will tell you now, I bet if we disappeared then the gates at the Butts Park for Cov rugby would increase dramatically and an awful lot of City fans would go and back them in a Wasps protest and that could then result in Coventry getting promotion and being a least a bit of a challenge to our inset friends.

 

[Ian1779]

the difference is SISU don't give a fuck bout CCFC, they're an out of town hedge fund, but surely the council should.

CCC have demonstrated they love out of town hedge funds that don't invest in the City (their money at least)

 

[Nick]

Disagree, Stu.

You telling me that of Coventry City disappeared that the people of Coventry wouldn't be angry? Course they would and if they had a sniff that Wasps were part of that it would badly backfire on them and I will tell you now, I bet if we disappeared then the gates at the Butts Park for Cov rugby would increase dramatically and an awful lot of City fans would go and back them in a Wasps protest and that could then result in Coventry getting promotion and being a least a bit of a challenge to our inset friends.

Otis, how angry are they now at wasps or the council? They would be very angry yes, but I'm sure you can see how it would play out

 

[Nick]

At the moment, Nick, all we have is the Ricoh and we most certainly shouldn't be burning any bridges.

Fact is, at the moment we are impotent and Wasps hold all the cards.

We don't have the ricoh though...

 

[stupot07]

Disagree, Stu.

You telling me that of Coventry City disappeared that the people of Coventry wouldn't be angry? Course they would and if they had a sniff that Wasps were part of that it would badly backfire on them and I will tell you now, I bet if we disappeared then the gates at the Butts Park for Cov rugby would increase dramatically and an awful lot of City fans would go and back them in a Wasps protest and that could then result in Coventry getting promotion and being a least a bit of a challenge to our inset friends.

They would be angry with sisu, they would blame sisu. Even now people are giving wasps an easy ride and are blaming sisu. And yes sisu have to take a huge portion of blame.

So if in 2 years time and the legals haven't finish and wasps say sorry we don't want you here whilst the legals are going on - who do you think will get the blame?

Half the people on here aren't arsed aboht higgs and the academy, too busy blaming sisu.

And with regards the gates at CRFC increasing if we disappeared, I doubt they would go up that much, they didn't when we lost 80% of the fan base when we went to Northampton.

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[tisza]

How about maybe the latest SISU case does have merit? Nobody wants to go anywhere near the European courts as they are so unpredictable.
Or Wasps don't need potential legal issues as they have to find financing for this training centre - something ultimately the Ricoh element will have to finance as it probably won't make enough money to finance itself even before bank loans?
How about this Rugby League business is a complete red herring? League hasn't managed to establish a side in London or Wales - bigger catchment areas & stronger rugby roots. Even the biggest League clubs struggle to make money.

 

[skybluetony176]

Haven't ccfc been given notice at the higgs already?

What do you think wasps and the council want to do?

We already know that the clause at the AEHC means that with SISU as owners nothing would be considered longer than seven years. So the obvious answer (unless you want to play the victim) is come in with an offer based on a seven year commitment.

The next thing to do is come clean over this third party litigation thing if true. We can then unite and add pressure on the other parties to come back to the table because our owners have passed the legals over to some ambulance chaser types and aren't any longer in control of it.

If they haven't passed it on to the aforementioned ambulance chaser types then we should unite to put pressure on SISU to drop it because A) most of us want it and B) it's detrimental to the club.

Bluffs called left right and centre and maybe we can start moving forward.

 

[skybluetony176]

Given that if you speak to ex directors of the club pre sisu they will say the council and Higgs were impossible to deal with I'm aghast at the statement you've made.

So people want to deal with SISU? Is that what you're saying?

Also, these directors pre SISU that found Higgs impossible to deal with. Are these the same directors that sold the clubs share in ACL that you constantly tell everyone was worthless for millions of pounds?

 

[Otis]

Otis, how angry are they now at wasps or the council? They would be very angry yes, but I'm sure you can see how it would play out

But we are still here. Fixture list coming out next week. We are still here, still playing, still buying players.

Now consider the scenario of us being no more and starting from scratch some 8-10 divisions lower and even behind Cov Sphinx and Cov United.

You see how angry people would be then.

 

[tisza]

Given that if you speak to ex directors of the club pre sisu they will say the council and Higgs were impossible to deal with I'm aghast at the statement you've made.

something other prospective buyers have said was a major problem since the SISU takeover

 

[Nick]

But we are still here. Fixture list coming out next week. We are still here, still playing, still buying players.

Now consider the scenario of us being no more and starting from scratch some 8-10 divisions lower and even behind Cov Sphinx and Cov United.

You see how angry people would be then.

Angry at who? Mean while the council bang on about city of rugby, all the welcome to Coventry signs get changed to say it etc.

 

[skybluetony176]

Disagree, Stu.

You telling me that of Coventry City disappeared that the people of Coventry wouldn't be angry? Course they would and if they had a sniff that Wasps were part of that it would badly backfire on them and I will tell you now, I bet if we disappeared then the gates at the Butts Park for Cov rugby would increase dramatically and an awful lot of City fans would go and back them in a Wasps protest and that could then result in Coventry getting promotion and being a least a bit of a challenge to our inset friends.

Said it pretty much from day one but the best way to hurt Wasps is go and see CRFC and give them your money. A successful CRFC is by far the biggest threat Wasps will have.

 

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[Nick]

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Why what's happened?

 

[Ian1779]

Said it pretty much from day one but the best way to hurt Wasps is go and see CRFC and give them your money. A successful CRFC is by far the biggest threat Wasps will have.

Along with a successful CCFC on the pitch.

 

[Moff]

You think peace talks are bad?

Seriously?

Apologies if this has already been covered but Otis do you seriously think peace talks will now happen just because Chris Millerchip has asked?

I think that is a tad naïve seeing as no one can get anyone round the table due to the ill feeling, but if you think Chris Millerchip will make the difference, good for you......but seriously?

 

[Otis]

Said it pretty much from day one but the best way to hurt Wasps is go and see CRFC and give them your money. A successful CRFC is by far the biggest threat Wasps will have.

Yep, agree.

Best protest, go and watch Cov rugby, get them winning and then try and convince those going to watch Wasps to go and watch Cov instead.