Formal Planning Objection from CCFC (7 Viewers)

[Nick]

Did the council not think this was a good idea originally? Were they not in cahoots with SISU about this?

Yeah I think they were in on the rent strike weren't they? Then tried to beck out.

Can't remember 100% how it went so don't quote me on it.

 

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[dongonzalos]

Perhaps it's marginally of some importance and a bit more so than is it pay on the gate at Rochdale.

Just maybe.

Hurts me to say it but Grendel is right
What is more important than debating the future of the club you love.

 

[stupot07]

I was impressed that the council stood up for itself when SISU were as the high court judge stated trying to drive the value of ACL down.
It took a lot of balls for the council not to be be bullied and when the council stood up for itself.
That's when asISU should have realised they had pushed too far abd either put in a sensible offer or signed up long term on a tent deal.
Unfortunately the likes of yourself kept encouraging them to keep pushing further and further.
Which was ajaays only going to go one way

Why did it take balls? The council is a huge organisation with c£200m budget, 6-7k employees, a huge legal team and chief exec on £230k pa. They aren't some small business.

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[SkyBlueZack]

Yeah to drive down the value of the bank loan. Not surprisingly this is rarely mentioned or remembered.

 

[SkyBlueZack]

Why did it take balls? The council is a huge organisation with c£200m budget, a huge legal team and chief exec on £230k pa. They aren't some small business.

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I think he believes the council is full of upstanding citizens with good morals and strong principles. The sort of people who wouldn't accept gifts that could be viewed as a bribe. Oh wait....

 

[ccfcway]

Yeah I think they were in on the rent strike weren't they? Then tried to beck out..

Soy un perdedor, I'm a loser baby........

 

[Brylowes]

Ahh but they are City fans. They just want the posion that is SISU away from their club. No matter the cost. Short term pain for long term gain. It would be worth dropping to the Conference to rid us of these parasites.

That is what people say. You know like begging the local council not to sell the Ricoh to them as they would mortgage it. Yet applaud Wasps for their business acumen in doing the same thing. It really is incredible.

Are you for real? Stakeholders would happily come to the table. I quoted what you said. How is dreamland?

If we didn't have CCFC fans attending there matches it might send out a message? If people didn't buy the Telegraph it might send out a message? If Wasps are given bad press? If the council are challenged? If CCFC fans attended games and put more money in the budget? You know, not refusing to go because of the owners. I said before I don't buy the whole I have a season ticket I'm a better fan stuff, but refusing to go because of the owners is a bit counter productive. We know SISU are not taking money out. OSB looks and advises us of this and he can't be accused of backing the clubs owners, the opposite if anything.

You are extremely angry, and will remain so as long as people don't
Share your views. IMO

 

[dongonzalos]

Did the council not think this was a good idea originally? Were they not in cahoots with SISU about this?

What did the original 2014 High Court judgment say?
Among the judge’s key findings was that the crisis at ACL had been triggered by Sisu refusing to pay rent £1.3m annual rent. He added the withdrawal of rent was a deliberate strategy by Sisu to “distress ACL’s financial position, with a view to driving down the value of ACL and thus the price of a share in it, which they coveted.”

 

[Rusty Trombone]

Watch the match threads
(Reminds me I'd best set them up)

Is it possible for the match threads to auto refresh rather than having to reload the page?

 

[SkyBlueZack]

I don't believe SISU do want to invest, what makes you think they do

Is it possible for the match threads to auto refresh rather than having to reload the page?

Another one. Point out to me where I said they want to invest? People want them to invest.

 

[Otis]

If we didn't have CCFC fans attending there matches it might send out a message? If people didn't buy the Telegraph it might send out a message? If Wasps are given bad press? If the council are challenged? If CCFC fans attended games and put more money in the budget? You know, not refusing to go because of the owners.

Yep, totally agree.

The reality is though it is not going to happen. I don't understand why any Coventry City fan would go and watch Wasps and if local people love rugby I feel they should go and support their own local team in Cov Rugby club.

Look at the petition for the academy! Embarrassing numbers. No meaningful protest is going to ever happen, unless CCFC move us again for a ground share.

I honestly don't think there is anything we can do past trying to get bums on seats here and try and promote Cov as much as possible.

 

[SkyBlueZack]

You are extremely angry, and will remain so as long as people don't
Share your views. IMO

I'm angry because you don't agree with me? Spin it how you like

Funny how one post you quoted Otis replied to and didn't think I was angry and I had a point. Now would you say Otis is angry?

 

[SkyBlueZack]

What did the original 2014 High Court judgment say?
Among the judge’s key findings was that the crisis at ACL had been triggered by Sisu refusing to pay rent £1.3m annual rent. He added the withdrawal of rent was a deliberate strategy by Sisu to “distress ACL’s financial position, with a view to driving down the value of ACL and thus the price of a share in it, which they coveted.”

It was reported the council were ok with the idea initially. No blinder person than someone who doesn't want to see.

 

[Rusty Trombone]

Another one. Point out to me where I said they want to invest? People want them to invest.

Apologies, when I replied to Nick it kept an old reply I'd started and not finished, I edited the post but not quickly enough.

 

[Brylowes]

I'm angry because you don't agree with me? Spin it how you like

Not trying to spin anything, I loath rugby and had never heard of Wasps
Until they moved in, I don't live in Coventry so the council don't concern
My everyday life.
I've followed CCFC for over 40 years ,passed down from my father before
Me, it depresses me how our owners have contrived to get us to the point
Where even as fans of the same club, we no longer share comradeship
and togetherness at all costs.
"Divide and conquer "

 

[Grendel]

What did the original 2014 High Court judgment say?
Among the judge’s key findings was that the crisis at ACL had been triggered by Sisu refusing to pay rent £1.3m annual rent. He added the withdrawal of rent was a deliberate strategy by Sisu to “distress ACL’s financial position, with a view to driving down the value of ACL and thus the price of a share in it, which they coveted.”

If the Council wanted to drive the value up why did it not issue a 250 year lease in 2014?

 

[Rusty Trombone]

Yeah I think they were in on the rent strike weren't they? Then tried to beck out.

Can't remember 100% how it went so don't quote me on it.

The judge said that the club unilaterally decided to withhold the rent. The evidence given said ACL were asked to agree to a rent holiday but didn't give permission. The bit where SISU and the Council joined forces was when they were using the fact there was a rent strike to offer a reduced loan repayment to Yorkshire bank.

 

[dongonzalos]

Why did it take balls? The council is a huge organisation with c£200m budget, 6-7k employees, a huge legal team and chief exec on £230k pa. They aren't some small business.

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would have been a lot easier to let SISU get their way

 

[stupot07]

would have been a lot easier to let SISU get their way

No it wouldn't.

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[will am i]

Hang on, the higgs was built in part specifically our academy, and bar one year we have been based there paying rent since it was opened.

In fact as now reported, having the academy there was instrumental in getting planning permission for building higgs on greenbelt land in the first place.

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Hang on the world has changed - how about the idiots who own us deal with the world as it is and invest some money.

 

[Nick]

would have been a lot easier to let SISU get their way

Applauds them for standing up to "bullies", meanwhile they bully others. Can't think of anybody better to be proud of.

 

[dongonzalos]

I think he believes the council is full of upstanding citizens with good morals and strong principles. The sort of people who wouldn't accept gifts that could be viewed as a bribe. Oh wait....

Or I just think they choose the tough path and stood up for themselves, when it would have been less painful to let SISU bully them into submission.
I haven't said anything about bribes morals ect.

 

[dongonzalos]

If the Council wanted to drive the value up why did it not issue a 250 year lease in 2014?

Not sure about driving it up
I think they just stood up to SISU when it looked like the value was was potentially going to be driven down to nothing.

Leaving a charity and the council with nothing

 

[Grendel]

Not sure about driving it up
I think they just stood up to SISU when it looked like the value was was potentially going to be driven down to nothing.

Leaving a charity and the council with nothing

No what I am getting at is that if they were so interested in ACL being successful thru would have offered ACL a 250 year lease before they considered selling. This would have driven up the value considerably.

They could have done it when CCFC were still playing there or before wasps started to bid.

They didn't - also when they agreed to sell their half for the price agreed that set the value of the Higgs share.

The council weren't bothered about the charity at all - or they'd have extended the lease.

 

[wingy]

The judge said that the club unilaterally decided to withhold the rent. The evidence given said ACL were asked to agree to a rent holiday but didn't give permission. The bit where SISU and the Council joined forces was when they were using the fact there was a rent strike to offer a reduced loan repayment to Yorkshire bank.

That was never going to happen once David Alvey joined the YB board IMO

 

[dongonzalos]

No it wouldn't.

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Of course it would
Look at what's happening now and everything that has happened over the last 4-5 years

 

[Grendel]

Of course it would
Look at what's happening now and everything that has happened over the last 4-5 years

And? It's nothing that is a big deal to a council the size of coventry. It's just a minor irritation in the scheme of things.

 

[dongonzalos]

It was reported the council were ok with the idea initially. No blinder person than someone who doesn't want to see.

I think it was SISU claiming that in the appeal
However the appeal judges who heard that allegation from SISU, which I think I recall was a key party of their aopeal ruled in favour of the original judgement. So they didn't agree with it.
So no blindness

 

[dongonzalos]

And? It's nothing that is a big deal to a council the size of coventry. It's just a minor irritation in the scheme of things.

Yes I am sure all this legal action, JUdicial Reviews, Ethical Hearings. The Secretary of State, the football club moving to Northampton. Having to do deals with Wasps.
The Ricoh empty
Was all standard day to day business as usual!!

 

[Grendel]

Yes I am sure all this legal action, JUdicial Reviews, Ethical Hearings. The Secretary of State, the football club moving to Northampton. Having to do deals with Wasps.
The Ricoh empty
Was all standard day to day business as usual!!

The council have legal departments to deal with judicial reviews.

The ethics hearing was a charade which took a day.

The rest is ACL business not the council.

 

[SkyBlueZack]

It was part of the initial road map set out between sisu and the council when they were talking. It didn't come to fruition for whatever reason. The council have never denied it.

 

[martcov]

It was part of the initial road map set out between sisu and the council when they were talking. It didn't come to fruition for whatever reason. The council have never denied it.

What didn't they deny?

 

[SkyBlueZack]

That they along with SISU thought withholding the rent would be good as it would reduce the value of the YB loan.

 

[Rusty Trombone]

It was part of the initial road map set out between sisu and the council when they were talking. It didn't come to fruition for whatever reason. The council have never denied it.

According to the info that came out in the court minutes, Fisher had a meeting with ACL and suggested a road map which included a rent holiday, ACL then phoned and wrote to him a couple of days later saying they didn't accept a rent holiday. The judge decided that the club unilaterally decided to withhold the rent.

 

[SkyBlueZack]

Or I just think they choose the tough path and stood up for themselves, when it would have been less painful to let SISU bully them into submission.
I haven't said anything about bribes morals ect.

You say stood up for themselves and call SISU bullies. Yet then claim it's nothing to do with morals? You think SISU are nasty bullies? The baddies to the councils goodies? So how was my post incorrect?