Monday Signings (6 Viewers)

Earlsdon_Skyblue1

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1) we don't play that formation and

2) McCann is suspended for the first 3 games

3) that's only 10 men

It will likely be

RCC

Willis
Ricketts
Harries

Kelly-evans
Vlad
Rose
Haynes

Jones
Sordel
Reid

I'll play at the back if needs be. Have we got anyone else on here that could possibly do a job too? Preferably already having passed puberty (yes I know that rules out half of you). We look pretty desperate for Saturday!
 

robbiekeane

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Don't make excuses for the 'messiah'.

It was a dick move to let him go.
I'm not making excuses, im being pragmatic and saying we have no idea what the conversation was.

The same as everything. We can speculate and make bold assumptions as we do, but the reality of being a football fan is we have no idea. Martin may have said to Mowbray that he wants to be playing week in week out this year otherwise he wants to leave, and he's rather know up front and make himself available for a good move than find out last minute....

....of course that may not have happened at all. It just cracks me up how emotional people get about things when they literally don't know the plan yet and we haven't finished in the transfer market clearly. For people not to be able to admit how little we actually know makes me laugh
 

covcity4life

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Big blown if true. Cb is position we most urgently need to fill


And with dominant cbs too. We know that stop gaps not always worth it.
 

Captain Dart

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Earlsdon_Skyblue1

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I'm not making excuses, im being pragmatic and saying we have no idea what the conversation was.

The same as everything. We can speculate and make bold assumptions as we do, but the reality of being a football fan is we have no idea. Martin may have said to Mowbray that he wants to be playing week in week out this year otherwise he wants to leave, and he's rather know up front and make himself available for a good move than find out last minute....

....of course that may not have happened at all. It just cracks me up how emotional people get about things when they literally don't know the plan yet and we haven't finished in the transfer market clearly. For people not to be able to admit how little we actually know makes me laugh

In fairness, you seem to get on your high horse about this more than anyone else. I can see your point, and you might not be wrong, but to jump to Mowbray's defence every single time is just a bit silly in my opinion.

He is a good manager, but he does make some mistakes. Letting Martin go might not be one of them, but failing to replace him before the season starts certainly is.
 

Earlsdon_Skyblue1

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Only time will tell. Martin had a better season last season but otherwise had generally been considered something of a liability.

You're not wrong. However, I measure him on last season above everything else.

As I've just mentioned, I don't have an issue with him going if we strengthen the defence as a result of it, but to start the season so weak at the back is extremely amateur.

As last season proves, every point counts for something.
 

covcity4life

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Martin so overated

We can find someone his level any second we want. Mowbray is holding out for better though hence the wait.
 

Liquid Gold

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I do feel we've left it a bit late this year though. Going into the first game with 3 defenders in Willis (who didn't play much last year), ricketts (who finished poorly last year) and one of the kids plus DKE who is untested at right wing back and Haynes who has been tested and was poor last season at the other is pretty bad business.

I thought the whole idea of tactics was to get the best out of what we have. We shouldn't be playing this formation if we don't have the personnel or can't bring them in. We also should have tried other formations in pre season
 

I_Saw_Shaw_Score

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I do feel we've left it a bit late this year though. Going into the first game with 3 defenders in Willis (who didn't play much last year), ricketts (who finished poorly last year) and one of the kids plus DKE who is untested at right wing back and Haynes who has been tested and was poor last season at the other is pretty bad business.

I thought the whole idea of tactics was to get the best out of what we have. We shouldn't be playing this formation if we don't have the personnel or can't bring them in. We also should have tried other formations in pre season

But imagine playing DKE & Haynes full backs alongside Willis and Ricketts in a 442

I know it's only Harries in but any help think 5 in there for potential damage limitation!

Awful way to be thinking but can't help but think it!
 

SkyBlueCRJ

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It's clear signings will come in I'm not worried about that but what I am concerned with is the amount of games we may have to sacrifice because we don't have enough quality players in. I'm sorry but the team we have now is a relegation team in my opinion. Theres no point sugar coating it. With DKE, Willis, Ricketts, Stokes and Haynes currently in our back 5 that is the worst defence in the league. We have 3 games for Mowbray to put together a solid, competitive team. Every point counts, and I don't think Mowbray really appreciates this, he constantly claims there are plenty of points to play for which isn't untrue, but 3 games last season was the difference between play-offs and mid table.
 

smileycov

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Yes that is true, but we didnt miss out over 3 games. We missed out because we failed to win enough from November ish through to the late surge. We need good players in, i am happy to hang on if it means getting that. Sick of icking up crap just tbecause we have rushed down to panic.
 

Brylowes

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Yes that is true, but we didnt miss out over 3 games. We missed out because we failed to win enough from November ish through to the late surge. We need good players in, i am happy to hang on if it means getting that. Sick of icking up crap just tbecause we have rushed down to panic.
It's not rushing in and getting crap, it's the close season, time for players to take a rest, but
More importantly the time to recruit, work on new systems, formations and generally prepare
for the START of the season.

For a professional football club to be so unprepared is unbelievable, and says everything
About where we are as a club. IMHO
 

ccfcway

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other thing is that even when / if these players sign at the end of Aug, isn't it going to take them time to be match fit and play in our system ?
 

luwalla

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It's not rushing in and getting crap, it's the close season, time for players to take a rest, but
More importantly the time to recruit, work on new systems, formations and generally prepare
for the START of the season.

For a professional football club to be so unprepared is unbelievable, and says everything
About where we are as a club. IMHO

To be fair to TM its clear he wanted to get everything done closed season & go into the new season with his squad ready to go, but he is playing with peanuts money wise!!

It must be bloody hard to get deals over the line when you simply dont have the money to compete or make it finacially attractive for these guys to sign before other clubs come in ... he most likely hasn't seen any Madison money, otherwise im sure we wouldn't be struggling to recruit the way we are.

If we sold vincelot for 50k to free up money to sign ( TM said the day before he was sold that one or two will have to go to allow us to do incoming business ) then that sums up where we are financially - 50k for one of best players!!!
 

Brylowes

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To be fair to TM its clear he wanted to get everything done closed season & go into the new season with his squad ready to go, but he is playing with peanuts money wise!!

It must be bloody hard to get deals over the line when you simply dont have the money to compete or make it finacially attractive for these guys to sign before other clubs come in ... he most likely hasn't seen any Madison money, otherwise im sure we wouldn't be struggling to recruit the way we are.

If we sold vincelot for 50k to free up money to sign ( TM said the day before he was sold that one or two will have to go to allow us to do incoming business ) then that sums up where we are financially - 50k for one of best players!!!
I completely agree, I'm not blaming Mowbray.
 

Nick

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To be fair to TM its clear he wanted to get everything done closed season & go into the new season with his squad ready to go, but he is playing with peanuts money wise!!

It must be bloody hard to get deals over the line when you simply dont have the money to compete or make it finacially attractive for these guys to sign before other clubs come in ... he most likely hasn't seen any Madison money, otherwise im sure we wouldn't be struggling to recruit the way we are.

If we sold vincelot for 50k to free up money to sign ( TM said the day before he was sold that one or two will have to go to allow us to do incoming business ) then that sums up where we are financially - 50k for one of best players!!!

Is he playing with peanuts? I'd bet he is playing with more than a lot of teams in our league.

I am not sure people understand the whole budget thing and that pretty much every team is in the same position.
 

robbiekeane

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Is he playing with peanuts? I'd bet he is playing with more than a lot of teams in our league.

I am not sure people understand the whole budget thing and that pretty much every team is in the same position.
Falls on deaf ears mate....unless we have a Wigan budget and can romp the league with it then everything's the owners fault.
 

Nick

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Falls on deaf ears mate....unless we have a Wigan budget and can romp the league with it then everything's the owners fault.

Our managers do have an easy job really, whatever the result they never get the blame.

I would say either a lot of our fans are unrealistic or they can't see that it is the same for most other league 1 clubs.
 

robbiekeane

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In fairness, you seem to get on your high horse about this more than anyone else. I can see your point, and you might not be wrong, but to jump to Mowbray's defence every single time is just a bit silly in my opinion.

He is a good manager, but he does make some mistakes. Letting Martin go might not be one of them, but failing to replace him before the season starts certainly is.
Who's getting on their high horse about it?

I'm not just mindlessly jumping to his defence on everything, it's just innocent until proven guilty isn't it? If we get to the end of the transfer window and he hasn't built a competitive team and we're losing games, then we can start chucking toys out the pram then can't we? Similarly if we get to the end of the season and we miss out on something marginally by a few points and we get battered in the first couple of games and it wasn't worth the risk, then we can question the trade off then can't we?

But instead people are just hellbent on moaning about everything and bitching about not having any funds (even though there's no evidence of that), saying we have a relegation team already, etc etc. Just don't get it. It's likely the guys got a game plan, and is taking calculated risk by keeping the squad thin and going for quality rather than quantity, and accepting that we may have to wait longer to get the best quality.

Ideally we would have bought excellent players at the start of the transfer window, all for significant fees, beating the competition, and have a really long pre season smashing everyone and be ready way in advance. But unfortunately we're a third tier team with about 11k average attendances and no stadium, and so we need to be shrewd with our budget. Unfortunately people can't seem to wrap their little heads around that.
 

Warwickhunt

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i hope those youngsters are reading these comments and go out on the pitch and prove us all wrong
 

robbiekeane

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To be fair to TM its clear he wanted to get everything done closed season & go into the new season with his squad ready to go, but he is playing with peanuts money wise!!

It must be bloody hard to get deals over the line when you simply dont have the money to compete or make it finacially attractive for these guys to sign before other clubs come in ... he most likely hasn't seen any Madison money, otherwise im sure we wouldn't be struggling to recruit the way we are.

If we sold vincelot for 50k to free up money to sign ( TM said the day before he was sold that one or two will have to go to allow us to do incoming business ) then that sums up where we are financially - 50k for one of best players!!!
I see lot's of "it's clear" and "most likely" and "must be"'s
 

Liquid Gold

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I think what's happened is Mowbray has aimed for Championship quality players hoping for a smaller squad that would walk the league. What's happened is those players have had better offers elsewhere and we're now short going into the season. I don't want to see a situation like last year signing players like Lorentzon and having to wait 2 months before they are ready to play.

We missed out on playoffs by hardly anything last season, if we end up in the same position this year after a slow start it will be because our transfer policy has been poor.
 

smileycov

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Our managers do have an easy job really, whatever the result they never get the blame.

I would say either a lot of our fans are unrealistic or they can't see that it is the same for most other league 1 clubs.
but it doesnt apper that way though, i mean were possibly losing out to the likes of rotherham for christ sake!! if we had similar or better budget why do we keep getting gazumped, thats my only moan!
 

Kingokings204

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I think what's happened is Mowbray has aimed for Championship quality players hoping for a smaller squad that would walk the league. What's happened is those players have had better offers elsewhere and we're now short going into the season. I don't want to see a situation like last year signing players like Lorentzon and having to wait 2 months before they are ready to play.

We missed out on playoffs by hardly anything last season, if we end up in the same position this year after a slow start it will be because our transfer policy has been poor.

But why are we going for championship players when we can't offer them good wages to even some teams in our division? We have to hope these championship players either don't get a championship club and then drop down a league and don't go to a Bradford or Sheffield United? Seems unrealistic to me
 

robbiekeane

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I think what's happened is Mowbray has aimed for Championship quality players hoping for a smaller squad that would walk the league. What's happened is those players have had better offers elsewhere and we're now short going into the season. I don't want to see a situation like last year signing players like Lorentzon and having to wait 2 months before they are ready to play.

We missed out on playoffs by hardly anything last season, if we end up in the same position this year after a slow start it will be because our transfer policy has been poor.
Pretty fair summary, would agree with most of that. Still hoping that RE the bold bit above, he still might have them on the way it's just taking longer
 

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