skybluetony176
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Naive has nothing to do with it. The final say comes from Westminster. That's not a naive assumption that's a fact.
Naive has nothing to do with it. The final say comes from Westminster. That's not a naive assumption that's a fact.
Skyblueweeman
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I'm longing for this whole mess to be over, some billionaire Arab to buy us and for CCC to agree to some land purchase somewhere in Coventry (not a local, don't know where) and for us to have a new stadium to call our own.
I loved the Ricoh when it was built. After everything that's gone on, I'd be glad to see that back of the place and all the shit that's occurred because of it.
Fucking millstone around our neck...we need free of SISU, free of Wasps and free of the Ricoh. A fresh start.
Unfortunately, I'm prepared for continued shit-storms with CCFC. Off to dream about lottery wins...
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I loved the Ricoh when it was built. After everything that's gone on, I'd be glad to see that back of the place and all the shit that's occurred because of it.
Fucking millstone around our neck...we need free of SISU, free of Wasps and free of the Ricoh. A fresh start.
Unfortunately, I'm prepared for continued shit-storms with CCFC. Off to dream about lottery wins...
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dongonzalos
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So far Mr Sharp has come across quite genuine in his comments.
Which is worrying as he does not want a stadium of 20k.
If we don't get 25k when we first build it and go for 10-13k. It will never happen.
Which is worrying as he does not want a stadium of 20k.
If we don't get 25k when we first build it and go for 10-13k. It will never happen.
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Otis
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Yes, cos they will never, ever build it.
There hasn't been a 15000 let alone 25000 stadium there before - and there is no planning permission for a stadium that big. So how have the OAPs not done due diligence? If anyone should be checking things out it is SISU who should be looking for solutions instead of claiming an embargo.
You can explore all you want, but at the end of the day you need investors to inject hard cash to fund such a project. With SISU that ain't happening. Ever. Ever.
Otis
Well-Known Member
Exactly.
Sorry, but the stadium being there since 1880 just doesn't wash.
No one would have ever envisaged a 25,000 seater stadium at the Butts.
And it has been made perfectly clear even by Cov themselves that they don't want a 25,000 seater stadium there and it would be far too big for them.
We are not talking about a 3,000 to 5,000 seater rise. Local residents and the retirement home could have no complaints over that surely, but an increase from 3,000 to 25,000!!! That is off the scale. An absolutely huge increase beyond all reason.
As I and many others keep saying, the opposition would be absolutely immense and it simply wouldn't happen.
Nick
Administrator
So call them out, everybody act like it's a great idea and see what happens.
Astute
Well-Known Member
Call them out? I suppose you mean like we have already since Fisher said 3 weeks. There was the pictures of the stadium. And then there was the freedom of information act where we contacted councils all around the surrounding areas of Coventry. Then the same with Rugby as that was suggested by Fisher.
Are you just obsessed with having something else to blame CCC for? Anyone being honest about the location knows that there are various reasons for it not to happen. To me this is why they are saying that they want to build there. We know it won't happen but we can't prove it this time. Years could go by fighting planning regulations. Years of local residents fighting against proposals. And none of this can happen until CRFC have the lease without clauses stopping the build. Then wait until plans are drawn up where a stadium the size needed could fit. The list is endless.
And in this time it does just what SISU want. It buys them time where they can continue with JR's and hoping it all goes tits up for Wasps.
And what happens if SISU and Wasps continue to not negotiate on us staying at the Ricoh? So we end up having to leave again. SISU then go back to the FL to say we have to leave Coventry again as we have nowhere to play. So we end up playing wherever someone will have us. Many of our supporters will blame CCC just because they can. We get divided again like when we went to Northampton. SISU get let off the hook. The FL have the choice of letting us move again or kick us out of the football league. Or maybe even play our home games away. How much lower can we go?
clint van damme
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perhaps they haven't. Maybe this is what the no professional football covenant was all about.
skybluetony176
Well-Known Member
What's a great idea? We don't know what it is. A few comments in the Observer and to the SCG do not constitute a plan.
Who's everyone? It's the local community who needs to be in board. For that to happen things need to be happening like they've done at Ryton.
It's alright saying everyone get on board to call them out but there needs to be something to get on board with in the first place. Look at the difference between the work that's already gone into Ryton in little over a month since it was announced compared to what's gone into the BPA in a year pretty much since it was announced. I'm sure even you can see the difference. They've called themselves out with the two very different responses. One they clearly want to do the other they don't. See if you can work out which one is which.
Otis
Well-Known Member
Good point.
Be interested to know where this covenant originated from and why.
Bennets Afro
Well-Known Member
Wait until the end of the month when a decision is made if sharp will get the lease and see what happens after. I f he doesnt get the land lease then its not gonna happen anyway. too much speculation on here
Nick
Administrator
I haven't mentioned ccc have I?
Yet........
Well I'm going to have a stab at calling it.
If you look at the timeline and the articles there appears to be a pattern.
The first Les Reid article came swiftly behind the last failure in court.
Fisher was happy to comment and put up numbers of 12-15k capacity, stating also that it was CRFC's baby with the funding created through development around the stadium.
We all ruminated over it on here like having our bellies tickled to the point of delirium.
It was pointed out that the size muted would be inadequate.
Subsequent articles pointed to CCC interference, Covenants and sniffing out strategies involving embarrassing emails at the Council house.
We all having been distracted by Mowbrays amazing brand of football were in for a Jolt.
Other bodies and and facility owners we rely on drew their horns in.
To what end and strategy is unclear,certainly for any fear of being battered in court they've adopted very Cavalier attitude, maybe Nigel Benn is mentoring them all.
At this point IIRC Chris Anderson caught up with events but I can't remember if it's here or announcing his departure where the next Les Reid article comes in?
Reluctantly Fisher spoke up in dismay at John Sharp jumping the gun -yeah right!
The next article had Simon heralding at 11pm one evening that Millerchip had indeed agreed to sell the groundlease to John Sharp without pre-conditions.
Wow what a sea change
No comment from Reid Sharp or Fisher until the SCG and yesterday's article from Simon.
I'd say the calling out has been occurring for at least six months and,
As Skybluetony176 says the activity over Ryton has obviously dominated Laura Deerings time in the boardroom.
Just one or two inconsistencies need clearing up for the benefit of both sets of fans, Stadium size and just who's baby is it?
If you look at the timeline and the articles there appears to be a pattern.
The first Les Reid article came swiftly behind the last failure in court.
Fisher was happy to comment and put up numbers of 12-15k capacity, stating also that it was CRFC's baby with the funding created through development around the stadium.
We all ruminated over it on here like having our bellies tickled to the point of delirium.
It was pointed out that the size muted would be inadequate.
Subsequent articles pointed to CCC interference, Covenants and sniffing out strategies involving embarrassing emails at the Council house.
We all having been distracted by Mowbrays amazing brand of football were in for a Jolt.
Other bodies and and facility owners we rely on drew their horns in.
To what end and strategy is unclear,certainly for any fear of being battered in court they've adopted very Cavalier attitude, maybe Nigel Benn is mentoring them all.
At this point IIRC Chris Anderson caught up with events but I can't remember if it's here or announcing his departure where the next Les Reid article comes in?
Reluctantly Fisher spoke up in dismay at John Sharp jumping the gun -yeah right!
The next article had Simon heralding at 11pm one evening that Millerchip had indeed agreed to sell the groundlease to John Sharp without pre-conditions.
Wow what a sea change
No comment from Reid Sharp or Fisher until the SCG and yesterday's article from Simon.
I'd say the calling out has been occurring for at least six months and,
As Skybluetony176 says the activity over Ryton has obviously dominated Laura Deerings time in the boardroom.
Just one or two inconsistencies need clearing up for the benefit of both sets of fans, Stadium size and just who's baby is it?
Captain Dart
Well-Known Member
That's nice, your attitude is f**k the old codgers.
Astute
Well-Known Member
Not yetas Mart said
Do you really think that it has any chance of happening?
Like Dongo said they want to sell land. Everything happens straight away. When it comes to building or buying all we get is talk. Or maybe even a picture or two. They have had enough time to have started something by now. The Butts is perfect for them. Lots of problems to get around. It makes it look like they are doing something.
So they won't buy land. They wouldn't buy into the Ricoh when they could have. But I am supposed to believe that they are going to build a stadium on land that doesn't look big enough, has several problems, and to add to that they don't even own the land or have the lease
The only way forward I can see would be CRFC getting the lease and then selling it to SISU. That would get my full backing. But I am not going to give my full backing to what seems to be a fantasy.
Nick
Administrator
Has it ever been said it was being sold without pre-conditions?
The Ryton stuff started way before Deering was on the board also.
Nick
Administrator
Not yetas Mart said
Do you really think that it has any chance of happening?
Like Dongo said they want to sell land. Everything happens straight away. When it comes to building or buying all we get is talk. Or maybe even a picture or two. They have had enough time to have started something by now. The Butts is perfect for them. Lots of problems to get around. It makes it look like they are doing something.
So they won't buy land. They wouldn't buy into the Ricoh when they could have. But I am supposed to believe that they are going to build a stadium on land that doesn't look big enough, has several problems, and to add to that they don't even own the land or have the lease
The only way forward I can see would be CRFC getting the lease and then selling it to SISU. That would get my full backing. But I am not going to give my full backing to what seems to be a fantasy.
I am not sure I would be comfortable with it all being sold, I'd be happier with a 50/50 so Cov Rugby can benefit also. I wouldn't want CCFC storming in there taking it all over, as it is effectively what Wasps have done to us.
It does beg the question though, if it is all a smokescreen what is in it for Cov Rugby and Jon Sharpe?
Astute
Well-Known Member
We build a stadium and they play rent free or they just maintain the pitch?
Is the stadium costing them much to keep going? It is old now.
Nick
Administrator
It's only been open 12 years.
Just not sure what's in it for Cov Rugby to be going along with games.
She joined the board last summer didn't she.
Simon's article implied that yes.
Indeed CRFC fans will be keen to understand Mr Sharp's ideas.
Their fans won't be having that Astute.
Nick
Administrator
I don't think it has been said anything about it being without conditions yet.
Yes I think she joined the same time as Venus, but the Ryton stuff was going on before then.
Nick
Administrator
I wouldn't be happy with that, it's effectively like Wasps being here.
That's not my attitude at all, is it.
A retirement village with a sports stadium on one side and busy railway line on the other, it was never going to be tranquil for people's salad days was it? Then look at the cost, "...prices for 40% shared ownership one bedroom properties start from £69,980..."
To me it seems the ones 'f**king' our senior citizens are the ones responsible for developing a completely inappropriate site - now let's see who was involved:
Oh... what a surprise!
Nick
Administrator
Isn't there planning for a 15k stadium there anyway?
If anybody had a look into those homes, you would see they are encouraged not to be too "tranquil" also. They will generate plenty of noise of their own, they aren't going there to rot away quietly.
You could probably form a decent partnership with them, as they already work with SBITC I think.
If anybody had a look into those homes, you would see they are encouraged not to be too "tranquil" also. They will generate plenty of noise of their own, they aren't going there to rot away quietly.
You could probably form a decent partnership with them, as they already work with SBITC I think.
rupert_bear
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There might be an answer to this BPA issue and the whole stadium debate sooner than we think. Damien Collins Conservative MP for Folkestone & Hythe so hardly a biased local has agreed to mediate with Wasps and sisu significant ? could be Damien Collins I believe is chairman of the Select Committee for Culture Media and Sport which has power to call witnesses to give evidence in public might get answers to a number of related "where do we play come 2018/19" questions As a neutral and an MP in his position I think it will be difficult for Wasps or sisu to turn the offer down
Well it only hit the press last month.
Nick
Administrator
It didn't, it was in the news in 2014 when it was blocked when they tried so its been ongoing.
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