SkyblueBazza
Well-Known Member
'We' have no say in terms of outcome on it...so 'we' will not be party to any full details on anything in order to assess things. All 'we' have is a say on the impact of the outcomes reached
...onwards & upwards PUSB
Coventry City will die if we stay at the Ricoh - Fisher (4 Viewers)
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'We' have no say in terms of outcome on it...so 'we' will not be party to any full details on anything in order to assess things. All 'we' have is a say on the impact of the outcomes reached
...onwards & upwards PUSB
skybluetony176
Well-Known Member
It was probably a third of that but when CA went and Fisher took over things went from bad to worse. No wait. Silly me, actually when Wasps seen the pitch invasion by fans they trebled the price. Yep, that's right it's the fans fault.
The Reverend Skyblue
Well-Known Member
For me when he had the arrogance to blame the fans the other night any sympathy I had for him went out the window.
It was his worst and final mistake, you simply can't get lower than blaming his own and SISU's problems on the last 7000 fans still attending who have stayed loyal to the last
It was his worst and final mistake, you simply can't get lower than blaming his own and SISU's problems on the last 7000 fans still attending who have stayed loyal to the last
Otis
Well-Known Member
He truly shot shot himself in the foot. He had a chance to come out and at least sympathise or show some sort of understanding of the fans feelings.
He could have tried to offer an olive branch or shown reasoning, but instead came out and tried to blame the fans for the club's demise and also, laughingly, for driving potential investors away.
He came away from those interviews surely with more people disliking him even more than before.
He is supposed to be the bridge between the owners and the fans and at a time when he should have offered up hope, he offered none. Just another soundbite about talking to people re a new stadium.
This must be the 7th or 8th site!! He's either finding secret, hidden available locations us fans simply cannot find on Google, or he is talking to other clubs about groundshares.
I think after his two radio interactions the majority of fans fear for this club more than ever.
cloughie
Well-Known Member
So suddenly your in the know £750,000...................yet you are the biggest slagger off of anyone else who may offer 'inside info'
You are pathetic
Kingokings204
Well-Known Member
We need to stay at the Ricoh. We can all see that really. People who want to to move are the ones who are so pissed off with wasps they can't see the wood for the trees.
We rent a massive stadium with great facilities. We need to own it and it was for us of course but the last ten years haven't allowed it for various reasons. Now either building a new stadium circa 30m or redeveloping butts about the same and both with lower capacity just resigns us to league 1-2 football. Not to mention a burden of debt.
Either option therefore isn't great either renting or new stadium which is why it's such a mess. There is no answer. Short term always. Hence 2 year rent deals. No one knows what to do or haven't got the dosh.
We rent a massive stadium with great facilities. We need to own it and it was for us of course but the last ten years haven't allowed it for various reasons. Now either building a new stadium circa 30m or redeveloping butts about the same and both with lower capacity just resigns us to league 1-2 football. Not to mention a burden of debt.
Either option therefore isn't great either renting or new stadium which is why it's such a mess. There is no answer. Short term always. Hence 2 year rent deals. No one knows what to do or haven't got the dosh.
Otis
Well-Known Member
Short term, the Ricoh is the only answer. There is nothing else.
Only other option is a groundshare outside of the City and we all know that will once again just alienate fans even further and attendances will drop like a stone.
Long term? Well, the problem is very clearly Sisu there. There is perpetual talk of needing a new stadium, but it has always been just hot air. Not a single movement on that front in all these years. Not a site secure, not a single brick laid.
We can keep saying we need a new stadium until we are blue in the face, but we just know it is never going to happen under Sisu.
The only way we are going to get a new stadium is with new owners.
Coventry City will die with Sisu in charge.
italiahorse
Well-Known Member
Or we can tell them what we will accept and what we wont.
Should be done during the market research.
After all no point having a stadium nobody will go to.
Northampton shows how Sisu/TF predictions were totally wrong.
torchomatic
Well-Known Member
Which is why getting rid of the Ricoh was such a massive mistake. New owners won't make a difference when it comes to the Ricoh. And ironically without the Ricoh the chance of attracting new owners is pretty slim.
SkyblueBazza
Well-Known Member
Disagree. TF is too pig-headed to begin considering what we think. Sure he will listen, but doubt it will hold much influence over him. He has been 'weeding-out' the die-hard fans for ages now...he knows that as long as it is within fair reach of the city...any cheap n cheerful (for SISU) stadium will do for the 5-6k he whittles it down to by the time the Ricoh deal runs out
...onwards & upwards PUSB
oldskyblue58
CCFC Finance Director
Ccfc staying at the ricoh, assuming a reasonable rent deal does not kill Ccfc....... staying under Sisu might because of the toxicity of their relationship with almost everyone (including the fans) on anything fundamental or strategic.
What staying will do is put a glass ceiling on the maximum other incomes the club can generate, assuming that they are not prepared to think outside the box to get any new sources. Yes things like ground sponsorship might be difficult to achieve but there are ways to some of the other sources that do not have to involve wasps or perhaps do.
What staying at the ricoh will do is allow a better than average total turnover at L1 level. A turnover in excess of many of the teams and more successful teams in the division currently. The problem isn't just getting the income it is what and how it is spent
The glass ceiling is promotion and staying in the championship without additional owner backing. Right now I would settle for yo yoing between those two divisions and staying self sufficient
Strangely there is a tacit admission by fisher that incomes can be generated away from the ricoh in the joint venture on events etc at BPA. Why has it taken so long for this realisation and how can such things be expanded upon ?
What staying will do is put a glass ceiling on the maximum other incomes the club can generate, assuming that they are not prepared to think outside the box to get any new sources. Yes things like ground sponsorship might be difficult to achieve but there are ways to some of the other sources that do not have to involve wasps or perhaps do.
What staying at the ricoh will do is allow a better than average total turnover at L1 level. A turnover in excess of many of the teams and more successful teams in the division currently. The problem isn't just getting the income it is what and how it is spent
The glass ceiling is promotion and staying in the championship without additional owner backing. Right now I would settle for yo yoing between those two divisions and staying self sufficient
Strangely there is a tacit admission by fisher that incomes can be generated away from the ricoh in the joint venture on events etc at BPA. Why has it taken so long for this realisation and how can such things be expanded upon ?
Sky Blue Harry H
Well-Known Member
Do you think TF has spread himself so thin (staffing cuts etc) that he has missed these opportunities as a result (the metaphorical taking the eye off the ball)
oldskyblue58
CCFC Finance Director
I think what started as let's starve ACL of income to aide their demise it won't take long ...... led to resource and people at the club being lost, relationships and goodwill being lost..... which led to an inability to exploit opportunities..... and as costs were cut against falling income it became harder to kick start what the club could really use- additional income.
Now they are looking to add things at a much lower scale with this non match day joint venture suggested at BPA.
The drive to breakeven has been based on slashing costs with no real regard as to how that might affect income. Many incomes at a football club fall way if the club is not prepared to invest in supporting them .It is possible to drive incomes and breakeven at higher levels of turnover but it requires a little investment. It has as usual however been based on the short term..... and cutting cost..
It has always been possible to put on or develop other incomes at or away from the stadium. Far easier to complain its ours by right and its unfair we are not given those income sources - suits a picture painted though
Now they are looking to add things at a much lower scale with this non match day joint venture suggested at BPA.
The drive to breakeven has been based on slashing costs with no real regard as to how that might affect income. Many incomes at a football club fall way if the club is not prepared to invest in supporting them .It is possible to drive incomes and breakeven at higher levels of turnover but it requires a little investment. It has as usual however been based on the short term..... and cutting cost..
It has always been possible to put on or develop other incomes at or away from the stadium. Far easier to complain its ours by right and its unfair we are not given those income sources - suits a picture painted though
Grendel
Well-Known Member
The problem though is if new owners were looking at a football club they would want an easy in house solution and they would not want to purchase a club with terms agreed with another management company
oldskyblue58
CCFC Finance Director
So do what is suggested at BPA develop income streams elsewhere. Short term facility hire. Hell buy or build something brand it sky blue and have something to sell. They are in a rut with their thinking.... inflexible because of the arrogance of my way or no way. - which is probably the biggest weakness not strength.
There are ways round it
There are ways round it
Maybe some of the drive for a new stadium is coming from the other listed SISU director, Dermot John Coleman this guy seems to keep out of limelight and seems to be involved with St Helens RFC and another retired investment banker. Maybe some digging around on his possible involvement in SISU,s management of our club is justified.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/ru...ugby-league-says-chairman-Eamonn-McManus.html. Not sure if I've posted link correctly but interesting read.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/ru...ugby-league-says-chairman-Eamonn-McManus.html. Not sure if I've posted link correctly but interesting read.
ccfc92
Well-Known Member
And...... STILL people defend him.
oldskyblue58
CCFC Finance Director
But Ccfc and Sisu have to deal with what is. To make Ccfc as attractive as possible. For them to not source the potential for other income damages the team, the brand, and the investment. It lowers not raises the perception of the club, breaks links with fans, especially the business community.
Anyone coming in may well have other ideas, prefer an in house solution. But we don't have a stadium, so they have to deal with that from the get go, deal with in house solutions. We don't have to get in to long term agreements on the other incomes. Even if we signed a long term agreement at the ricoh it doesn't stop income sources being developed away from the stadium.
They could even franchise it all out. They didn't have a problem doing that with the club shop and match programmes.
What they have done is for years done nothing, blamed everyone else and slashed the costs involved.
Gosford Green
Well-Known Member
How are you party to the figure of £750k ?
You are either making this up or an insider at the owners, both are probable but I will go with the former.
This is coming from someone that screams "wheres the proof" at almost anything,
Reprehensible twat.
I do!!
shmmeee
Well-Known Member
Haven't you heard? He's got insiders now. Just like the ones that told him all the juicy details about the council that meant they would definitely 100% lose the JR. You know, he ones he wouldn't name specifically and kept putting in cryptic answers like "you'll find out" and turned out to be absolute bollocks.
He's making it up. He makes everything up. His track record is about as good as SBKs, just with an unearned tone superiority. The guy spends more time on here than Nick, you think he's got time to meet insiders?
Grendel
Well-Known Member
Odd as when people throw rumours out about £800 wage bills and players leaving through poor budgets that seems very acceptable
I wonder why.
italiahorse
Well-Known Member
The income streams don't need to be at the Ricoh as seems to be pursued in this joint venture at the BPA.
Perhaps buy the old club at the bottom of Burbages lane and build a complex there.
Hotel with Gym and conference facilities which can be used on match days as a meeting point for fans.
Perhaps buy the old club at the bottom of Burbages lane and build a complex there.
Hotel with Gym and conference facilities which can be used on match days as a meeting point for fans.
Grendel
Well-Known Member
Odd how some people react to things when their own interests are challenged,
Also I said they would lose the JR - Ho hum.
stupot07
Well-Known Member
Staying at the Ricoh on a 23-26 day per annum rental deal puts a glass ceiling firmly above us. Saying we will die staying there is as extreme as peole saying we are currently dead under sisu. We're stuck there for the short-to-medium term (5-10 years or so) but our long term future now rest away from tbr Ricoh.
Its good to see thr club trying to increase revenues by working with CRFC, but in the long term we really need to own or wholly leasehold our own stadium to move forward both in terms attracting a decent owner, increasing revenue, and for our identity as wasps inevitably continue to rebrand the Ricoh.
I find it interesting that by renting the stadium 365 day per annum and having access to all revenue streams, walsalls turnover was about 40% higher than ours in the last set of accounts despite having 50% less attendance's. Let's hope the work with CRFC can start to bridge that gap.
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Its good to see thr club trying to increase revenues by working with CRFC, but in the long term we really need to own or wholly leasehold our own stadium to move forward both in terms attracting a decent owner, increasing revenue, and for our identity as wasps inevitably continue to rebrand the Ricoh.
I find it interesting that by renting the stadium 365 day per annum and having access to all revenue streams, walsalls turnover was about 40% higher than ours in the last set of accounts despite having 50% less attendance's. Let's hope the work with CRFC can start to bridge that gap.
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Captain Dart
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I think you need to look into the differences carefully to decide if this is good or bad, I'm guessing Walsall have greater outgoings but significantly higher income from hospitality & parking. It might be worth spending a few hours to find out.
The wanker just talks for the sake of it, he can't even remember what lie or trumped up crap he has come out with last time he opened his vile treacherous gob ! He is just following Joy's agenda, nothing more nothing less. I imagine they have had a few meetings with their legal leeches since their last rebuke and are wondering what they can launch next. Whatever it is, it won't be in the interest of the football club. Parasites on society !
Grendel
Well-Known Member
Says the council spokesperson
skybluetony176
Well-Known Member
TBF I do remember you saying that. As always you had more than one version why. The two I specifically remember was "because they lost it on purpose" and "they should win it but they won't", although I'm fairly sure that there was more.
What was the reason that they lost in the end?
Nick
Administrator
So to sum it up, Walsall get lots more money coming in and lots more going out than us? If more money comes in, more can go out.
Why would that be a bad thing?
CCFC SHOULD be trying to get as much money in as possible, even if it is selling ccfc branded y fronts on ebay or something. Need to think outside the box.
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stupot07
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Yeah probably is worth a bit mkre exploration, that said, IIRC they have made a profit for 10 of the last 11 years though so must be doing something right.
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oldskyblue58
CCFC Finance Director
Walsall turnover 2015 5.6m CCFC 4.8m ....... Walsall 2016 6.5m we haven't got the 2016 figures for CCFC so don't actually know, although Fisher seemed to indicate a decline.
However a couple of comments on the Walsall figures
- 2015 they reached the JPT final and that is going to have improved incomes on and off the pitch, from fans, from commercial, from sponsorship, from prize monies from increased TV revenue
- 2016 they reached the play off semi finals, having just missed out on automatic place again that will have improved incomes as in 2015
- It doesn't look like the player trading is disclosed as a separate figure and I assume is included in the football and other income if there was any
- total wage costs (not just players) 2016 3.6m and 2015 3.0m - CCFC 2015 was 5.2m
- match day incomes 2015 1.5m for Walsall CCFC 1.7m. Walsall figure similar to 2015 in 2016
Looks to me that the difference could at least in part be explained by the success Walsall have achieved on a lower wage bill. Is it down to just occupying the stadium 365 days?
Walsall have made a profit in 20 out of 23 years................
However a couple of comments on the Walsall figures
- 2015 they reached the JPT final and that is going to have improved incomes on and off the pitch, from fans, from commercial, from sponsorship, from prize monies from increased TV revenue
- 2016 they reached the play off semi finals, having just missed out on automatic place again that will have improved incomes as in 2015
- It doesn't look like the player trading is disclosed as a separate figure and I assume is included in the football and other income if there was any
- total wage costs (not just players) 2016 3.6m and 2015 3.0m - CCFC 2015 was 5.2m
- match day incomes 2015 1.5m for Walsall CCFC 1.7m. Walsall figure similar to 2015 in 2016
Looks to me that the difference could at least in part be explained by the success Walsall have achieved on a lower wage bill. Is it down to just occupying the stadium 365 days?
Walsall have made a profit in 20 out of 23 years................
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Sky Blue Kid
Well-Known Member
Listen. I make mistakes and put my hands up when wrong. Don't fucking dare put me in the same category as that shit!
oldskyblue58
CCFC Finance Director
having a 23 day per year agreement at the stadium does not exclude or prevent putting on other events at the Ricoh or another venue............ the refusal/reluctance/inability to spend hard cash does.
Given they have reduced turnover by their own decisions (franchise of shop & programmes) then the club are it seems are happy that maximising the turnover figure is not the absolute key.
Given they have reduced turnover by their own decisions (franchise of shop & programmes) then the club are it seems are happy that maximising the turnover figure is not the absolute key.