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[chiefdave]

so when everyone was on the HR pitch with Jimmy Hill singing the Sky Blue song why did no-one get prosecuted?

This question, or similar, has been asked a few times so I had a lawyer friend take a quick look. Just to point out it was only a quick look so don't rely on this!

In his opinion you could argue that post match celebratory pitch invasions aren't actually an offence. The offence is going on to the playing area during a designated match apparently. There would be a time limit on that, for example if you went on the pitch on a non-match day you wouldn't be in breach. So the question would be, which he thinks isn't defined and has never been tested in court, at what point does it cease to be the playing area?

His thinking was post match you could argue it wasn't, therefore it would be trespass and you're not going to get a ban for that.

 

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[letsallsingtogether]

So why are fans banned from supporting England, Scotland, Wales and N. Ireland abroad, when they've been banned from domestic games???

Because will have a banning order against them and they are classed as hooligans.

 

[oldskyblue58]

Fisher from his perspective has to emphasise the banning of fans. He knows damn well the reaction he will get.

- he is trying to stop future pitch invasions
- he is trying to show the EFL that he is taking action
-he is trying to mitigate any up coming fine
- he is saying to everyone that there is strong management that wont be deflected or bullied (you don't have to believe it)

I am not saying I agree with a heavy handed approach, but the authorities will see laws and regulations broken and will expect action. It can not be denied there was a clear breach peaceful or not.

-he is not really bothered if it upsets fans. He has already said that he will act accordingly to balance the finances. He has repeatedly said the fans are not going to like it but....

Can the club issue banning orders yes and may well do in order to regain credit with the EFL. Can the club/EFL ask the police to investigate yes, it is then a decision to issue bans, fines etc is for the police/CPS - the EFL can not tell/demand neither can the club. The police could decide to investigate of their own accord and act as they see fit

He is banking on the fans forgetting once the team keeps winning again.

As for the massive improvement in the finances - not really quite as good as he is claiming for operating profits...... as on other occasions he doesn't quite compare like with like

 

[bawtryneal]

All he's doing is scaremongering to try and prevent a repeat invasion at the next home game.
The guy gets worse every time he opens his repulsive mouth.

It makes it more likely to have another pitch invasion in my opinion.
I am currently on strike with the club but if there is going to be another invasion I will be there 100%
I think next time the numbers will be double or treble last time

 

[Sky Blue Kid]

Because will have a banning order against them and they are classed as hooligans.

Yep. That Blonde and those little kids sure look hooligan material to me

 

[fernandopartridge]

So why are fans banned from supporting England, Scotland, Wales and N. Ireland abroad, when they've been banned from domestic games???

It's got nothing to do with what TIM FISHER can or can't do.

You're best off asking legislatures why football banning orders are so draconian.

 

[shmmeee]

I'm never hated him upto now. Thought he was a smug, know all arse, but never hated him.
But I defend any supporters right to peacefully protest when they've been through the shit we have.

Seeing fellow Sky Blues treated like criminals for trying to do something to save the club they love is a step too far for me. Enough is enough.

Glad to see people seeing him for what he is. Got his number a while ago, he's a lying piece of shit who will do anything to further his bosses interests. Sociopathic levels of lack of empathy. Interesting how many were cheering him on then who are now expressing disgust in this thread.

 

[dongonzalos]

Didn't listen in the end.
Which really surprises me as I normally wouldn't miss it for anything.

He either doesn't accept or understand that pushing for breakeven is pointless. As you make the cuts the quality drops and revenue will naturally drop.
There has to be a point where you can no longer do that and you either invest to attract revenue or you walk away.
It seems we are gambling hoping we can get a manager who can massively over perform. Or we keep unearthing gems to sell.
I don't see any actual long term plan.
Attempting to get a long term deal at the Ricoh and stating that the Butts was our preferred option.
Shows that building a new stadium isn't happening.
So what is the long term plan?

He also doesn't seem to accept or understand the damage the legal action is causing.
It's all good and well telling us that is nothing to do with the club or him.
He doesn't have a 'men in black' wand. We do remember him telling us all about the legal action why it was happening what it is all about. Why judges don't actually understand the law correctly. Him attending court. We do know he is involved in it. The club are involved in it because our owners are taking the action and whilst it is happening key partners will not engage with us.

So we have cost cutting towards an ever decreasing breakeven point.
We have legal action that will no doubt fail again.

What is the long term benefits of these two actions?

We have two deadlines looming for our training ground and stadium. With no update on either.

I hope Russell Slade can defy all odds but without that we are screwed.

 

[georgehudson]

Imho, there was almost a note of glee in his voice as he went to great lengths to emphasise the illegalities, stress what would be done, & continued to then talk about building bridges with the customers ?
What on earth ???
He stressed that he played for the local miners welfare, & had a great knowledge of football ? Really ?
Having spoken to many fans this afternoon, the overiding opinion is that the gloves are off !!

 

[letsallsingtogether]

Didn't up listening in the end.
Which really surprises me as I normally wouldn't miss it for anything.

He either doesn't accept or understand that pushing for breakeven is pointless. As you make the cuts the quality drops and revenue will naturally drop.
There has to be a point where you can no longer do that and you either invest to attract revenue or you walk away.
It seems we are gambling hoping we can get a manager who can massively over perform. Or we keep unearthing gems to sell.
I don't any actual long term plan.
Attempting to get a long term deal at the Ricoh and staring tgat the Butts was our preferred option.
Shows that building a new stadium isn't happening.
So what is the long term plan.
He also doesn't seem to accept or understand the damage the legal action is causing.
It's all good and well telling us that is nothing to do with the club or him
He doesn't have a men in black wand. We do remember him telling us all about the legal action why it was happening what it is all about. Why judges don't actually understand the law correctly. Him attending court. We do know he is involved in it. The club are involved in it because our owners are taking the action and whilst it is happening key partners will not engage with us.

So we have cost cutting towards an ever decreasing breakeven point.
We have legal action that will no doubt fail again.

What is the long term benefits of these two actions?

We have two deadlines looming for our training ground and stadium. With no update on either.

I hope Russell Slade can defy all odds but without that we are screwed.

Got to be honest I didn't listen ether, the man is just full of shit can't take anymore of his bullshit.
The quicker he's gone the better.

 

[skybluedan]

So why are fans banned from supporting England, Scotland, Wales and N. Ireland abroad, when they've been banned from domestic games???

I've had a few back in the day from Highfield and international when I got a ban from England I was not allowed to go city either but did go England games when banned from city

 

[dadgad]

Fisher is one Odious bastard

 

[Moff]

Just caught up with Fishers pile of shit on Talksport. As usual exactly what I expected, a pile of shit.

Didn't listen live as like others new exactly what was coming. Same old bollocks.

 

[Moff]

Tim is not the Law.
This is...http://www.cps.gov.uk/legal/d_to_g/football_related_offences/

The CPS decide if there is sufficient evidence to convict & 9/10 of the law is discretion. He knows this the same as everyone else.

His bravado, showboating, bully-boy rhetoric is what makes him such a comical, contemptible idiot

...onwards & upwards PUSB

Exactly this.

His comment that they will have their passports taken off them at the borders is UTTER shit, as this does not happen.
If someone is subject to a banning order and intelligence suggest they are going to attend a game or tournament eg) Euro championships, it can be requested that they are not allowed to travel to the area where the game is. If they go to the border they will be stopped and turned away. Only the most extreme hooligans have to relinquish their passport for the duration.
It does not stop you going abroad, and passports will not be seized.

 

[harvey098]

Where does he sit at the Ricoh?

 

[skybluedan]

Where does he sit at the Ricoh?

Yeah good point is he always in the same seat

 

[no_loyalty]

The fans wont need to carry on with NOPM, that fucking useless twat Fisher will do it for us

 

[SkyBlue_Bear83]

Yeah. Jim asked if all had been forgiven and he said 'absolutely not. Entering the field of play is illegal and the police are in the process of identifying everyone. It won't be just from the Ricoh, passports will be taken at the border.' Obviously he's that embarrassed by being shown up on national television that he now has a personal vendetta.

Is it any surprise? the fat scruffy c**t let his personal vendetta with acl and council get in the way of doing the best for the club.

 

[Nick]

There's no way they are going to take passports for that as it was peaceful, I'd say he said it to try and put others off going on the pitch and to make it look like the club is doing something.

Has anybody had a knock at the door yet for going on the pitch? Whether it was peaceful or not, people knew full well the risks of running on the pitch while the game is being played, although I can't see the extreme stuff he mentioned happening at all.

If he had gone on and said "Oh no, we understand the passion so we wont do anything" then it makes it look like fair game to do it every week and then the football league fine the club for not controlling it.

It could have been done with a "Im meeting with the police and speaking to the FA to see what is advised" or something, much better ways to handle it and say the same thing...again.

 

[skyblueinBaku]

Where does he sit at the Ricoh?

Wherever it is, it's close to some stairs so that he can swiftly do a runner when the fans get too close.

 

[martcov]

There's no way they are going to take passports for that as it was peaceful, I'd say he said it to try and put others off going on the pitch and to make it look like the club is doing something.

Has anybody had a knock at the door yet for going on the pitch? Whether it was peaceful or not, people knew full well the risks of running on the pitch while the game is being played, although I can't see the extreme stuff he mentioned happening at all.

If he had gone on and said "Oh no, we understand the passion so we wont do anything" then it makes it look like fair game to do it every week and then the football league fine the club for not controlling it.

It could have been done with a "Im meeting with the police and speaking to the FA to see what is advised" or something, much better ways to handle it and say the same thing...again.

He could have stressed that he respects that it was peaceful and will point this out, but...... it was illegal and he would suggest the minimum punishment if fans who were contacted by the police gave assurances that they would never go on the pitch again. If anyone does go on in future for whatever reason - that's it. Throw the book at them.

Once is a mistake, twice is a habit....

I felt that it was necessary to go on as a one off... and actually good that people could let off steam with the whistling and chanting, but TF has now stoked up the boilers again and people are back to the point of exploding again. I don't get the physcology....

It could have been turned into a new start with open frank meetings or a forum to get the badness out. Let every one have their say - argue, insult each other and then agree that they all want the same thing. It makes me think we don't want the same as Tim as he treats the fans with contempt instead of taking their frustration on board.

 

[Nick]

He could have stressed that he respects that it was peaceful and will point this out, but...... it was illegal and he would suggest the minimum punishment if fans who were contacted by the police gave assurances that they would never go on the pitch again. If anyone does go on in future for whatever reason - that's it. Throw the book at them.

Once is a mistake, twice is a habit....

I felt that it was necessary to go on as a one off... and actually good that people could let off steam with the whistling and chanting, but TF has now stoked up the boilers again and people are back to the point of exploding again. I don't get the physcology....

It could have been turned into a new start with open frank meetings or a forum to get the badness out. Let every one have their say - argue, insult each other and then agree that they all want the same thing. It makes me think we don't want the same as Tim as he treats the fans with contempt instead of taking their frustration on board.

Agree, the same things can be done in 2 different ways and get different outcomes. The same with the break even stuff, it could be done so much differently by explaining it. I think even one of the presenters was saying he agrees about the break even stuff, it is just the way it is put across.

It's silly say say about mending the fence or whatever it was he said with fans and then go about things the way he does.

At the end of the day, I don't agree with the pitch invasion but if they were my "customers" I'd find out all of the names and invite them in for a chat away from the cameras. Say I understand they are frustrated but it can't happen again, protests are all well and good but get behind the team too and try to get them to understand about being break even etc.

 

[SkyblueBazza]

What are you talking about? I am saying that Fisher can ban fans from the stadium, as in he's the club's Chairman and has the authority to do so, like being barred from a pub.

The police / CPS can impose a football banning order, this can be either as a result of a criminal conviction or as a civil banning order where there hasn't been a specific conviction.

But Tim cannot take passports nor get the authorities to, nor ban them from anywhere but the Ricoh either.

...onwards & upwards PUSB

 

[SkyblueBazza]

Can he ban them from the stadium? He only rents it on matchdays doesn't he? Might be up to the grounds owners and or safety officers more likely.

He can ban them from the Ricoh on CCFC match days, & refuse them tickets (direct sales) for away games. Nothing more

...onwards & upwards PUSB

 

[SkyblueBazza]

So why are fans banned from supporting England, Scotland, Wales and N. Ireland abroad, when they've been banned from domestic games???

Because that is the authorities doing the banning not the individual clubs

...onwards & upwards PUSB

 

[SkyblueBazza]

Where does he sit at the Ricoh?

Wherever he wants within reason. There's loads of empty seats

...onwards & upwards PUSB

 

[CCFC54321]

TF's parents must say to each "how did we give birth to such a despicable little bastard?"

 

[letsallsingtogether]

Agree, the same things can be done in 2 different ways and get different outcomes. The same with the break even stuff, it could be done so much differently by explaining it. I think even one of the presenters was saying he agrees about the break even stuff, it is just the way it is put across.

It's silly say say about mending the fence or whatever it was he said with fans and then go about things the way he does.

At the end of the day, I don't agree with the pitch invasion but if they were my "customers" I'd find out all of the names and invite them in for a chat away from the cameras. Say I understand they are frustrated but it can't happen again, protests are all well and good but get behind the team too and try to get them to understand about being break even etc.

What the fuck are you blabbering on about?
This has nothing to do with break even, people just want them gone now for the irreversible damage they have done to OUR club.
As for getting behind the team I think the fans did a great job, yes those fans that went on the pitch are there week in week out supporting the team.
wake up ffs

 

[Nick]

What the fuck are you blabbering on about?
This has nothing to do with break even, people just want them gone now for the irreversible damage they have done to OUR club.
As for getting behind the team I think the fans did a great job, yes those fans that went on the pitch are there week in week out supporting the team.
wake up ffs

Read it and try and think past mumbling SISU over and over and you might understand.

I won't hold too much hope.

 

[martcov]

What the fuck are you blabbering on about?
This has nothing to do with break even, people just want them gone now for the irreversible damage they have done to OUR club.
As for getting behind the team I think the fans did a great job, yes those fans that went on the pitch are there week in week out supporting the team.
wake up ffs

TF could spin break even as in our interests because there is more chance of finding a buyer for a club that is stable than for one which is losing money.

He could say he agrees with the fans protest, as break even, although necessary, is shit until some mug/ bidder comes along.

He could say that he will do his best to keep the punishments to the minimum - if we get it clear that it won't become a habit.

He could say that he will meet as many fans as possible at a forum and put his cards on the table. He could even invite some of the demonstrators to a beer ( with security ).

But he has chosen the confrontational course...... The only way to get SISU to go, is to find some mug/ new owner... to pay Joy to go....

Sad, but that's the way it is...

 

[Nick]

TF could spin break even as in our interests because there is more chance of finding a buyer for a club that is stable than for one which is losing money.

He could say he agrees with the fans protest, as break even, although necessary, is shit until some mug/ bidder comes along.

He could say that he will do his best to keep the punishments to the minimum - if we get it clear that it won't become a habit.

He could say that he will meet as many fans as possible at a forum and put his cards on the table. He could even invite some of the demonstrators to a beer ( with security ).

But he has chosen the confrontational course...... The only way to get SISU to go, is to find some mug/ new owner... to pay Joy to go....

Sad, but that's the way it is...

That's the thing. It could be done so much better where people might actually be onside.

Its not about brain washing or anything else people will come out with, it's just treating people like humans. Yes, they might not agree but giving them the time of day would be a start and they would probably at least respect that.

 

[letsallsingtogether]

Read it and try and think past mumbling SISU over and over and you might understand.

I won't hold too much hope.

So why do you think they were protesting?
was it because of break even or because of all the other damage they have done.
Come on Nick look beyond blaming everyone else including the no supporting fans of CCFC

 

[Nick]

So why do you think they were protesting?
was it because of break even or because of all the other damage they have done.
Come on Nick look beyond blaming everyone else including the no supporting fans of CCFC

What are you on about "blaming everybody else"?

 

[martcov]

So why do you think they were protesting?
was it because of break even or because of all the other damage they have done.
Come on Nick look beyond blaming everyone else including the no supporting fans of CCFC

Your question was at Nick. Mine is, were people protesting to move things on by saying we want you out? What I thought. Or look what they've done in the past? Which doesn't move us forward. I agree they have screwed up, but I want people to see that club is down and come in with an offer..

 

[letsallsingtogether]

TF could spin break even as in our interests because there is more chance of finding a buyer for a club that is stable than for one which is losing money.

He could say he agrees with the fans protest, as break even, although necessary, is shit until some mug/ bidder comes along.

He could say that he will do his best to keep the punishments to the minimum - if we get it clear that it won't become a habit.

He could say that he will meet as many fans as possible at a forum and put his cards on the table. He could even invite some of the demonstrators to a beer ( with security ).

But he has chosen the confrontational course...... The only way to get SISU to go, is to find some mug/ new owner... to pay Joy to go....

Sad, but that's the way it is...

But to become break even you have to firstly give the customers what they want.
Sisu have driven this club into the ground alienated themselves from their fan base and have now decided to make the club self sufficent.
It is too late to do that now and expect the club to survive IMO.
We are in for a very sorry time worse then we have seen up to now.