Simon Jordan Interview - Part 2. (13 Viewers)
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I was eleven in 87
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The long and the short of it is, he says if Man City and West Ham don't need to own their own stadium to be a success, why do we?
(Placing crash helmet on now).
(Placing crash helmet on now).
stupot07
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£5m per annum gate receipts...hahahahahahahahaha
I think you have to put in context both man city and west ham moved grounds whilst in receipt of c£100m pa PL payments, man city have also got a mega rich owner who has spent millions on thr team in the last few years, plus their champions league cash etc. Hes also ignoring that thr £100k pa deal runs out next year and likely to be significantly higher and unlike man city and west ham our access to stadium revnues is extremely limited. Lots of clubs lease their ground but they lease it 365 day per annum and can generate income there. The only club in a comparable rental situtuation to us is Stockport county.
We don't need to own our own stadium, but we do need a 365 day per annum rental deal that enables us to have all matchday income and also generate non matchday income.
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I think you have to put in context both man city and west ham moved grounds whilst in receipt of c£100m pa PL payments, man city have also got a mega rich owner who has spent millions on thr team in the last few years, plus their champions league cash etc. Hes also ignoring that thr £100k pa deal runs out next year and likely to be significantly higher and unlike man city and west ham our access to stadium revnues is extremely limited. Lots of clubs lease their ground but they lease it 365 day per annum and can generate income there. The only club in a comparable rental situtuation to us is Stockport county.
We don't need to own our own stadium, but we do need a 365 day per annum rental deal that enables us to have all matchday income and also generate non matchday income.
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skybluetony176
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West Ham don't lease 365day, they lease match day only. Not even allowed to train on it. They have shop and offices there that they have 365day access to but they do get access to all match day revenue and a share of the the naming rights. This is the basis that the club should be looking at as a deal at the Ricoh, ain't going to happen under SISU though.
Captain Dart
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The SISU way, "they’re in a difficult position because they’re fighting with the people they’re negotiating with."
Leamington Pete
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The key for all clubs is Premier League money. West Ham would crash and burn if they dropped out of the Premier and failed to return quickly.
covboy1987
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I have said this all along and have written threads on here that you don't have to own your own stadium - There are many many teams sharing around the world and they are a success Swansea are a good example - We need investment like the Chinese are showing at WBA Wolves and Birmingham and the Chinese will get there return in the future - Our club philosophy seems to be we will create our own income - this will not work as this type of philosophy is suited to the Morecambe's etc that have not a large fan base - Simon Jordon see the same as me we still have a massive potential fan base and it needs tapping
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and they're fighting with their 'customers'. And neither will ever forgive them, so really what is the point in them staying?
Nick
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The 1m profit line again, not knowing it's ebit.
Will our fans be happy with us getting 5m just from tickets, imagine the price we would need to pay?
I'm not sure why people use Swansea as an example, it's completely different.
Isn't it 100k as well as match day costs?
We still employ grounds men also.
He paid 150 or 180k but got all revenues, hardly the same.
What we need to know is how he would go about funding the new team to get to the premier league with the hundreds of millions required.
Will our fans be happy with us getting 5m just from tickets, imagine the price we would need to pay?
I'm not sure why people use Swansea as an example, it's completely different.
Isn't it 100k as well as match day costs?
We still employ grounds men also.
He paid 150 or 180k but got all revenues, hardly the same.
What we need to know is how he would go about funding the new team to get to the premier league with the hundreds of millions required.
skybluejelly
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Why are we taking the word of someone that ran his club in exactly the same way and ended up going into administration and losing all his money .. of course we would be better off with bigger crowds in the premier league .. but it is catch 22 with the financial fair play rules ..
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Next time Fisher is on the radio they should say we have a special guest who would like to speak to you and bring out Jordan.
Nick
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What would he do though?
Nick
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There's no mention of ffp in there,all he says is they need a new team to get to the premier league and get tv money.
Is like saying we could get a team to score more goals than the opposition and we win.
How would he fund it, what would he do about ffp etc.
Again, looks like half a non story.
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This isn't going to be popular but we need to change the age that the senior tickets start I believe they start at 60 yet people work on until 65 minimum also some not all have far more spare income than the fans than pay the most the 18-60 bracket this will start to produce more money for the club as our fan base is old.
We could get 5m from ticket revenue if the product on the field was better as more would turn up.
Gosford Green
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For the usual few on here not going to Chesterfield this will keep them busy trying to defend SISU's absurb position.
West Ham are at the London Stadium on matchdays only they are not making constant noise about ownership and fighting with everyone.
SJ also hit on what many think about the new stadium line is nothing more than a bargaining position.
West Ham are at the London Stadium on matchdays only they are not making constant noise about ownership and fighting with everyone.
SJ also hit on what many think about the new stadium line is nothing more than a bargaining position.
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Fisher would flounce off as he doesn't want to answer real questions
skybluedan
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Yeah naked or she can bring her son Harvey and he can call fisher a c**t
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He knows the fans will return to see better football once these owners have gone which would bring in money so maybe put in a few quid to put some decent players on the pitch.As for ffp just ignore it if you have a successful team that gets promoted they will never catch you up.
skybluetony176
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I don't doubt that. Like most clubs that drop out of the premier league and don't bounce back quickly it will be the wages that will make them crash and burn. The stadium deal won't help unless they continue to sell out most home games but it's the wages that cripple clubs that come down ultimately.
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Yes and should never have been allowed
Nick
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You think when sisu go the fans would buy enough tickets to pay for a premier league push?
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Nick
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So what happens with FFP?
It's all well and good saying investment, but who is going to invest the hundreds of millions needed and not want it back if it doesn't work?
It is only going to be a rich billionaire from the Far East who is going to want to do that.
skybluetony176
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How many hundreds of millions have Burnley spent to get there? Twice in a very short period? You're talking about a town with a premier league club that has a population about the size of Rugby. There's always more than one way to skin a cat with the right thinking, application, acumen and desire. We would be an exception to the rule if we made it back to the premier league but we wouldn't be the only ones to ever do that. Not going to happen under SISU though is it? Under any method they try.
Warwickhunt
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We will never get the fans back! If we get to wembly by perchance 40/50k would become city fans overnight. Decent football will probably give us 13k fans on a regular basis.
Nick
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Interesting when searching Simon Jordan stadium rent.
I read Simon Jordan's book and it's a load of rubbish, says Ron Noades
I read Simon Jordan's book and it's a load of rubbish, says Ron Noades
Kingokings204
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I've never understood owning a stadium is crucial. It's always a benefit and especially when a London rugby club owns the stadium with your name in the seats but I wouldn't let me stop my football club from succeeding. 100k rent is nothing SJ is right.
The problem here is sisu and they are running the club into the ground and selling any player worth a penny to break even. It's a model destined to fail and where we are in the table suggests so.
The 1m profit doesn't matter to the average fan and it was only achieved by selling our best players again I.e Maddison. It's not a success. We are destined for league two and even if we stay up this season it's next season Imo.
It doesn't have to be like this, it could be very different with different views and different owners. Sorry but Jordan makes sense without being 100% correct I accept. Without sisu we have half a chance with sisu well to quote Jordan "Christ knows what will happen"
The problem here is sisu and they are running the club into the ground and selling any player worth a penny to break even. It's a model destined to fail and where we are in the table suggests so.
The 1m profit doesn't matter to the average fan and it was only achieved by selling our best players again I.e Maddison. It's not a success. We are destined for league two and even if we stay up this season it's next season Imo.
It doesn't have to be like this, it could be very different with different views and different owners. Sorry but Jordan makes sense without being 100% correct I accept. Without sisu we have half a chance with sisu well to quote Jordan "Christ knows what will happen"
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Nick nothing happens with ffp it just doesn't matter you get around it, look at Man City with massive sponsorship deals it's called imagination. Ffp is just a thing that our owners hide behind.
Gosford Green
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That is like asking Joy Seppala for her thoughts on Ann Lucas.
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That is getting the fans back there are teams in the prem and championship managing quite nicely on those figures
Nick
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I'm not sure he would, that's what he is good at.
Although it would make for great viewing / hearing.
skybluetony176
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Has there been any club ever who's fan's have purchased enough tickets to pay for a premier league push? How much would ticket prices need to be to do that? How big would a grounds capacity have to be to do that?
It's investment that ultimately get most if not all teams to the premier league. Some manage it on less such as Burnley but then you have clubs like Newcastle at the opposite end of the scale.
Not sure what point you're trying to make. It's investment that gets teams promoted not ticket sales and I don't believe you're stupid enough to not realise that so presumably you think everyone else is and you can get away with making a pointless, fact less statement like you did
SkyBlueZack
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This ain't going to happen whilst Wasps own the Ricoh. They need all the income they can to pay the bonds off, finance their biggest team in Europe ambition and most importantly fund their real estate aspirations.
It's all good though as SISU are the only enemy and threat to the football club.