Simon Jordan Interview - Part 2. (4 Viewers)

[shmmeee]

To get £5m?

I guess it depends on ticket prices.

Sorry not been following. Where does the £5m figure come from?

Crowds of 15k would mean you'd need an average of £14.50 per fan per game. That's about 50% more than current ticket income IIRC. Does it all need to be tickets?

 

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[Moff]

That was more everything going just right wasn't it? Like Leicester winning the premier league last season and Yeovil getting into the championship the other season

Yep totally agree. It was the team gelling and Holloway getting the best out of them. That said they are an exception to the rule, and didn't invest a lot.

 

[Nick]

Sorry not been following. Where does the £5m figure come from?

Simon Jordan said at 10,000 a season we should be getting £5m a year just off tickets.

 

[pastythegreat]

Nick nothing happens with ffp it just doesn't matter you get around it, look at Man City with massive sponsorship deals it's called imagination. Ffp is just a thing that our owners hide behind.

No, unless your a big club, you get punished for not sticking to ffp! Look at Bournemouth. Last year fined £7.6mil for breaching ffp. Nothing happens with it though?????

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[skybluetony176]

Yes, it's the jump between now and title contenders in the championship. How do we get there?

Getting rid of SISU is obviously the first step. Then some stability at every level of the club while reinstating some pride at every level of the club. Promotion out of this league is going to be a big help in all of that. Especially pride. Consolidate in the championship and unless we have a rich sugar daddy who's willing to do a Bournemouth with us we need to emulate someone like Burnley. This is of course going to require investment but the crucial thing is the thing that money can't buy. A happy club. Our club is toxic from top to bottom. Do you think Burnley or Bournemouth could have achieved all they have in the toxic environment we have to operate in? That can only change with SISU going, it starts with them.

 

[Nick]

Getting rid of SISU is obviously the first step. Then some stability at every level of the club while reinstating some pride at every level of the club. Promotion out of this league is going to be a big help in all of that. Especially pride. Consolidate in the championship and unless we have a rich sugar daddy who's willing to do a Bournemouth with us we need to emulate someone like Burnley. This is of course going to require investment but the crucial thing is the thing that money can't buy. A happy club. Our club is toxic from top to bottom. Do you think Burnley or Bournemouth could have achieved all they have in the toxic environment we have to operate in? That can only change with SISU going, it starts with them.

Bournemouth couldn't have done anything without a Billionaire.

Realistically, what's the plan to get us to being a contender in the championship?

 

[skybluetony176]

They also sold 50000 season tickets! Yeah let's compare us to West Ham

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I'm not.

 

[pastythegreat]

Has there been any club ever who's fan's have purchased enough tickets to pay for a premier league push? How much would ticket prices need to be to do that? How big would a grounds capacity have to be to do that?

It's investment that ultimately get most if not all teams to the premier league. Some manage it on less such as Burnley but then you have clubs like Newcastle at the opposite end of the scale.

Not sure what point you're trying to make. It's investment that gets teams promoted not ticket sales and I don't believe you're stupid enough to not realise that so presumably you think everyone else is and you can get away with making a pointless, fact less statement like you did

That is possibly the most stupid comment I've ever seen. Of course you could push with ticket sales.

Ok for example: sisu leave in May, new owners come in! We amazingly sell 20,000 season tickets at £300 each. Even before shirt sales and sponsorship deals, that's £6m. Nobody is stupid enough to not realise that should and could get us out of this league. Then onto the championship. We grow another 5 thousand fans. 25,000 tickets at £400 is £10m with much higher sponsor money and TV deals etc that, mixed with the right management, can at least push for top half. New owners and new lease of life could even negotiate a better deal with wasps/acl for match day revenues.

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[italiahorse]

We seem to have a mindset that we can't ever achieve anything.
Some on here jump down the throat of anybody talking positive, always offering excuses why we can't do it rather than offering ways of doing it.

As pointed out above, until we get rid of Sisu we can never start to feel positive as they are holding everything up.

 

[skybluetony176]

Do you really think any other club will get a deal like West hams rental one?

Has any other club tried? Is there that many other clubs with a situation that could allow it? The nearest comparable situation to ours with what is possible and achievable is West Ham if you look at the basics and don't side track it with talk of 50K season ticket sales, premier league status etc. Strip it down to the bare bones. They rent on a match day basis as do we. What is achievable on that basis? Why wouldn't you look to a deal that has been achieved in those circumstances that's better than anything we've ever negotiated and bring that to the table? I'll say again. They have access to match day revenue and take a share of the naming rights linked to a long term commitment to the site. Why is it beyond the realms of possibility that we could emulate that albeit on a smaller scale?

 

[italiahorse]

That is possibly the most stupid comment I've ever seen. Of course you could push with ticket sales.

Ok for example: sisu leave in May, new owners come in! We amazingly sell 20,000 season tickets at £300 each. Even before shirt sales and sponsorship deals, that's £6m. Nobody is stupid enough to not realise that should and could get us out of this league. Then onto the championship. We grow another 5 thousand fans. 25,000 tickets at £400 is £10m with much higher sponsor money and TV deals etc that, mixed with the right management, can at least push for top half. New owners and new lease of life could even negotiate a better deal with wasps/acl for match day revenues.

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That's more like it. :emoji_thumbsup:

 

[Irish Sky Blue]

No answer to the question then?



Well, according to you all energy should be focused on SISU, so does not that not kind of say they are the only enemy? Rather than fighting everyone who attacks the club? There is no motivation for Wasps to have a successful CCFC. Why would they hand over revenue when they have bonds to pay, also Beale and Cipriani salaries? Or will they stop signing marquee players so CCFC can try and become more successful?

If CCFC became successful, what do you think would be the result to Wasps ambitions?

How do we attack Coventry City Council and Wasps and what would be the purpose of this? How is mounting a campaign against these two going to help the club? Sisu are the enemy because they are continuing their process of destroying our club. They don't care about us as a football club. We are a means to an end to them and it is they who are in charge of our destiny not CCC or Wasps.

 

[rupert_bear]

This isn't going to be popular but we need to change the age that the senior tickets start I believe they start at 60 yet people work on until 65 minimum also some not all have far more spare income than the fans than pay the most the 18-60 bracket this will start to produce more money for the club as our fan base is old.

Oh what a classic remedy penalise probably the most loyal supporters we have, who have suffered over 40 years of shite following ccfc. I have a better idea cancel adult season tickets. Season ticket holders pay about £12 a match nearly 100% less than walk up fans and 50% less than game by game 60+ year olds.
Are you related to George Osbourne by any chance ?

 

[skybluetony176]

Blackpool, or did the Oystons invest millions?

Not every club gets to the Premier League investing shit loads of cash, but it does help.

Best point that out to Nick. He's the one saying it takes hundreds of millions not me. I actually forgot about Blackpool but I think we're singing of the same hymn sheet here that there's more than one way to skin a cat so long as it's done correctly. Although I think Blackpool largely fell on promotion with a huge slice of luck and what the Oystons have done since only really confirms that.

 

[skybluejelly]

If it is just money and investment .. why has it taken so long for Sheffield Utd to get out of this league.. admittedly they are top this year but how many years have they splashed the cash and not made it .. it takes a massive slice of luck to get promoted as well as investment .. simon Gilbert has done a great job again of getting fans arguing with a nothing story.. of course fans would return with a hint of success... I am by no means a sisu supporter but like tim fisher has stated why would they leave at the bottom of a cycle .. how much would Jordan pay for a business he thinks is making a million a year.. we know it isn't ,but Jordan thinks it is because that's what Gilbert has told him


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[skybluetony176]

Bournemouth couldn't have done anything without a Billionaire.

Realistically, what's the plan to get us to being a contender in the championship?

Plenty of clubs have failed even with billionaires and miserably. Rule of thumb is everything has to be right. A toxic environment doesn't promote success. If Bournemouth was a toxic club how many more millions would the billionaire owner had to invest to achieve a double promotion? They have an environment that gets the best out of players. You see it on the pitch, you see it in the manager everytime he talks. It's a happy club to be involved in and that only breed's success and overachievement. Mike Ashley couldn't do it on Bournemouth's budget at Newcastle in a million years just like he couldn't buy Newcastle out of relegation last season while Bournemouth survived on smaller crowds, less investment in the team and no superstars in the team.

 

[stupot07]

Not antagonising, genuine question.

What do you reckon our crowds would be if we were top 6 all season?

No idea. Very difficult to say. We were top 6 for 3/4 of last season (33 games/dropped out 5th march) and only averaged c12k. We didn't hit 15k mark until the gills game late November, that was followed up by 2 decent crowds. We ended up with an average of around 12k.

With the surge at the end of the season probably average 14-15k which would give you another £300-500k ticket revenue based on current average, giving you ticket revenue of about £2-2.2m. If you presume we were already using the full 60% that would give you an extra c£200-350k to the playing budget.


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[skybluetony176]

That is possibly the most stupid comment I've ever seen. Of course you could push with ticket sales.

Ok for example: sisu leave in May, new owners come in! We amazingly sell 20,000 season tickets at £300 each. Even before shirt sales and sponsorship deals, that's £6m. Nobody is stupid enough to not realise that should and could get us out of this league. Then onto the championship. We grow another 5 thousand fans. 25,000 tickets at £400 is £10m with much higher sponsor money and TV deals etc that, mixed with the right management, can at least push for top half. New owners and new lease of life could even negotiate a better deal with wasps/acl for match day revenues.

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Sheffield United must get promoted from league one every season then. Strange they keep coming up on the fixture list. Money isn't the only factor. Of you're lacking in the other factors you have to compensate with more money. If it's available.

 

[Nick]

We seem to have a mindset that we can't ever achieve anything.
Some on here jump down the throat of anybody talking positive, always offering excuses why we can't do it rather than offering ways of doing it.

As pointed out above, until we get rid of Sisu we can never start to feel positive as they are holding everything up.

Have I missed Simon Jordan saying how it would be done then or just "spend loads on team and get to premier league"?

 

[Nick]

If it is just money and investment .. why has it taken so long for Sheffield Utd to get out of this league.. admittedly they are top this year but how many years have they splashed the cash and not made it .. it takes a massive slice of luck to get promoted as well as investment .. simon Gilbert has done a great job again of getting fans arguing with a nothing story.. of course fans would return with a hint of success... I am by no means a sisu supporter but like tim fisher has stated why would they leave at the bottom of a cycle .. how much would Jordan pay for a business he thinks is making a million a year.. we know it isn't ,but Jordan thinks it is because that's what Gilbert has told him


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Exactly, Simon Jordan tweeted about having to look at past owners and a shit stadium deal with him.getting leading questions after.

Nearly all of the people doing interviews like this only know what they are told apart from the few who do follow it and are involved somehow.

 

[Irish Sky Blue]

If it is just money and investment .. why has it taken so long for Sheffield Utd to get out of this league.. admittedly they are top this year but how many years have they splashed the cash and not made it .. it takes a massive slice of luck to get promoted as well as investment .. simon Gilbert has done a great job again of getting fans arguing with a nothing story.. of course fans would return with a hint of success... I am by no means a sisu supporter but like tim fisher has stated why would they leave at the bottom of a cycle .. how much would Jordan pay for a business he thinks is making a million a year.. we know it isn't ,but Jordan thinks it is because that's what Gilbert has told him


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What is the bottom of the cycle? As things seem to get worse each year under Fisher and friends we never seem to get there. Presumably once we have hit the bottom there has to be an upturn for Sisu to sell. How will this happen with less fans, inferior players, perhaps not playing in Coventry, perhaps with no academy and perhaps with no training ground?

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

That is possibly the most stupid comment I've ever seen. Of course you could push with ticket sales.

Ok for example: sisu leave in May, new owners come in! We amazingly sell 20,000 season tickets at £300 each. Even before shirt sales and sponsorship deals, that's £6m. Nobody is stupid enough to not realise that should and could get us out of this league. Then onto the championship. We grow another 5 thousand fans. 25,000 tickets at £400 is £10m with much higher sponsor money and TV deals etc that, mixed with the right management, can at least push for top half. New owners and new lease of life could even negotiate a better deal with wasps/acl for match day revenues.

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Top post. Probably naive but a little organisation and encouragement to be involved and a little vision would make a difference even now. It's as if the club want to discourage people from coming

 

[pastythegreat]

Sheffield United must get promoted from league one every season then. Strange they keep coming up on the fixture list. Money isn't the only factor. Of you're lacking in the other factors you have to compensate with more money. If it's available.

What has sheff utd got to do with it? You said how can selling more tickets alone gain a club promotion back to the premier league? For years now I've said Sheff utd are league 1s answer to man city. Spend, spend, spend. Come up short in the end.
The question was could a team get promoted on just ticket sales alone? TM came up just short on a £3m budget. I've proposed a way to give a manager double that with just ticket sales!

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[Senior Vick from Alicante]

The only way the club can go anywhere is with a small amount of investment. We seem to have a manager that can achieve things given that backing but their in lies everyone's problem, we have owners that asset strip which is the exact opposite of what we need. I am not saying suddenly pump 5 or 6 million into the club but if you gave proper contracts to players to retain them that would be a start, it needs building progressively and prudently and it will rise again with out a massive cash influx.

 

[Southerner79]

More propaganda from the CT, although in fairness Simon Gilbert doing a great job as the wasps/CCC mouthpiece judging by the reaction so far.

Palace are where they are precisely because they now own their stadium, reunited the club with its ground and created the conditions for investment.

They entered administration under Simon Jordan's watch. At least he knows a thing or two about hedge funds.

Crystal Palace complete their incredible journey | FootballFanCast.com - Page 2

 

[skybluetony176]

If it is just money and investment .. why has it taken so long for Sheffield Utd to get out of this league.. admittedly they are top this year but how many years have they splashed the cash and not made it .. it takes a massive slice of luck to get promoted as well as investment .. simon Gilbert has done a great job again of getting fans arguing with a nothing story.. of course fans would return with a hint of success... I am by no means a sisu supporter but like tim fisher has stated why would they leave at the bottom of a cycle .. how much would Jordan pay for a business he thinks is making a million a year.. we know it isn't ,but Jordan thinks it is because that's what Gilbert has told him


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I don't think SISU have a choice but to leave at the bottom of the cycle. The bottom of the cycle will be the split second before they sign the documents that complete the take over of the club. The not selling at the bottom of the cycle ship sailed long ago.

 

[Terry Gibson's perm]

Oh what a classic remedy penalise probably the most loyal supporters we have, who have suffered over 40 years of shite following ccfc. I have a better idea cancel adult season tickets. Season ticket holders pay about £12 a match nearly 100% less than walk up fans and 50% less than game by game 60+ year olds.
Are you related to George Osbourne by any chance ?

The point is most of our over 60's have more spare cash, I have suffered 34 years nobody said there was a reduction after 40 years. Come back with an answer to produce more money at the gates without adding to the numbers then.

 

[Terry Gibson's perm]

No, unless your a big club, you get punished for not sticking to ffp! Look at Bournemouth. Last year fined £7.6mil for breaching ffp. Nothing happens with it though?????

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That must have hurt out of the £100 million plus they made for getting there. Was the fine from their last championship year?

 

[chiefdave]

West Ham are at the London Stadium on matchdays only they are not making constant noise about ownership and fighting with everyone.

The way matchday costs and the like are covered West Ham are essentially getting the stadium rent free. They also get a share of other revenues such as naming rights.

Their deal is a million miles away from what we have at the Ricoh.

Next time Fisher is on the radio they should say we have a special guest who would like to speak to you and bring out Jordan.

Why? That would be completely playing into Fishers hands. Its very clear Jordan hasn't got a grasp on some very basic facts about our situation. Fisher would run rings around him.

Also how will he get £5m just from ticket sales on 10,000 like he says?

Very roughly you'd be looking at doubling all ticket prices if you retained the same attendance with increased prices. Obviously that wouldn't happen so you'd have to more than double them hoping to reach a point where enough people would pay silly money to generate the revenue. Its basically impossible.

 

[skybluetony176]

What has sheff utd got to do with it? You said how can selling more tickets alone gain a club promotion back to the premier league? For years now I've said Sheff utd are league 1s answer to man city. Spend, spend, spend. Come up short in the end.
The question was could a team get promoted on just ticket sales alone? TM came up just short on a £3m budget. I've proposed a way to give a manager double that with just ticket sales!

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And if everything at the club was done just a little bit better he could have achieved more. If the training ground was maintained better and decorated with some pride already he'd have had more in the playing budget for players, there also might have been a higher level of pride at the club reflecting on the pitch. Just for example.

I'll use the example again of Newcastle and Bournemouth. Newcastle have to spend a lot more than Bournemouth to achieve promotion to the premier league. Why is that? Newcastle spent a lot more than Bournemouth last season. Bournemouth stayed up, Newcastle didn't. Why is that?

 

[pastythegreat]

That must have hurt out of the £100 million plus they made for getting there. Was the fine from their last championship year?

Regardless of what they made/spent, how many players would we need to sell to pay the fine for not sticking to ffp in league 1. The point made was ffp was easy to get around, my point was, if so, why have teams been fined for it? Bournemouth luckily have an owner happy to put his hand in his pocket! We don't! Breaking ffp for us would just be the final nail in the liquidation coffin for CCFC

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[pastythegreat]

And if everything at the club was done just a little bit better he could have achieved more. If the training ground was maintained better and decorated with some pride already he'd have had more in the playing budget for players, there also might have been a higher level of pride at the club reflecting on the pitch. Just for example.

I'll use the example again of Newcastle and Bournemouth. Newcastle have to spend a lot more than Bournemouth to achieve promotion to the premier league. Why is that? Newcastle spent a lot more than Bournemouth last season. Bournemouth stayed up, Newcastle didn't. Why is that?

I don't quite get what your argument is? If you're trying to make a point to me that sisu need to be gone and we need new management from top to bottom? Go back a and read my original post again!!

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[chiefdave]

Some on here jump down the throat of anybody talking positive,

Nobody is jumping down his throat but you only have to read the article to see he has very little clue about our situation and what led to it. He then comes out with a plan that is, to all intents and purposes, the same one Ranson tried.

Its not like its even coming from someone with a decent track record. He lost tens of millions and took Palace into admin!

 

[Terry Gibson's perm]

The way matchday costs and the like are covered West Ham are essentially getting the stadium rent free. They also get a share of other revenues such as naming rights.

Their deal is a million miles away from what we have at the Ricoh.

Why? That would be completely playing into Fishers hands. Its very clear Jordan hasn't got a grasp on some very basic facts about our situation. Fisher would run rings around him.

Very roughly you'd be looking at doubling all ticket prices if you retained the same attendance with increased prices. Obviously that wouldn't happen so you'd have to more than double them hoping to reach a point where enough people would pay silly money to generate the revenue. Its basically impossible.

Either it gets rid of Jordan who I think is a horrible character as he is made to look an ass or it shows Fisher up for the twat he is the people who have interviewed him so far haven't given him a hard time as they want him back on the show

 

[Nick]

Either it gets rid of Jordan who I think is a horrible character as he is made to look an ass or it shows Fisher up for the twat he is the people who have interviewed him so far haven't given him a hard time as they want him back on the show

Jordan isn't on the scene, there's nothing to get rid of?