SkyBlue_Bear83
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Exactly mate, people need to stop defending the actions of the hooligans yesterday because as you say it is indefendable. Instead they need to put there efforts into actual organised protests against SISU.
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SkyBlue_Bear83
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Last home match, I was one of about 20 who stayed behind for about 30 minutes after the match to continue the protest. Where was everyone else? In particular where were those who are now condoning yesterdays yobbish behaviour?
Want to make a statement then get 5,000 of us staying behind after a match and refusing to leave would make more of an impact than a few hooligans breaking some advertising boards and invading the pitch with smoke bombs.
Want to make a statement then get 5,000 of us staying behind after a match and refusing to leave would make more of an impact than a few hooligans breaking some advertising boards and invading the pitch with smoke bombs.
Otis
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Would get more sympathy too.
singers_pore
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Hooligans my arse. Obviously you weren't at games in the 70s and 80s. FFS no one was stabbed and no punches were thrown. Get a grip.
Nick
Administrator
It's not a hissy fit. It's asking how it will be sisu paying the fine not ccfc.
Strange nobody is answering that.
Terry Gibson's perm
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But there does become a point when the ccfc money runs out and after the window closes what is he going to sell? The football league might no be so forgiving if the club enter admin owing them money.
As fans we could do with a bit of help from other clubs so if Fisher goes to Bournemouth to sell the Wilson sell on clause they should turn him away.
Nick
Administrator
They cut even more costs for next season.
Who said anything about going into admin owing the fl money?
Sisu won't be paying fines. Ccfc will.
Terry Gibson's perm
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There is a point where they can't cut the costs anymore, the club is run fairly lean.
If the fans invade the pitch many times the fines will get bigger and bigger and the money will run out (fisher has just goy lucky that the checkatrade game will bring in around 250k).
Otis
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And by then where will we be? Almost certainly non-league for sure.
Terry Gibson's perm
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And by then where will we be? Almost certainly non-league for sure.
We will be there anyway and his business model won't work in non league the young kids won't sign fir us as they want to be at league clubs
Grendel
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The fines won't be that large and I suspect the first thing to actually happen will be a ban on fans going to away games with heavy fines on supporters who try and beach the ban.
bawtryneal
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Not sure where you stand on this Nick. Do you think that CCFC pay the fines or SISU
Terry Gibson's perm
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Do the fans seem bothered about bans? Some if those fans in the pitch yesterday would have been on against Sheffield united, banning orders are hopeless I know somebody who was banned for years and never missed a home game.
Nick
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I don't know, nobody who Has said it will be sisu has explained how yet.
If it is sisu paying from their pocket then it puts a completely different shine on things to if it's ccfc doesn't it?
joemercersaces
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You like smugly asserting that nobody can answer that don't you?
And you cling on to the fantasy that SISU/ARVO/CCFC are separate entities. I'll ask again, when SISU allegedly pumped 70 millions into the club was that their money?
Grendel
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Sisu haven't put any money into the club I would guess. There is £36 million of real debt associated with their managed funds that is held against the club.
Nick
Administrator
No, any money would have been their investors wouldn't it? I have never mentioned the 70 million and don't believe it is anywhere near 70 million.
It isn't fantasy they are actually separate, it's fact.
I got the impression people did know it would be SISU paying the fans, the same people who keep saying how SISU won't put any money into the club now suddenly think SISU are going to pay the fines and it won't be CCFC doing it.
SkyBlueRuffian
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Let's all sit back and do nothing like you guys. The nicey nice approach is getting loads of notice isn't it?
Nick
Administrator
It's going to achieve the same thing (nothing) and not get fines / points loss for CCFC and make opposition teams lose any sympathy they might have had.
It's not about the action, it's the method.
Otis
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We've done the pitch invasion.
What good will come of more pitch invasions other than pissing rival fans and clubs off and costing the team points?
We did the walk on protest, it worked. Now need alternative strategies.
Grendel
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I suspect the behaviour will worsen as the season goes on.
Otis
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It's certainly looking like it is heading that way.
I can see a player or official getting struck if we keep invading the pitch.
Nick
Administrator
Unless it's to make sure joy is paying for extra stewards and police from her own pocket?
eastwoodsdustman
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If the pitch invasion appears non violent like vs sheffield then it would look a lot better. Perhaps people should just sit or lie down on the pitch? Peaceful disobedience wont piss off the opposition as much. As the Northampton fan posted,yesterdays protests were bordering on the edge or reasonable. Some pissed up idiots jump on it and miss the point.
joemercersaces
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Ah a revelation. SISU aren't totally and exclusively concerned with money and so a financial hit wouldn't actually bother them. It all seems so obvious now I've been shown the light.
So CCFC's money situation is of no interest to this remote and totally unconnected body called Sisu. They didn't come here just to make money. They weren't after the Ricoh just to make money. And who was it made us play at Sixfields again? Was that CCFC or SISU?
So CCFC's money situation is of no interest to this remote and totally unconnected body called Sisu. They didn't come here just to make money. They weren't after the Ricoh just to make money. And who was it made us play at Sixfields again? Was that CCFC or SISU?
cloughie
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Wrong my names not Tony sunshine wrong the scum I was talking about are sisu, . Big error on my part ? Now would that be a threat laddy
NortonSkyBlue
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I wish we had found another way of protesting but I understand the fans anger and frustration and if you don't feel it yourself then I would be very surprised.
They are not hooligans, they are protesters, they are not thugs, they are our fans who are bereft at the way things have turned out and are trying to do something about it.
If you think they are wrong fine but I can't help thinking that they care and are hurting and are articulating much better than the silent majority who hope things turn for the better. And I include myself in that.
Nick
Administrator
So again, how does that mean sisu are going to be paying any fines rather than ccfc paying it?
If there is for example a 50k fine, can you explain how it would work?
If you want to tell others they are stupid id guess you know exactly, so feel free to explain to the stupid.
skybluetony176
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We're already on our own. Sympathy is one thing but it does nothing to aid our cause. Do you think that sympathy from other clubs is going to save our club? It certainly seems to be the corner stone of your argument. I just can't see SISU going because we have sympathy from other clubs fans. Maybe you could explain why it's so important?
Hugh Jarse
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When the league start deducting points I hope all of you supporting the flare throwers are happy.
Nick
Administrator
It isn't the cornerstone of my argument. I thought the aim was to get notice? Surely that notice should have people thinking about sisu and not our fans.
How do you think yesterday will save our club?
rupert_bear
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I now know who most of those on the pitch yesterday were, they won't give a toss about banning orders etc and there's plenty of them, not members of any group such as Trust or JHW. That's just one splinter group there will be others and impromptu action is almost impossible to steward or Police. Could happen inside the ground or outside, before kick off, or after during a game home or away.
It's a security nightmare
It's a security nightmare
joemercersaces
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No thanks. I've tried. Einstein said the definition of stupidity was doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result. It's in your head now that there is an actual as opposed to convenient distinction between our erstwhile owners and our finances, so carry on. You cling to that.