The best way to get rid of SISU (3 Viewers)

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donald_trumps

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the best way to get rid of SISU would to go completely against not one penny more and everyone get up to the Ricoh in huge numbers supporting Slade and the team. If we all had the common understanding that we are certainly not doing this for SISU but for the club we love. The more support the team get the more likely we are to have a less poisonous atmosphere at the club and he more supported the players would feel. We would be soley responsible for turning the club atmosphere around and with success SISU could then sell the club for a better return and we would have owners who would be more suitable for the club.

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Otis

Otis

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donald_trumps said:
the best way to get rid of SISU would to go completely against not one penny more and everyone get up to the Ricoh in huge numbers supporting Slade and the team. If we all had the common understanding that we are certainly not doing this for SISU but for the club we love. The more support the team get the more likely we are to have a less poisonous atmosphere at the club and he more supported the players would feel. We would be soley responsible for turning the club atmosphere around and with success SISU could then sell the club for a better return and we would have owners who would be more suitable for the club.

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I have advocated something similar too.

Pick say 10-12 games in a row, or one single season where we all go up. Pack the place out as best we can (never going to fill it, but a really, really healthy crowd) and throw down the gauntlet.

Make the statement that we will back the club as long as the owners then react to the upturn and build a side capable of challenging.

Surely we would then really know how they feel about the club. At the moment they are just seemingly prepared to let it all just tick over. What would they do if suddenly the club was in a much healthier position? Bog off, put some investment in the team?

If it were me I would say back the club 100% for one season, go up in numbers and see if the club respond in kind and invest in the team.

If not, I would then advocate no-one turning up for a season. Wouldn't need to advocate it actually, it would happen in great numbers.

I have always said the best way to get rid of Sisu is to make the club successful. We then become a much more attractive proposition.
 
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Ashdown

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Thanks for that Tim.................thing is history has shown us that, you wouldn't invest the money from the extra revenue in reality would you ? There would be some creative accounting that meant you would come up with some excuse or another to snaffle the funds away and successive managers are left with scraps to play with and usually too late in the close season to make a difference.
 
Paxman II

Paxman II

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Clearly success on the pitch would bring in the crowds. Failure on the pitch does the opposite. I'm afraid there isn't a football club in history where fans have backed the club when abject failure is happening. Apathy among fans quickly sets in and will not change until modicums of success on the pitch happens. take the cup run when we saw 30+ against Crewe the other year. Fans are there but getting them to commit when the team is a failure is never going to happen.

The majority of fans know the name SISU but have little idea of the goings on behind it. They know the club is in trouble. Some probably have not even understood we don't even own the Ricoh and never did. They only care what the teams doing from year to year, not the politics. All they see is a team falling from grace and the apathy that results in that, and is why you will never get fans to go in any large number until the team shows some success again. Success means higher league position, winning games regularly and perhaps promotion runs, not the dire tripe we have seen the last few years.
 
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Cov kid 55

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Ashdown said:
Thanks for that Tim.................thing is history has shown us that, you wouldn't invest the money from the extra revenue in reality would you ? There would be some creative accounting that meant you would come up with some excuse or another to snaffle the funds away and successive managers are left with scraps to play with and usually too late in the close season to make a difference.
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I understand what you are saying, which I guess is a result of massive and
understandable mistrust in SISU. However, there is currently massive apathy around our club, reflected in poor attendances and a generally poor atmosphere surrounding the club, and this is showing no sign of dislodging our owners. So I agree with the posters on here who advocate increasing support for the team, and creating a positive atmosphere around the place. We might start winning, and showing that we could be a worthwhile investment for potential buyers.
 
covcity4life

covcity4life

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I lke thr idea of paxkng ground for a set amount of games before saying if you dont run club properly thrn we go back to this.

Your choice bitches
 
NortonSkyBlue

NortonSkyBlue

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Not the first time this has been put forward and would be a really effective way of displaying our love for the club but I don't think it will bring forward the exit date of the owners. One can but hope!
 
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Ashdown

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Cov kid 55 said:
I understand what you are saying, which I guess is a result of massive and
understandable mistrust in SISU. However, there is currently massive apathy around our club, reflected in poor attendances and a generally poor atmosphere surrounding the club, and this is showing no sign of dislodging our owners. So I agree with the posters on here who advocate increasing support for the team, and creating a positive atmosphere around the place. We might start winning, and showing that we could be a worthwhile investment for potential buyers.
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A large and vociferous crowd can only do so much........we need investment and astute management to get better players in most positions and then success can lead to increased support. It's just too expensive and tiresome for most to go on the premise that our hated owners might just re-invest the fans outlay. As I say recent history shows they'd rather have a healthy balance sheet and large earnings for the directors over better players.
 
Astute

Astute

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If the product improves on the pitch attendances will improve. I can handle us playing well but not winning. When you are playing well you always have hope. We have been playing mainly crap for ages. If we didn't have Wembley to look forward to we would have many going into meltdown.

We are now playing better. We are now talking about us being unlucky. We are about to turn a corner. Give us a few wins and with Wembley coming up we would see improved attendances. Because we would have hope again.
 
shmmeee

shmmeee

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11k is our new "packed out". Not sure that'd be enough.

We're on Joys wild ride until she lets go. Fingers crossed that's when we go down, or when she can sell Ryton, or when the JR is over, or when the devil gets his ice skates out.
 
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wingy

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It'd be a complete volte face to Fisher.
I can never do that.
Bizarrely under this Ownership and a Local Chairman with the necessary skills it could be different.
 
shmmeee

shmmeee

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There's always been a strategy to turn us around if Sisu ever wanted to Do It:

- apologise profusely to fans
- appoint local chairman
- stop court action
- lay out clear plan including stadium plans

It's fairly clear they have no interest in turning it around.
 
Sky Blue Pete

Sky Blue Pete

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shmmeee said:
There's always been a strategy to turn us around if Sisu ever wanted to Do It:

- apologise profusely to fans
- appoint local chairman
- stop court action
- lay out clear plan including stadium plans

It's fairly clear they have no interest in turning it around.
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Bang on shmmeee
 
oldskyblue58

oldskyblue58

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It's a chicken or egg situation isn't it. Which comes first the fans turning up or the team actually showing consistent levels of success. (Winning more than they are losing or unbeaten at home would be good starts)

I do not think it is a realistic proposition to expect people in their thousands to take a leap of faith given the tripe performances the team give week in week out. As much as anything it is the dire results the team have achieved that has driven fans away. But the argument goes that there has been no investment in players which has caused that, I would say there has but at a lower quality. There have been many mistakes in recruitment the last few seasons, the likes of Armstrong the exception not the rule. Teams with smaller crowds and turnovers are basically safe above us this season.

Will people turn up in significant numbers to make the difference .... I just do not see it happening. Will it make Ccfc more attractive to investors? Will a short term act achieve that? Will it bring the price expected by the owners down or put it up? Do we really think possible new owners can not see the potential a little success could bring in terms of crowds and income?

Team success will bring crowds back but it has to be successful consistent team performance. It will also get the team noticed and investors interested. A short term increase in the blind hope of regime change is not a long term commitment to turn up. As such it is a kind of protest and not sure I would put much more value on it. In any case the selling price imo is all about maximising the amount ARVO can get back and not about real value or crowd size

If the crowds were to turn up and suddenly the team start winning doesn't that just say the players were good enough all along so have been under performing? Selling the fans short?

Another thought would be if fans turn up, the team succeeds what does the extra cash get spent on. Given what I know of the debts in the owners position I would drive down the debt owed or actually pay the interest if the short term objective were to sell up and go.

But what are the objectives...... and could thousands of fans taking an expensive blind leap of faith affect that any more than the other protests do.

The protests won't make Sisu go, but they do provide a common thread for a divided fan base (even if we can't agree the best protest or whether to or not). Thing with protests in football they are so easily deflected by a little success. Above all protests makes fans feel they are doing something when they seem frustrated and powerless

I do not see packing the ground as making the difference. In fact it might even encourage Sisu to hang in there longer. Bottom line is that most supporters do not have the faith in the current squad to dig deep and make that leap, even if it could work ......
 
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chinamans view

chinamans view

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You are forgetting Sisu had that support 20,000 gates the first season then 18,000 and each season has declined and they have never invested and never will
 
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scubasteve

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Doesn't matter what you do,the don't care if fans protest, don't go the games or stay at home. Sisu will go when they want to and they have some more legal action left to attend to first. Cry, bitch and moan we are stuck with them for the foreseeable future.
 
bawtryneal

bawtryneal

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oldskyblue58 said:
It's a chicken or egg situation isn't it. Which comes first the fans turning up or the team actually showing consistent levels of success. (Winning more than they are losing or unbeaten at home would be good starts)

I do not think it is a realistic proposition to expect people in their thousands to take a leap of faith given the tripe performances the team give week in week out. As much as anything it is the dire results the team have achieved that has driven fans away. But the argument goes that there has been no investment in players which has caused that, I would say there has but at a lower quality. There have been many mistakes in recruitment the last few seasons, the likes of Armstrong the exception not the rule. Teams with smaller crowds and turnovers are basically safe above us this season.

Will people turn up in significant numbers to make the difference .... I just do not see it happening. Will it make Ccfc more attractive to investors? Will a short term act achieve that? Will it bring the price expected by the owners down or put it up? Do we really think possible new owners can not see the potential a little success could bring in terms of crowds and income?

Team success will bring crowds back but it has to be successful consistent team performance. It will also get the team noticed and investors interested. A short term increase in the blind hope of regime change is not a long term commitment to turn up. As such it is a kind of protest and not sure I would put much more value on it. In any case the selling price imo is all about maximising the amount ARVO can get back and not about real value or crowd size

If the crowds were to turn up and suddenly the team start winning doesn't that just say the players were good enough all along so have been under performing? Selling the fans short?

Another thought would be if fans turn up, the team succeeds what does the extra cash get spent on. Given what I know of the debts in the owners position I would drive down the debt owed or actually pay the interest if the short term objective were to sell up and go.

But what are the objectives...... and could thousands of fans taking an expensive blind leap of faith affect that any more than the other protests do.

The protests won't make Sisu go, but they do provide a common thread for a divided fan base (even if we can't agree the best protest or whether to or not). Thing with protests in football they are so easily deflected by a little success. Above all protests makes fans feel they are doing something when they seem frustrated and powerless

I do not see packing the ground as making the difference. In fact it might even encourage Sisu to hang in there longer. Bottom line is that most supporters do not have the faith in the current squad to dig deep and make that leap, even if it could work ......
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So, to summarize, we are doomed !!
Dammed if we do, dammed if we don't
 
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thekidfromstrettoncamp

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People might not like this but make one game free on a first come first served bases I am a season ticket holder but not to bothered with that. Fill the stadium create a bit of atmosphere for once.
 
letsallsingtogether

letsallsingtogether

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thekidfromstrettoncamp said:
People might not like this but make one game free on a first come first served bases I am a season ticket holder but not to bothered with that. Fill the stadium create a bit of atmosphere for once.
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I haven't got a problem with that but it would be even more embarrassing when 15,000 turn up for a free game.
We can't even fill one stand at a tenner.
The supporters are leaving in there droves just look at yesterday 8,000 odd there looked like 6,000.
Things not looking good for our beloved Club.......
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