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Is Slade our worst manager ever?! (24 Viewers)
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Jimmy Hill's Chin
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Between Slade and Thorn for worst ever. Both abysmal and both presided over relegation. I appreciate that both were shafted by our lovely owners but there's another 58,000 threads to discuss them.
steve82
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How can you say we didn't get the new manager bounce! We did v Peterborough and Bolton, only issue is we didn't take the 3 points in both games tho the performance was there.
Not everyone gets the new manager bounce, it's not guaranteed!! Look at Gary Caldwell at Chesterfield, if the players are not up to the task every week you get beat!
January is a shit time to change a team that's failing so bad.
I'd of liked sordell to of stayed I think if we got him a partner that way of gone some way to making it better... we don't the full details to how that deal came tho can you blame him for going to Burton?
Clarke, Reilly and Beavon have made a good impact tho we've been unlucky with Beavon being injured and relying on Tudgay to do a job. Foley has even shown a Benefit to the team in patches i the holding role.
7 of them players starting yesterday were from a already failing side, it's still too many
skybluetony176
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Don't dispute that but you could say the same about the games Slade has won, or drawn for that matter.
Evo1883
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We weren't lucky at port vale , we dominated the match from start to finish and won 2-0
steve82
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Now that was is a very interesting point but of view! I wanted the same appointment the morning after TM left, this would of restricted the damage done by MV and was only 10 games into the season and would of had a better chance to prepare for January.
Would we be a greater position for Evans of being here... I doubt it unfortunately as the same players are still ultimately here that have not performed and the side still lacks mental ability.
Could steve Evans of got to them tho before MV damaged them... we will never know!
Doing a great job at Mansfield tho playing 442. Got a shed load of loans in from league one clubs and reshaped the side considerably.
SkyBlue_Bear83
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You're joking right? Reilly and Beavon are the only ones who have even shown flashes of ability (although on reflection I'd probably have rather kept Sordell) and your solution is that he should be allowed to make more changes.
steve82
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Clarke is a very useful league one defender, tho on yesterday's showing with Turnbull you'd be right to say otherwise. Was poor. Prior to that he's been of use.
So with Clarke, Reilly and Beavon your still have say 8 players that played in a already poor side underperforming so yes this side needs more changes. That cannot be done till July 1st so we're stuck with this team.
Yesterday we had 3 January signings in the starting 11. Clarke, foley and Reilly and a back from injury Kwame Thomas, that leaves 7 players playing still from the failing side pre Christmas that we all said we're not good enough.
lifeskyblue
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It's the club that stinks not the manager(s). Rotten to the core. We need a major overhaul from owners through manager, coaches, players and soon our ground.
As for 'is slade our worst manager' then the defence is he inherited a poor side lacking in confidence and ability and in bottom 4. Also even if he was a miracle worker he would struggle to get this group playing really well.
For the prosecution he has taken the team rock bottom and so far adrift only the blindly optimistic see any hope. He will manage the team into relegation to L2, he has had half a season and a transfer window to get some response but we are worse than ever. He appears to lack a plan and team tactics offer no glimmer of hope. Some of his selections are v questionable and certainly leaves fans mystified. Getting in Yakubu smacks of desperation...I can't blame him for trying that but being so immobile yak won't be a big impact player for us.
In light of slades attempts perhaps we should reassess Thorn, Presley and Mowbray. Maybe just maybe they have all done the best that could be currently achieved with this chaotic and dying club.
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As for 'is slade our worst manager' then the defence is he inherited a poor side lacking in confidence and ability and in bottom 4. Also even if he was a miracle worker he would struggle to get this group playing really well.
For the prosecution he has taken the team rock bottom and so far adrift only the blindly optimistic see any hope. He will manage the team into relegation to L2, he has had half a season and a transfer window to get some response but we are worse than ever. He appears to lack a plan and team tactics offer no glimmer of hope. Some of his selections are v questionable and certainly leaves fans mystified. Getting in Yakubu smacks of desperation...I can't blame him for trying that but being so immobile yak won't be a big impact player for us.
In light of slades attempts perhaps we should reassess Thorn, Presley and Mowbray. Maybe just maybe they have all done the best that could be currently achieved with this chaotic and dying club.
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Otis
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He did indeed inherit a desperate situation and we were right in the mire, but unfortunately under his stewardship we have dropped even further down the league table and have got worse rather than better.
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Suspect I'm in the minority, but I'd have Pressley back in a heartbeat.
lifeskyblue
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I certainly don't think it would be the worst appointment but surely his self respect would mean he wouldn't apply.
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Adge
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Agree with most of that but surely if you know the blueprint before you come in, why take the job? Maybe as managers they think that they can turn it around? There have been better people than Slade who have had a go and also failed and like has been said countless times-they are not all bad managers. What does that tell us then?
SkyBlue_Bear83
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Oh we need changes to the squad, I wasn't doubting that.
Just don't led Slade make them, your post seemed to be suggesting he should be or have been allowed to make them.
steve82
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I'm gonna be brave... I'd give him the summer to rebuild it. We've nothing to lose if he wants it still. We all fear we're gonna drop down the league next season to so why not stick and get a settled management team ready, at some point you gotta stick. We could get a new man in and still be in free fall. With RS he's done it for years at this level, yes he's failed right now here but i just don't see how you turn in to a bad manager overnight unless the players ain't up to the level, which we know there not.
I 100% agree that his time here has largely failed with the task of saving us but I think any manager out there would of suffered the same fate, even Gary Caldwell is now too at Chesterfield.
The size of the task was mammoth, we all feared relegation since early on in the season. The players we have from front to back simply ain't up to it and have to many basic errors in them, factor in we've struggled for goals to counter the mistakes and lack fight then we are in a inevitable position.
I still believe with a match day 18 and squad of his choice we would be respectable team who'd give a good account of themselves.
That's my personal opinion, and respect everyone else's currently.
SkyBlue_Bear83
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Gary Caldwell is an awful manager so I don't see why you mention him..
steve82
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Purely as he was linked with the city job as a front runner. As you said he's possibly a awful manager but did get Wigan promoted, however he had a team of goal scorers which proves how vital strikers are to any success. Goals cancel out mistakes... goals win games. We lack goals.
Take yesterday, we created enough chances to get goals in the first 20 mins yesterday. Swindon take there chance and dispose of us easy with there 2 useful strikers.
SkyBlue_Bear83
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Slade was brought in to be a firefighter manager to get us out of trouble, in the way Pulis and Allardyce do it at the top level and Warnock in the championship. He's failed.
tbh it doesn't really matter who the manager is as we are on a downward spiral, just don't let it be this useless clown with his hoofball.
SkyBlue_Bear83
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He also had a budget probably 5 times bigger than anyone else at Wigan
steve82
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100% agree and he failed at his job objective, but like I said we could of appointed anyone at that stage of the season we did and I'd be very surprised if the outcome be any different. We took the man with the best cv doing what we hoped.
It's not worked, but I still think he could change our fortunes given a summer to build.
Yes there been times when the footballs been poor but there has been moments of "football" and mixed up our play. Long ball short balls, over the top and on the deck.
Hoofball is tho what you need in league two on them horrible pitches come the winter months
Hes very experienced at building teams over a summer a boy we need that this summer. That's why I'd give him the summer, get his players, and his preseason playing his way. Football comes with confidence and we lack that too.
I respect your opinion that his style and current form is not for you, or many others for that. I do still feel he can achieve something if given time.
We could give the job someone else and be here in December looking up the league again saying how we took to long over the summer to get the management team right and missed out on any useful free players relying on kids and poor loans again.
SkyBlue_Bear83
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I only read the first line but he was brought in as a firefighter and failed.
We now need someone who can rebuild, I have no faith in Slade that he can achieve that given how spectacularly he failed his first objective.
covboy1987
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What happened to team selection yesterday we are bottom of the league and cut adrift and badly need goals so we leave both are wingers Reid and jones on the bench and Lameiras did not even make the bench - he brings on Reid with 5 mins to go and we score straight away
steve82
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That's my point if you read on but I admire you honesty there!
Your still gonna fail if you've still the bulk part of a failed season playing. Saturday we had 7 players that have underperformed so far this season and 3 other players that didn't shine and also made costly errors. Yes that's only 10 I no, I've left Kwame Thomas out of the factor as he looked like he put a fair shift in and is developing nicely each week.
The rebuild is more key than ever, so I say stick with the man who's managed for over 15 years or what ever it is and hundreds of games. You cannot get lucky in a career for that long unless you've something about you, and lasted years at Leyton Orient a well run club at the time... far from there situation now.
Granted it not showing currently with this current crop of players
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steve82
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Good point, I can understand the fact we named the same side. I think many of us would have done the same.
JJ is nothing more than a impact sub, he's poor and don't affect the game when he starts. Lameries largely too this year hasn't set the place alight.
Reid hasn't featured a lot lately as he's favoured Kwame Thomas drifting in from the left ahead of Reid supporting the striker and George Thomas too. You cannot play 2 strikers if you need a holding man to protect the back four, the numbers and balance don't work. So Reid who again been mostly poor has had to sit out, think it was more coincidence we scored at that point as they backed off George Thomas at the end to allow the shot we never did for 90 minutes even tho we created enough chances to hurt Swindon.
The fact he took Kwame Thomas off was the game was gone and he's first on the sheet Tuesday.
Grendel
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Lameries and Reid. Lol
steve82
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Just watched the extended highlights and Kyle Reid played no part in the goal.... from there free kick the keeper kicks it, Turnbull wins his header forwards, Reilly flicks it on to Beavon. Beavon gains control of the ball lays it off to Reilly, Reilly switches play with a big diagonal cross field ball to George Thomas, defender gets a weak header and Thomas wins the ball after a few one/twos with Yakubu, Thomas finds space to smash home at the near post.
Reid was a onlooker in the whole process
Otis
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That would be Reid's end of year report card for his contribution to the season. 'Reid was an onlooker in the whole process.'
standupforcity
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Some of those on the bench , Jones, Reid, Lameiras need to be given a run of games. These are not 'occasional men' which is why when they are used 'occasionally', they don't work. Now is the time to take risks, try something different, because we are very clear now what doesn't work. Will Slade have the courage on Tues...I very much doubt it.
steve82
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Of the three named I'd only use Kyle Reid from the start and push Kwame Thomas up top more with Beavon in a more traditional 442/4411 dropping Tudgay.
Lameries is not suited to this league and gets little protection from referees that more technical players do in the championship or premier league. JJ is nothing more than a impact sub at this stage of his career
standupforcity
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We have nothing to lose, so those kind of considerations only lead to no change...although I do hear what you say. As long as we have a choice, let's give it a go and see what happens.