italiahorse
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Then answer the question ?
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shy_tall_knight
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As morally corrupt as WASPS CCC ACL Higgs may have been, we won't be at the BPA, not worthy of debate, we all know we will be at the Ricoh in Aug 2018
duffer
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Mate, just because Wasps pay you a few bob doesn't mean that you've got to pretend that you're stupid.
Do you want me to give you the dictionary definition of 'nomadic' too, it's just that I sense that you might make out that you don't understand that either...
duffer
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Why, when you know the answer?
How about this one for you. If our owners for 'business reasons' decided to move us out of Coventry again, would you take it on the chin or would you pout and whine and cry and bitch about it?
Actually, no need to answer, because like you I already know what your answer will be. You'd be completely outraged; but it's fine for Wasps because you do OK out of it (with the side benefit that it screws SISU regardless of the effect on the club).
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Hmmm.
We also knew no matter what people said, we'd be at the Ricoh August 2013...
italiahorse
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Business reasons like when they moved us to Northampton?
I suppose you've already agreed the Butts park business plan verbally distributed by TF.
Moff
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Yes because the comparison of 10 years in Wycombe to a previous 138 in London should just be ignored to prove a petty point shouldn't it.
You do know Wycombe is far closer to London than Coventry or are you poor at Geography as well as History.
italiahorse
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...... and London Wasps was for 15 years but it does not stop people on here using it.
I'm a expert on history. Test me on the Calculus Period.
skybluetony176
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That's a different Wasps Moff, who are still in London. This Wasps only has 30 years of history.
italiahorse
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They only changed their name to London Wasps to differentiate themselves from the amateur club in 1999. As long as they are not daft enough to call themselves Coventry Wasps I have no issues.
Some in the media have.
Try a FOI with Nuneaton Town, I doubt you'd get an answer though.
Confidentially clauses etc.
chiefdave
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How come there's posters up at the Ricoh about Wasps 150 year anniversary celebrations?
Moff
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No it isn't. The new Wasps are the one in London.
Brylowes
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Are you going to be advertising for them elsewhere as well.
Moff
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Sorry that's a poor response. I am not arguing about the semantics of names, just the reality of the clubs existence, or did you airbrush that out of your knowledge of their history, as it didn't suit your rhetoric?
I'm no expert on history, as you claim to be, but I seem to know a damn site more about rugby than some of those that profess to do.
Moff
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Is it advertising when used to prove someone's point as completely wrong.
I suppose if you are conveniently ignoring that fact then it may be considered to be.
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Irish Sky Blue
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It's a shame that someone from CRFC doesn't just come out and say this as it would put an end to all of the nonsense and mean that Sisu really have no where to hide when questioned on where the club will play. They will have to really have a plan or admit that there really isn't one.
Brylowes
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Yawn!!!
italiahorse
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They probably are sitting back waiting for Sisu to put money into the stadium but not own it.
Northampton already have a new pitch thanks to Sisu.
singers_pore
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If CCFC moved out of Cov and experienced huge increases in attendances plus lots of other revenues, I wouldn't like it, but I would certainly understand why the club's owners went down that path, That's pretty much what happened with Wasps but it is the complete opposite of what happened to us at Northampton, and what would happen again if we moved out of Cov. Therefore it is a false equivalence to compare Wasp's move to Coventry with CCFC's move outside of Coventry. The situations are completely different. Wasps's owners moved to take the club UP to the next level whereas our owners moved and have taken us DOWN two levels.
Again, I do not approve of what Wasps did, but I can fully understand why they did it.
Again, I do not approve of what Wasps did, but I can fully understand why they did it.
covcity4life
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fuck wasps*
*unless they buy us in which case i will smile everytime i drive past billboard with cov players on it
*unless they buy us in which case i will smile everytime i drive past billboard with cov players on it
skybluetony176
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It really isn't. Wasps were started way back when as an amateur team. The one still in London is the amateur team. The professional arm was started 30 years ago by the amateur team and originally broke of when they moved to QPR's ground and IIRC became a subsidiary of a subsidiary company of QPR, after that failed they went nomadic eventually arriving at the Ricoh via a 10 year stint at Wycombe. The original amateur team still exists and plays in London today with all ties now cut from the Wasps professional team.
Moff
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Original, that is genius.
Couldn't you think of anything more intelligent to add when you were wrong.
Joy Division
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That only applies if the proposed structure is the same as the original plan. I suspect a ten year old plan would need to be updated, and for certain planning permission would need to be applied for.
skybluetony176
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I think it was only outline approval that was granted and now elapsed so nothing stopping CRFC or CCFC resubmitting the original outline application to see how the land now lies before going into a detailed application. This would be the norm anyway on a project of this size to see if it's worth moving forward with the extra expenses involved with a detailed application. This point alone makes me think it will never happen. CRFC clearly don't have the finances at this moment in time and CCFC despite TF claiming to have investors in place either don't have the desire and/or funds otherwise logically some sort of outline application would have gone in by now if only to reinstate the original approved application to put a stake in the ground.
Brylowes
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When mixing it with the more intelligent posters on the forum (such as yourself) I tend
To give short responses, ya know 'so as I hopefully don't embarrass myself to much.
Also how was I wrong, did Nick not just emblazon a full size advert for Wasps season
Tickets all over SBT, at least the CT get paid for it.
Never been interested in rugby whatsoever, but that poster looks really good, really
Professional like, sort of exiting, hmm got me thinking .......lol
Nick
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No, I posted an image in one post within 1 thread so it wasn't "all over SBT". The fact you compared it to the CT's full page wrap shows you are scraping the barrel a bit.
There was no link or call to action as part of it, it was to show the dates on the left hand side.
Moff
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Sorry to tell you but you did embarrass yourself, still the post above is an improvement. Keep working on it, ya know.
The poster Nick posted was to show that Wasps are celebrating their 150th year, which is contrary to what Tony was stating, that the Wasps in Coventry is a new club. I take it you missed or ignored that.
Glad the poster got you thinking perhaps you should try CRFC.
Thanks for the dialogue it was most invigorating.
Brylowes
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Nick I made comedic (ok maybe not funny) response to your advert, one of the really
Intelligent members on the forum couldn't see the intention and went all serious on
Me, to which I couldn't really be bothered to reply.
So he pulled me again, this was in reply to him.
But whatever way you look at it , you did advertise for them, don't beat yourself though :emoji_smirk:
Brylowes
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I know exactly why he posted FFS, that doesn't in any way detract from the fact he
He DID advertise for them, however much that may not please him or you.
duffer
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Wasps are not nomadic. I'm sorry but this is a deliberately lazy form of expression that people use to justify hypocrisy. It's almost as though people don't know what nomads are. Wasps were based in London from their origins (which they notably haven't disclaimed) 150 years ago. Their fan base hailed from London and it's surrounds, and they remained in London in terms of their academy until very recently. Again, nomads by definition move from place to place aimlessly - until the Ricoh became available Wasps always looked to remain in or near London. Even Wasps owner when he bought the club said it; "Wasps are a London club." - why on earth would they call themselves 'London Wasps' if that also wasn't their intention at the time.
Wycombe to London is patently not Coventry to London unless you're an idiot or you're dancing on the head of a pin to avoid admitting an inconvenient truth. If moving to QPR and then Wycombe made Wasps nomadic, then what did moving from HR to the Ricoh and then to Northampton and back to the Ricoh make us? Nomadic is a crap argument, and it simply doesn't stand up to scrutiny I'm afraid.
Wasps moved from London to Coventry for business reasons that suited their owner at the time, in this case a very cheap deal on a stadium. If our owners, for business reasons that suit them at the time, decide to move us elsewhere then who here who accepts Wasps can complain? Either it's OK to move a club from its roots for the owner's business reasons, or it isn't.
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skybluetony176
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I don't disagree with any of that. It was the notion that the professional team of Wasps (Wasps RFC) somehow have a 150 year history, they don't. It was set up by the amateur team (Wasps FC) 30 years ago and split from the amateur team when they moved to Loftus Road in the mid 90's just 1 year after being formed leaving Wasps FC as an amateur only club at there original location where they still play today with their 150 year history as a separate entity.
fernandopartridge
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In that case CCFC should stop all the nonsense about being formed in 1883 as they weren't professional for their first 9 years or so.
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