General Election (27 Viewers)

[Kingokings204]

...which is why we'll end up with tariffs on goods we sell abroad, whilst imports will end up more expensive for us to buy...

That just won't happen. Sorry.

 

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[Deleted member 5849]

That just won't happen. Sorry.

If it's not a free market, then it won;t be free trade!

You can't have free trade and not a free market!

 

[skybluetony176]

No we have two years and we leave deal or no deal

And before you start moaning consider that Corbyn was demanding the article was triggered immediately the result was announced.

Not according to EU official's on Friday

"BREXIT talks can be extended at any point over the next two years if Britain wants to substantially alter its negotiating position, senior EU officials confirmed today."

 

[Earlsdon_Skyblue1]

“Hard” and “soft” Brexit are code words for leaving or staying in the EU.

The latter was generally a term for the remainers really.

 

[skybluetony176]

That just won't happen. Sorry.

Won't we have to agree that with each individual country / trading partner? If we can't agree individual terms with those countries / trading partners doesn't it default to WTO terms which I'm pretty sure includes tariffs?

 

[Brylowes]

Why? She's not talking to a terrorist group -- the group in question were defending their right to be in the UK against a military force aimed at going against the democratic will of the majority of its people.

So it's ok for the invaders to annex a large chunk of a country, and then persecute The indigenous
people that live there, but under no circumstances should they be allowed to fight back.
I bet you're all over the Israeli occupation of Palestine as well aren't you.

 

[Deleted member 5849]

Won't we have to agree that with each individual country / trading partner? If we can't agree individual terms with those countries / trading partners doesn't it default to WTO terms which I'm pretty sure includes tariffs?

Leaving the single market is a proper hard-left stance - amazed there are some proper hardcore left wingers on here, given they're pleased it'll happen.

(And yes, there is an argument that it'd be good for our industry to be allowed to inject a spot of state aid, whilst also restricting imports)

 

[skybluetony176]

Leaving the single market is a proper hard-left stance - amazed there are some proper hardcore left wingers on here, given they're pleased it'll happen.

(And yes, there is an argument that it'd be good for our industry to be allowed to inject a spot of state aid, whilst also restricting imports)

Isn't that essentially what the single market is just on a smaller scale? For instance citrus fruit imported into the single market are hit with high tariffs to protect the EU citrus farmers. That's good for EU citrus farmers and the EU is aiding them by doing it.

 

[Deleted member 5849]

Isn't that essentially what the single market is just on a smaller scale? For instance citrus fruit imported into the single market are hit with high tariffs to protect the EU citrus farmers. That's good for EU citrus farmers and the EU is aiding them by doing it.

The problem as seen by some is it protects the wrong people however.

One thing's for sure, if there are precedents for protectionist policies already there, they won't just be offering us free trade if we leave their free trade block...

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Why? She's not talking to a terrorist group -- the group in question were defending their right to be in the UK against a military force aimed at going against the democratic will of the majority of its people.

True she isn't talking to one, she's arming one.

 

[Kingokings204]

Won't we have to agree that with each individual country / trading partner? If we can't agree individual terms with those countries / trading partners doesn't it default to WTO terms which I'm pretty sure includes tariffs?

Yes it does include tariffs but it won't come to that. A free trade deal will happen it's just how we get there is the question. How much we give up or how I call backsliding we do to get it?

A free trade deal works for both of us. Germany have the biggest say in the EU I think we all can agree on. What they say will go. The fact we are the German car industry biggest export country in the world I would expect this to rule.

 

[Kingokings204]

Isn't that essentially what the single market is just on a smaller scale? For instance citrus fruit imported into the single market are hit with high tariffs to protect the EU citrus farmers. That's good for EU citrus farmers and the EU is aiding them by doing it.

Spot on Tony. If we can escape that then we can negotiate a free trade deal with African countries on their fruit and suddenly competition increases and prices have to be lowered. It's the same for some electronic goods also.

The EU is a protectionist union. Some see that as good (the big businesses and big companies) prices stay high as competition Is squeezed out. Some see it as bad (the customer as we pay more) for the same thing that can be bought cheaper from somewhere else.

 

[Deleted member 5849]

The EU is a protectionist union.

Eh?

So that flies completely in the face of your argument that they won't impose any tariffs on our goods!

 

[skybluetony176]

Yes it does include tariffs but it won't come to that. A free trade deal will happen it's just how we get there is the question. How much we give up or how I call backsliding we do to get it?

A free trade deal works for both of us. Germany have the biggest say in the EU I think we all can agree on. What they say will go. The fact we are the German car industry biggest export country in the world I would expect this to rule.

Why won't it come to that? Remember you're talking about the government who masterminded the last election and have repeatedly said that no no deal is better than the wrong deal. Seems to me that there's every chance that in some instances it very well may come to that. Remember we're not just talking about a trade deal with the EU here, we're also talking about the rest of the world and unless we just adopt WTO rules we have to negotiate with each and every country / trading block individually.

 

[clint van damme]

Won't we have to agree that with each individual country / trading partner? If we can't agree individual terms with those countries / trading partners doesn't it default to WTO terms which I'm pretty sure includes tariffs?

I'm fairly sure that's what happens.

 

[Grendel]

So it's ok for the invaders to annex a large chunk of a country, and then persecute The indigenous
people that live there, but under no circumstances should they be allowed to fight back.
I bet you're all over the Israeli occupation of Palestine as well aren't you.

That's such a juvenile response.

Anyway as I've already stated the UDP were allies in the past with labour and oddly no one seemed too bothered.

 

[clint van damme]

Why won't it come to that? Remember you're talking about the government who masterminded the last election and have repeatedly said that no no deal is better than the wrong deal. Seems to me that there's every chance that in some instances it very well may come to that. Remember we're not just talking about a trade deal with the EU here, we're also talking about the rest of the world and unless we just adopt WTO rules we have to negotiate with each and every country / trading block individually.

Canadas deal with the EU take around 8 years to negotiate!

 

[skybluetony176]

Also non of this explains why Canada are about to join the single market. If it's so bad we need to get out why is another western country on the other side of the Atlantic trying to get in?

 

[Grendel]

Canadas deal with the EU take around 8 years to negotiate!

Which is an argument that can be deployed both ways - we will take far less time to agree trade deals as we don't have to get member states to agree.

 

[skybluetony176]

The problem as seen by some is it protects the wrong people however.

One thing's for sure, if there are precedents for protectionist policies already there, they won't just be offering us free trade if we leave their free trade block...

So basically we're coming out the single market so we can pay less in the shops for oranges with a larger carbon footprint. No wonder the Tories are jumping into bed with some climate change denying orange men. They sound like a perfect match

 

[clint van damme]

Which is an argument that can be deployed both ways - we will take far less time to agree trade deals as we don't have to get member states to agree.

Won't we have to negotiate a similar type of deal?
We will be able to agree individual deals with non EU members but won't we still have to have a block agreement wth the EU?

 

[skybluetony176]

Which is an argument that can be deployed both ways - we will take far less time to agree trade deals as we don't have to get member states to agree.

They're negotiating membership of the single market Dumbo head, not a trade deal with the single market. Not nearly the same thing.

 

[Kingokings204]

Also non of this explains why Canada are about to join the single market. If it's so bad we need to get out why is another western country on the other side of the Atlantic trying to get in?

They are not joining the single market. They are accessing it. We want to access it also in our negotiations. Difference between us and Canada is we buy a lot more from them than they do. It shouldn't take no where near as long to do a deal.

 

[hill83]

Eh?

So that flies completely in the face of your argument that they won't impose any tariffs on our goods!

It's just pure windmilling at this point tbf.

 

[Kingokings204]

Eh?

So that flies completely in the face of your argument that they won't impose any tariffs on our goods!

Well not really. I don't remember Mali being Germany's biggest car export market in the world? This is why we have such a good hand. So your comparison is flawed. Nice try though.

 

[Kingokings204]

Canadas deal with the EU take around 8 years to negotiate!

That's not relevant to us though as it's different situation and circumstances. Canada weren't part of the eu for 40 years and also don't buy and sell a lot with the eu like we do.

 

[Deleted member 5849]

It's just pure windmilling at this point tbf.

Think we've got an inside scoop on the government's negotiating strategy

 

[clint van damme]

That's not relevant to us though as it's different situation and circumstances. Canada weren't part of the eu for 40 years and also don't buy and sell a lot with the eu like we do.

I think it gives you an idea of how long these things can take.

 

[SkyblueBazza]

On this occasion, I favour his ARSE.

Pervert

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[SkyblueBazza]

Out of interest, does anyone know if Brexit negotiations can be put on hold 'say for 6 months
Or a year, TM calling this election and the subsequent mess it's left us in mean there's never
Been a worse time to negotiate our exit ?

Only if both parties agree.

Although EU has all its rules & regulations on this...it has never been done before so probably all out-dated for the current set-up. If good relations exist I am fairly sure some lee-way would be agreeable for all concerned

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[Kingokings204]

Only if both parties agree.

Although EU has all its rules & regulations on this...it has never been done before so probably all out-dated for the current set-up. If good relations exist I am fairly sure some lee-way would be agreeable for all concerned

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Yeah I don't believe all this in the papers. It makes a good story if we hate eachother and no deals etc. the truth is both sides are very smart and knowledgeable. Aparently the punish talk has been knocked off now and I wouldn't know how they could punish anyway.

 

[shmmeee]

“Hard” and “soft” Brexit are code words for leaving or staying in the EU.

The latter was generally a term for the remainers really.

Well, that's just complete bollocks.

There's a million shades of grey between staying in the EU and crashing out on WTO term FFS.

 

[martcov]

Well perhaps but 80% of parties voted for last Thursday favor brexit and honoring the result. I can't find the exact quote from McDonell just yet but my point is if they honor the result and do the basics like leave the single market that will be enough for most labour voters and I would return to the party myself. As you know I don't believe in hard and soft brexits I believed in remain or leave. As a leave voter I voted to leave the single market and replace it will a free trade deal. I don't think that's controversial.

You keep contradicting yourself. The result was leave. There was never a question about hard or soft, but Brexit will either be hard or soft and with or without being in the single market. You voted for neither hard nor soft - even if for some strange reason you thought you were voting for hard. You were never consulted on that and have to take Brexit as it comes - for better or for worse. Next time someone offers you something make sure you know what you are getting before agreeing to it.

 

[Otis]

I see May has come out and said she will 'serve as long as we want her too.'

Therefore hopefully she will be out by tea-time tomorrow.

 

[SIR ERNIE]

You keep contradicting yourself. The result was leave. There was never a question about hard or soft, but Brexit will either be hard or soft and with or without being in the single market. You voted for neither hard nor soft - even if for some strange reason you thought you were voting for hard. You were never consulted on that and have to take Brexit as it comes - for better or for worse. Next time someone offers you something make sure you know what you are getting before agreeing to it.

Wrong as usual.

'Leave' voters knew exactly what they were voting for and you know it.

It just doesn't suit your agenda to admit it.