General Election (18 Viewers)

[chiefdave]

With the £1bn bribe May has given to the DUP to gain their backing won't the Barnett Formula kick in? Can't imagine Scotland or Wales not kicking up a fuss if it isn't used.

 

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[clint van damme]

With the £1bn bribe May has given to the DUP to gain their backing won't the Barnett Formula kick in? Can't imagine Scotland or Wales not kicking up a fuss if it isn't used.

does the triple lock guarantee on pensions apply to just NI or the whole of the UK? The report I read didn't make it clear.

 

[SkyBlueScottie]

<<In every single instance Corbyn appears on the right side of history>>

To make such a ludicrously ill-informed statement, you must either be aged about 18 and blissfully unaware of Corbyn’s shameful past or on a serious wind up.

Whats so shameful about his past?

 

[Deleted member 5849]

does the triple lock guarantee on pensions apply to just NI or the whole of the UK? The report I read didn't make it clear.

Have to say, triple lock seems absolutely stupid to me. Was one policy where I was on Conservatives' side over Labour!

 

[Liquid Gold]

EU negotiators laughing their tits off as the Conservatives managed to get done for £1bn by the DUP

 

[clint van damme]

EU negotiators laughing their tits off as the Conservatives managed to get done for £1bn by the DUP

I've only had chance to scan it quickly at work but my first impression was that even though the headline figure was a billion it's actually more.

 

[dutchman]

does the triple lock guarantee on pensions apply to just NI or the whole of the UK? The report I read didn't make it clear.

It applies to the whole of the UK and was unlikely to be dropped in any case even without the DUP deal.

 

[dutchman]

EU negotiators laughing their tits off as the Conservatives managed to get done for £1bn by the DUP

Especially as it's unlikely to save the Tories in any case. Scottish and Brexit Tories are now more likely to vote against the government than they were before.

 

[SkyblueBazza]

Where have/will they suddenly find £1b from?
Does this constitute a ditching of principles (/a u-turn of somesort) somewhere...like favouring NI to serve the Tory party rather than the UK as a whole?

Just imagine the outcry had this been done by a Corbyn led Labour gov't.

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[dutchman]

Where have/will they suddenly find £1b from?

It'll be cut from the budget for Scotland and Wales.

 

[chiefdave]

Where have/will they suddenly find £1b from?

The magic money tree.

 

[dutchman]

'No Barnett formula money for Scotland' through DUP deal - BBC News

There will be no additional funding for Scotland or other parts of the UK as the result of the deal struck between the UK government and the DUP.

 

[Ian1779]

The magic money tree.

The most strongest and most stablest money tree ever....

 

[dutchman]

Scottish and Welsh leaders attack 'grubby' and 'unfair' £1bn Tory deal with DUP

Political leaders in Edinburgh and Cardiff reacted angrily to the deal between the UK Government and the DUP, describing it as “grubby”, a “straight bung” and an “unacceptable” agreement that could weaken the bonds that unite the UK

 

[chiefdave]

'No Barnett formula money for Scotland' through DUP deal - BBC News

There will be no additional funding for Scotland or other parts of the UK as the result of the deal struck between the UK government and the DUP.

Looks like another well thought through plan.

“We’re going to have a totally transparent arrangement with the DUP. I’m not going to agree to anything that could be construed as back-door funding to Northern Ireland. There are rules. The Barnett Formula is to Scotland’s advantage. I’m not going to do anything to prejudice it. Any funding that goes to Northern Ireland, then Barnett rules will ensure the appropriate funding comes to Scotland.”

“Today’s deal represents a straight bung to keep a weak prime minister and a faltering government in office. Only last week we were told that the priority was to ‘build a more united country, strengthening the social, economic and cultural bonds between England, Northern Ireland, Scotland and Wales.’ This deal flies in the face of that commitment and further weakens the UK, and as currently drafted all but kills the idea of fair funding for the nations and regions. It is outrageous that the prime minister believes she can secure her own political future by throwing money at Northern Ireland whilst completely ignoring the rest of the UK. I have spoken to the secretary of state for Wales this morning to clearly state my view at this unacceptable deal – as Wales’ voice at the cabinet table, he has a duty to fight against this deal and secure additional funding for our country.
However, the UK government are not the only ones with questions to answer today. It appears that the DUP have given the Tories the go-ahead to legislate how they please on Brexit, which could include taking powers and resources away from the devolved administrations. This is a short-term fix which will have far-reaching and destabilising consequences.”

"After weeks of secret backroom negotiations, the Tories have now signed a grubby deal with the DUP. For years the Tories have been cutting budgets and services, but suddenly they have found a magic money tree to help them stay in power. The financial aspects of this deal entirely sum up how little the Tories care about Scotland – while £1bn is being handed over to Northern Ireland, Scotland is seemingly to be offered little more than scraps from the table."

"By attempting to secure her future by throwing money at one part of the UK, the prime minister’s deal risks weakening the bonds that unite the UK – and shows how empty her rhetoric is about the future of the union."

"Any commitments for Northern Ireland should be matched for Wales. If reports that the DUP has secured a £1bn increase in public spending in Northern Ireland are realised, Wales’ population share would be around £1.7bn – a substantial boost to the Welsh economy that must be delivered."

 

[Captain Dart]

Have to say, triple lock seems absolutely stupid to me. Was one policy where I was on Conservatives' side over Labour!

It made sense when you actively want to push up the relative value of pensions that had fallen in real terms over a number of years, but who ever thought inflation would stick below 2.5% for such a long time!

 

[Deleted member 5849]

It made sense when you actively want to push up the relative value of pensions that had fallen in real terms over a number of years, but who ever thought inflation would stick below 2.5% for such a long time!

Now it's just ridiculous, makes for a real-terms rise in pensions, when everyone else is being restricted due to pressures on public funding.

No idea why parties are so welded to it now, other than fear it'll lose them pensioners' votes of course...

 

[Captain Dart]

Now it's just ridiculous, makes for a real-terms rise in pensions, when everyone else is being restricted due to pressures on public funding.

No idea why parties are so welded to it now, other than fear it'll lose them pensioners' votes of course...

https://www.ifs.org.uk/bns/bn105.pdf

 

[Deleted member 5849]

https://www.ifs.org.uk/bns/bn105.pdf

And 2017-2022...?

 

[Captain Dart]

And 2017-2022...?

Some graphs have projections to 2040ish... lot to digest ..

 

[RegTheDonk]

 

[SIR ERNIE]

G Adams doesn't like the deal with the DUP

...which must mean it's a great deal for the United Kingdom.

 

[skybluetony176]

Struggling to see the difference between cash for questions and cash for votes. It's all buying influence only this time it's the taxpayer paying for it rather than some wealthy individual or corporation which if anything makes cash for votes even worse.

Shocking state of affairs all to keep an egotistical bitch in power.

 

[SkyblueBazza]

Struggling to see the difference between cash for questions and cash for votes. It's all buying influence only this time it's the taxpayer paying for it rather than some wealthy individual or corporation which if anything makes cash for votes even worse.

Shocking state of affairs all to keep an egotistical bitch in power.

Not only is the taxpayer paying for it - but the majority I suspect would be doing so against their wishes

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[skybluetony176]

Just doing some reading up on the Barnett Formula and it's supposed to be dependant on the budget for England and for NI to receive an extra £1B England should be receiving an extra £20+B (very quick sum in my head so don't shoot me if I'm wrong but to be honest I think I've under calculated not over) over the same period to justify NI getting an extra £1B so by the time you factor in the extra funding that Scotland should be getting and Wales if TM wants to adhere to the Barnett formula she needs to find the best part of an extra £30B of funding from somewhere.

Her get out of jail free card is that there doesn't seem to be any legal standing in the Barnett formula as it was only ever supposed to be a temporary solution to funding devolved governments at a time they didn't exist. Just every government since it's conception in 1978 has adopted it because it saves arguments.

I say get out of jail free card. I suspect she's probably just lost a lot of the support that the Tories gained in Scotland in the last election and if she can stay in power long enough to run again she's cost the Tories the next election. Stupid selfish bitch.

 

[SIR ERNIE]

Struggling to see the difference between cash for questions and cash for votes. It's all buying influence only this time it's the taxpayer paying for it rather than some wealthy individual or corporation which if anything makes cash for votes even worse.

Shocking state of affairs all to keep an egotistical bitch in power.

If you're describing the £1bn DUP deal as 'cash for votes', how would you describe Comrade Corbyn's election bribe to students to wipe out their debts at a cost to the taxpayer of £30bn?

 

[skybluetony176]

If you're describing the £1bn DUP deal as 'cash for votes', how would you describe Comrade Corbyn's election bribe to students to wipe out their debts at a cost to the taxpayer of £30bn?

I'd describe it as a policy in a manifesto he ran for election on giving the taxpayer a choice to vote or not vote for it. Unless you're telling me people voted Tory at the election in the knowledge that she would make a deal with the DUP giving them an extra billion if it ended with the Tories losing their majority. If you are saying that was in the Tory manifesto fair enough. I read the Tory manifesto and it wasn't in there so I'm unsure what point you're making here.

 

[Ian1779]

I'd describe it as a policy in a manifesto he ran for election on giving the taxpayer a choice to vote or not vote for it. Unless you're telling me people voted Tory at the election in the knowledge that she would make a deal with the DUP giving them an extra billion if it ended with the Tories losing their majority. If you are saying that was in the Tory manifesto fair enough. I read the Tory manifesto and it wasn't in there so I'm unsure what point you're making here.

The point he is making is 'but but but it's Corbyn's fault....'

That's literally the only argument he's left with.

 

[chiefdave]

Imagine if Corbyn had won the election and given £1.5bn to Sinn Fein.

 

[chiefdave]

Can't embed the interview so you'll have to click on the link.
James O'Brien Forced To Ask Tory MP The Same Question AGAIN And AGAIN - LBC

 

[Captain Dart]

 

[lifeskyblue]

Is there anyone out there who can put a rational argument together as to why this deal is good for the United Kingdom? Is good for all parts of the uk? Is good value for the tax payers of the uk?
So far I haven't heard a minister or Tory MP who can.
Talk about grubby politics


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[dutchman]

DUP deal to prop up minority Tory Government set to cost billions as party hints it will be 'back for more'

The Democratic Unionist Party’s £1 billion deal to prop up the Conservative government may end up costing the country far more because the DUP will be “back for more”, it emerged last night.

But the £1billion payment - the equivalent of £33 for every taxpayer in the UK - could be only the start after DUP sources hinted that they will ask for more cash when the deal is “reviewed” in two years’ time.

The SNP reacted by immediately demanding more money for Scotland, while the Welsh government claimed it should be given £1.7 bn to achieve parity with Ulster.

 

[SkyblueBazza]

If you're describing the £1bn DUP deal as 'cash for votes', how would you describe Comrade Corbyn's election bribe to students to wipe out their debts at a cost to the taxpayer of £30bn?

Every policy is a bribe for someone's vote when it's in a manifesto. This agreement is nothing of the sort - it is a straightforward..."How much will it cost for you to vote to prop up our government?"
Imagine the furore if they go to the Russians to ask them to fund the stripping out & replacing tower-block cladding/insulation to get them out of THAT hole

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[SIR ERNIE]

The point he is making is 'but but but it's Corbyn's fault....'

That's literally the only argument he's left with.

You see, there you go again, wrong as usual, you’re a teacher aren’t you? That’s concerning.

All Corbyn’s fault? No that’s not my view at all. In fact if you step back and consider what you posted it’s a pretty daft statement.

No, if anyone’s to blame for Corbyn’s surge in popularity, it’s undoubtedly May. Her disastrous campaign helped turn a no-hope Marxist into a cult figure.

PM Corbyn would be seriously bad news for the country in my opinion and I would definitely relocate my business to Ireland rather than be on the wrong side of his ‘everything for free’ economy.

The £1bn DUP deal is worth every penny.