Court Match Thread (11 Viewers)

[Broken Hearted Sky Blue]

I hope not

Of course you do

 

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[Liquid Gold]

It's still not costing her anything to hang on Is it?
I wouldn't expect it to change.

How old is she? Maybe we have to wait until she retires and the new issue ceo will let us go.

 

[rupert_bear]

They or anyone for that matter on any court verdict have to have grounds to appeal, just disagreeing with the verdict isn't grounds. This judge has said their appeal was too late so where would any grounds be on that ? If they did appeal the other party could counter sue for frivolous action and that could cost sisu a lot of dosh if they lost that one, we might just might be looking at the end of sisu here.

 

[oldskyblue58]

very few options left for SISU and none are very palatable for them.

The action they brought for JR2 missed the point of a judicial review, was poorly constructed and misunderstood the facts procedures and process. You cannot just throw reams of "evidence" around painting a half picture hoping it might stick. Lot of reputations other than Seppala damaged by such poorly constructed/founded arguments. It just amounts to misuse of the legal process in my opinion

Time they stopped wasting everyone's time and money, time they stopped damaging our club and its reputation, time they were gone and good riddance

 

[ccfctommy]

How old is she? Maybe we have to wait until she retires and the new issue ceo will let us go.

Joy? Mid to late fifties

 

[skybluetony176]

but again they must have had a plan for he club should this action fail.

I doubt it. They've clearly flown by the seat of their pants the whole time they've been here, including the takeover itself.

 

[skybluetony176]

They or anyone for that matter on any court verdict have to have grounds to appeal, just disagreeing with the verdict isn't grounds. This judge has said their appeal was too late so where would any grounds be on that ? If they did appeal the other party could counter sue for frivolous action and that could cost sisu a lot of dosh if they lost that one, we might just might be looking at the end of sisu here.

God I hope you're right.

 

[HuckerbyDublinWhelan]

How long do we have left for this to run? The judge was stressing the amount of delay being detrimental to wasps, when they inevitably appeal, does this mean it might be hurried along a bit quicker?

 

[SkyBlue79]

CT reckon that the SISU QC is assuming there will be an appeal... I guess we will see what they decide in due course, is there a time frame to apply to the court of appeal? I can't see the point given that there surely can't be any more evidence, and what would they be appealing the JR or the ability to change the claim and include "expert" evidence?

Please just piss off and let me support a football team without this shite...

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

Sisu QC says he anticipates his clients will seek permission to appeal. Judge says that should be made to court of appeal

Bloody great

 

[oldskyblue58]

Have they settled the JR1 costs? Now they have to settle JR2 also

Those that are liable are
ARVO - not based in the UK
CCFC holdings Ltd (wound up years ago)
SBS&L - only "asset" is the shares in Otium
Otium - essentially CCFC - only assets Ryton, the trademark, players .............. all charged to ARVO in the Cayman Islands

Does SISU Capital owe anything? Can Seppala or Coleman be held personally liable?, I wouldn't think so.

 

[RegTheDonk]

It's still not costing her anything to hang on Is it?
I wouldn't expect it to change.

I dont know mate - I'd wager her legal team are probably paid regardless and therefore budgeted for, but do they have to pay the other sides legal bill? Have they had to pay out for JR1 and the like?

Regardless, the cost is quite high in reputation and "face" I would think.

 

[Astute]

I dont know mate - I'd wager her legal team are probably paid regardless and therefore budgeted for, but do they have to pay the other sides legal bill? Have they had to pay out for JR1 and the like?

Regardless, the cost is quite high in reputation and "face" I would think.

Her face is desperate for more botox. Shall we have a collection for a new blonde wig for her?

 

[SkyBlue79]

Have they settled the JR1 costs? Now they have to settle JR2 also

Those that are liable are
ARVO - not based in the UK
CCFC holdings Ltd (wound up years ago)
SBS&L - only "asset" is the shares in Otium
Otium - essentially CCFC - only assets Ryton, the trademark, players .............. all charged to ARVO in the Cayman Islands

Does SISU Capital owe anything? Can Seppala or Coleman be held personally liable?, I wouldn't think so.

Are you suggesting that they just won't pay any costs? Surely SISU wouldn't dream of that...

I would hope that paying costs would be a precursor to any appeal. Is there risk that they could just not pay and risk being put into default, thus putting CCFC into admin? They would also be in contempt of court wouldn't they?

 

[skybluetony176]

Found this an interesting read

Frivolous litigation - Wikipedia

 

[wingy]

Didn't they eventually pay something like £400K on JR1?

 

[dongonzalos]

Oh look right on cue. Why not e mail Mr Armstrong and ask if a rental agreement was proposed to the club or not.

Pretty sure you told me non of this JR business affects Wasps at all.
Hopefully you now understand how much it did potentially affect Wasps.
It would have destroyed them as a business.

You can't keep trying to destroy people on the one hand. They also demand a good working relationship with them when you need them on the other hand.
Just common sense and a very bizzare thing to do.

 

[skybluetony176]

This is an interesting read also

Vexatious litigation - Wikipedia

 

[dongonzalos]

I think what will be interesting is what they do next. They have clearly pissed on their own chips with wasps but again they must have had a plan for he club should this action fail. Do they make a go of it? Or bleed it dry a little more?

That's the two options in my book.
Try for the championship play offs
Or Asset strip.
I think the championship has now moved to another level unfortunately.
The time to have done that was the last 5 years.
So I think it will be one go at promotion this year followed by an asset strip and sell Hoffman the bones that are left.
No stadium, no training facility, no academy facility and any player worth a dime sold.
Effectively the Hoffman consortium will be buying the Golden Share.

 

[dongonzalos]

Of course you do

He has encouraged this type of approach ever since we stopped paying rent then reneged on a hand shake.
He has been wrong on every action he supported so far.
Let's hope he is finally right about something this time that there will be no appeal.
Unfortunately I feel he will be wrong once again.

 

[robbieray]

I need cheering up I'm going back to the crap jokes thread

 

[Captain Dart]

Joy leaves court*.

* different person.

 

[shmmeee]

This is an interesting read also

Vexatious litigation - Wikipedia

Said this years ago. There comes a point where the council will have a solid case.

 

[Sky Blue Kid]

Joy's next job.......

 

[shmmeee]

As long as CCC are Ok, who cares?

Three years ago I could give you the benefit of the doubt, but now it's just delusion.

At every step you have been wrong.

Time to accept it and move on. You backed the wrong horse and let your hatred of the council cloud your judgement.

The shit the likes of you Nick and Grendel have been spewing towards anyone that didn't join you has been ridiculous. Be a man and accept you fucked up.

There is no conspiracy, there are no plants, we just have shitty owners.

 

[singers_pore]

Joy Seppala's statement was very interesting because it shows what her true intentions have been all along. She described the 250 year lease as a game changer because it made it economically desirable to knock down the stadium and use the land for other purposes with CCFC moving to a new location.

This is exactly why I and others on here did not want CCC to sell ACL to SISU (or Wasps). Joy viewed the ground as a land redevelopment opportunity while CCFC would be either homeless or moved to a smaller cheaper ground most likely even further away from the city center.

 

[skybluetony176]

Joy Seppala's statement was very interesting because it shows what her true intentions have been all along. She described the 250 year lease as a game changer because it made it economically desirable to knock down the stadium and use the land for other purposes with CCFC moving to a new location.

This is exactly why I and others on here did not want CCC to sell ACL to SISU (or Wasps). Joy viewed the ground as a land redevelopment opportunity while CCFC would be either homeless or moved to a smaller cheaper ground most likely even further away from the city center.

That's an interesting take on it. I never really thought of her comments in that way before reading your post and I have to say it's possible. Maybe the vail slipped a little there.

 

[skybluebeduff]

It's still not costing her anything to hang on Is it?
I wouldn't expect it to change.

That's what i've been trying to tell people I know, it hardly changes anything with SISU and the club, they don't invest in the club anymore, they'll just keep growing the debt against us and bide their time.

 

[skybluetony176]

Three years ago I could give you the benefit of the doubt, but now it's just delusion.

At every step you have been wrong.

Time to accept it and move on. You backed the wrong horse and let your hatred of the council cloud your judgement.

The shit the likes of you Nick and Grendel have been spewing towards anyone that didn't join you has been ridiculous. Be a man and accept you fucked up.

There is no conspiracy, there are no plants, we just have shitty owners.

Don't be silly. The judge is clearly in on it too.

 

[wingy]

That's an interesting take on it. I never really thought of her comments in that way before reading your post and I have to say it's possible. Maybe the vail slipped a little there.

Could also apply to the other side too, Wasps that is.

 

[ccfctommy]

I hope not

Why not out of interest?

 

[skybluetony176]

Could also apply to the other side too, Wasps that is.

It could indeed.

 

[Captain Dart]

Joy actually leaving court, hides face and will not speak to press.
Sisu wanted Wasps to pay an extra £30million for Ricoh Arena firm

 

[skybluetony176]

Said this years ago. There comes a point where the council will have a solid case.

You might also find this interesting

Guidance Note: Vexatious Litigants and the Treasury Solicitor - GOV.UK

 

[AVWskyblue]

surely the council can decide who they sell assets to? same as I can decide who to sell my house to, but I won't sell to someone who threatens to sue me but will to someone who's nice and friendly.

Your house belongs to you, the Ricoh belonged to the people of Coventry ccc were supposed to act in the people's best interest

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