skybluetony176
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I think a few people are saying/assuming the same. No different from JR1 in that respect, heads will roll, smoking gun etc.
History repeating, doing/saying the same things expecting different results.
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I think a few people are saying/assuming the same. No different from JR1 in that respect, heads will roll, smoking gun etc.
History repeating, doing/saying the same things expecting different results.
skybluetony176
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If "if" SISU did get a result and compensation was awarded the case is being brought by ARVO and Otium so only one thing will happen. ARVO will take their share and then take ours when the "not real debt" suddenly becomes very real and ARVO call it in. That's probably when Ryton gets sold also because our share of the compo isn't enough to cover the debt and someone like Hoffman gets to pick up the pieces by buying what's left of the club assuming that there is anything left.
skybluetony176
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Ha ha. Loosing on purpose again. No doubt you'll deny it all again when SISU are sent home packing from court with their tales between their legs and what's left of their "we batter people in court" reputation in tatters.
Hobo
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On the basis of that post you should be writing for the Coventry Telegraph ;-)
Grendel
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Tony I would take you more seriously if you could stop saying loosing instead of losing. I also now see its tales between legs.
As I say most acknowledge that battering in court means attrition and not victory.
You are alone on this one. Or is it this won?
Back on ignore but thanks for the laughs.
Attrition was actually promised by Joy, but losing costs money. I think they would prefer at least getting their costs back through a settlement to losing the war of attrition. And of course the other side will now be able to join in the war of attrition by not negotiating and letting the present deal run out.
Which may not hurt SISU in their grand plan, but would drop CCFC in it.
Grendel
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How do you know the court cases cost them anything?
skybluetony176
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Surely attrition would have to lead to a victory? Who was the victor from JR 1? Who was did the attrition cost?
I'm not alone on this one. I said right from the start and multiple times since that that SISU don't batter people in court they use the courts to batter people.
That's all fine and dandy so long as the other party doesn't have the means and appetite to fight. Attrition works in that case because you have the upper hand.
When it doesn't work is when you have someone willing and capable of fighting. Such as JR1. Not just JR1. Look at SISU's history when the opposition accepts the challenge. There aren't many cases out there to look at because they don't normally get that far but when they do they don't get the result they want and on at least one occasion Joy was directly quoted saying so after the case. In fact the moment she was took on she I would suspect that the result she wanted was already gone.
So what's different this time? She's not taking on Wasps. They potentially could be effected by the outcome but it's not them who'll be fighting it. Who will be? That's right, the same people who were willing to accept the challenge last time and won.
Who's coming out worse from this? We saw the state of Joy at the first JR2 court hearing. She doesn't exactly look like someone who's finding it easy to sleep anymore. How's SISU's accounts looking? Haven't SISU downsized to less desirable offices at a less desirable address? Haven't they slashed their employee numbers? If it's attrition as you say who's it costing exactly? You tell me?
So if it's attrition who is the victim? Not the winning party. It was an irritation I'm sure but hardly attrition. Seems more like self harming than attrition to me because the only party it seems to be damaging (other than CCFC of course) is SISU. Both in monetary terms and reputation.
So who is the target of this attrition that you claim it to be?
skybluetony176
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Reputation? Costs can be measured in just monetary terms you know and in their business reputation is everything. Not doing so well since JR1 are they? Coincidence?
Sky Blue Dal
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They can carry on going on with these appeals but it keeps looking like the justice system being a close community it is, just because they will allow them to appeal does not mean they will give them what they hope to achieve. I can imagine all the circuit judges out there communicate with each other in one way or another and know the score between the Otium the hedge fund and the defendants.
Don't think these high court judges will want to offend there fellow colleagues without a strong valid reason. I am sure Optium can take so much of these court cost hits whilst running out of avenues to take. Even Apple vs Samsung have realised this.
Don't think these high court judges will want to offend there fellow colleagues without a strong valid reason. I am sure Optium can take so much of these court cost hits whilst running out of avenues to take. Even Apple vs Samsung have realised this.
singers_pore
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I think SISU are hanging round to see what happens with Wasps' bond repayment. In the meantime they are dragging out the court cases for as long as possible and they don't care less if it hurts CCFC. In fact another relegation probably suits their purpose so they can move us to Nuneaton's ground or something of similar size.
I don't- but if they have a sponsor wasting money in addition to the investors that have already lost their money, she is increasingly losing her reputation. Tim apparently said she was bonkers a while ago ( according to Hoffmann). The recent picture of a bedraggled Joy adds to the feeling that attrition is not going too well.
Yes, but the golden EFL share is still worth something. I think " just about managing " in League 2 is the lowest she could take. Low attendances would be acceptable as long as the club is parked in a siding and not costing too much.
Astute
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So what do you know as a fact? Is it the same fact you know as when you said SISU lost JR1 on purpose?
Looks like you have more trust in CCC and Wasps than I do. How about showing some sort of evidence for once on something you say you know as a fact.
Grendel
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Well most sensible people acknowledge being in court os more important than not being in court which winning with a minor compensation pay out would swiftly end.
As to the lease reverting back to the original lease that's common knowledge and is in amongst other things the original bond prospectus.
Astute
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Name one person who is as deluded as yourself and thinks SISU keep up with court cases because they don't want to be awarded a lot of money from somewhere.
Broken Hearted Sky Blue
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You don't care how much the club suffers, you don't care what happens to us do you? Not at all so long as, forget it you are just a twat.
Sky Blue Kid
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Watch out guys.... Grendel and Fernandopartridge have joined the Grammar police!
Grendel
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Where on earth am I defending it?
Broken Hearted Sky Blue
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Hidden in plain sight
Grendel
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Why then in this thread did I say it's an abuse of the judicial system and should be prevented?
Broken Hearted Sky Blue
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Come on Grendel you revel in it. Bet you creamed when you heard the appeal had been granted.
Astute
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Your agenda against Wasps, Higgs and CCC certainly comes before what is best for CCFC.
How about backing up your claims for once?
Astute
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You are always for it to continue whatever problems it causes for our football club.
Grendel
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According to you sisu aren't trying to deliberately engineer the judicial system to fail, appeal, fail, appeal
That's a figment of my imagination. They wanted it all to end years ago.
Yeah right.
Sky Blue Kid
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"When you're talking about the planet we live on, capitalize the word. Here's why: Used in this capacity, Earth is a proper noun". ... Wooooooo Hooooooooooo Grammar police!.......
Grendel
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I've already said I don't believe it should have been as the original submission was deliberately engineered as a delaying tactic which in my view is an abuse of the system and not what it was designed for.
Broken Hearted Sky Blue
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Do have to disagree with you on the last point, no way would I have wanted or want that.
Astute
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You are about the only one who thinks it is good that legal matters continue. You are sensible?
Common knowledge? Have you seen the terms of the lease to Wasps? What would cause it to become worthless and revert back to CCC?
If people believed what you say it would be common knowledge that SISU don't want to win damages from anyone and that nobody but CCFC would be interested in the Ricoh arena.
Astute
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Of course SISU want to get a large amount in damages. The problem is that they can't find a solid way of getting any. So they are reduced to trying to find a technicality to win on.
skybluetony176
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JR1. I believe that they didn't expect it to go as far as it did and when it did they didn't know what else to do but see it through. Whatever the purpose of it was it didn't serve it. There is no scenario where SISU achieved anything that they set out to do. It failed to deliver what you, I or anyone else want to believe it set out to achieve.
JR2 is desperation if you ask me. Their self appointed reputation of battering people in court is in tatters and this could well be a last throw of the dice for SISU in more ways than CCFC. They don't outwardly display as a company on the up, just the opposite and Joys appearance seems to confirm this.
Grendel
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Which would give them no damages. In answer to the other post its common knowledge the lease returns to the council if wasps fold. It's in several communications on the subject
skybluetony176
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That's the thing isn't it. If all they're doing is sitting around waiting for Wasps to go bust they don't need JR2 to drag out to do that. The only way that this can effect Wasps is if SISU win. It's just mental to suggest otherwise. Even if this is part of some elaborate plan to make us "move on" again how dependent on CCFC is ACL anymore? Not enough to tip them over the edge I would think.