Jon Venables recalled to prison (11 Viewers)

[Grendel]

Shocking to see that some people believe the state should execute a 10 year old child. No doubt they then drone on about Shariah Law when they'd probably fit in quite nicely.

The system seems to have worked for the other one but Venebles should be sentenced indefinitely.

So again by murdering and torturing a two year old his life was enhanced at taxpayers expense.

Try telling that to the victims parents. Although that’s emotive to an extent the punishment hasn’t matched the crime.

 

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[Sick Boy]

So again by murdering and torturing a two year old his life was enhanced at taxpayers expense.

Try telling that to the victims parents. Although that’s emotive to an extent the punishment hasn’t matched the crime.

I've already said he should be imprisoned indefinitely. An eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth, eh?

 

[Grendel]

I've already said he should be imprisoned indefinitely. An eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth, eh?

Well I’ve in the past been opposed to the death penalty but I do find it rather odd that a society is spending more on healthcare for Ian Brady than a care home dementia sufferer.

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

So again by murdering and torturing a two year old his life was enhanced at taxpayers expense.

Try telling that to the victims parents. Although that’s emotive to an extent the punishment hasn’t matched the crime.

The punishment won’t and shouldn’t match the crime. Can you imagine a society where we torture 10 year olds cause they tortured another person.

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

Well I’ve in the past been opposed to the death penalty but I do find it rather odd that a society is spending more on healthcare for Ian Brady than a care home dementia sufferer.

Not any more

 

[Grendel]

Not any more

Only because he is dead but we would be if he wasn’t.

 

[Grendel]

The punishment won’t and shouldn’t match the crime. Can you imagine a society where we torture 10 year olds cause they tortured another person.

What I’m saying is by killing and torturing he has enhanced his quality of life as an adult - great message for society.

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

What I’m saying is by killing and torturing he has enhanced his quality of life as an adult - great message for society.

Do you genuinely believe that? Genuinely??

 

[Grendel]

Do you genuinely believe that? Genuinely??

He has. He lived in a deprived home with dysfunctional parents. His outlook would have been bleak. He’s received care, education and a new identity. Mary Bell is the same.

 

[LastGarrison]

He has. He lived in a deprived home with dysfunctional parents. His outlook would have been bleak. He’s received care, education and a new identity. Mary Bell is the same.

That is a really warped way of looking at things.

 

[Otis]

That is a really warped way of looking at things.

Under strict controls and restrictions when they left prison. Also believe they weren't allowed to go back to their home city of Liverpool. They could also be recalled to prison upon any breach of their conditions, so had that hanging over their heads.

Not sure 'enhanced' is quite the right word.

 

[Macca]

Can't help thinking if you have that capability for evil at 10 it isn't going anywhere

 

[Otis]

Can't help thinking if you have that capability for evil at 10 it isn't going anywhere

Extremely worrying to be in that mindset at such a young age isn't it.

I do think releasing them after just 8 years was a bit presumptive. Also very concerned that Venables would then also go round telling people after he was released who he really was as if it was like some kind of badge of honour. I would have thought that 99% of people upon hearing that news would be utterly appalled and revolted and not be in admiration.

 

[Sick Boy]

Extremely worrying to be in that mindset at such a young age isn't it.

I do think releasing them after just 8 years was a bit presumptive. Also very concerned that Venables would then also go round telling people after he was released who he really was as if it was like some kind of badge of honour. I would have thought that 99% of people upon hearing that news would be utterly appalled and revolted and not be admiring.

Yeah 8 years was not enough, IMO. For me Venebles seems majorly mentally unstable and shouldn't be out within society.

 

[shmmeee]

Lets face it the prison system is rehabilitating virtually no one. Its also not acting as much of a punishment / deterrent.

Maybe time for a rethink, what are the alternatives?

Expensive is what the alternatives are.

Proper rehab would cost money in staffing, building redesign, training and education and post prison support that as a society we probably aren’t willing to pay sadly.

Prison isn’t really about the criminals, it’s more about feeding a desire for vengeance. Only in very few cases do criminals just need to be taken off the street, mostly sending them down just condemn them to a life of crime with their newfound network of associates.

 

[Otis]

Expensive is what the alternatives are.

Proper rehab would cost money in staffing, building redesign, training and education and post prison support that as a society we probably aren’t willing to pay sadly.

Prison isn’t really about the criminals, it’s more about feeding a desire for vengeance. Only in very few cases do criminals just need to be taken off the street, mostly sending them down just condemn them to a life of crime with their newfound network of associates.

Can only imagine what it costs us. There are obviously figures out there, but I heard on TV the other night that it costs £200 a night to house someone in a cell at a police station.

 

[chiefdave]

Proper rehab would cost money in staffing, building redesign, training and education and post prison support that as a society we probably aren’t willing to pay sadly.

Would be interesting to know how the costs of rehabilitating a first time offender compares to the cost of having them in and out of prison all their life?

Suspect you'd end up in a similar situation to mental health treatment in the NHS. The evidence shows that 12-18 months of intensive treatment upon initial diagnosis enables someone to go on and live a 'normal' life and costs less than treating them on and off over their lifetime. However the powers that be want to keep expenditure down now so just patch things up and get people out of the system as quickly as possible.

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

VIctorian system of command control seeking to dehumanise anyone inside.

Plenty of solutions but no political or societal will

 

[Grendel]

VIctorian system of command control seeking to dehumanise anyone inside.

Plenty of solutions but no political or societal will

Yes let’s spend £5 million on the likes of Venabels rather than just send him back to prison dump him in a crowded cell revealing who he is and let nature take its course

 

[singers_pore]

Shocking to see that some people believe the state should execute a 10 year old child. No doubt they then drone on about Shariah Law when they'd probably fit in quite nicely..

Under Shariah people are killed for not believing in God. Your comparison is grossly misleading unless you think that atheism is a crime that deserves the same penalty as torturing and murdeting a toddler.

 

[Sick Boy]

Under Shariah people are killed for not believing in God. Your comparison is grossly misleading unless you think that atheism is a crime that deserves the same penalty as torturing and murdeting a toddler.

Not really. You have fully grown men advocating that the state should execute 10 year old boys for committing murder. You'd have plenty agreeing with it in countries living under Shariah Law, I'm sure.

 

[Captain Dart]

Not really. You have fully grown men advocating that the state should execute 10 year old boys for committing murder. You'd have plenty agreeing with it in countries living under Shariah Law, I'm sure.

I think the Islamic way of determining if their prisoners were men and should be executed was to check for pubes.

 

[singers_pore]

Not really. You have fully grown men advocating that the state should execute 10 year old boys for committing murder. You'd have plenty agreeing with it in countries living under Shariah Law, I'm sure.

I am not in favor of capital punishment for minors. But your point that I disagree with was in comparing the crimes under Shariah such as homosexuality and apostasy with the crime by Venables. The two sets of crimes cannot be compared.

Oh and by the way Shariah is an Arabic word meaning Law. So you are making yourself look really dumb when you say Shariah Law which actually means Law Law.

 

[Grappa]

Nah, “Sharia” literally means “path”, as in the path to salvation. Most of it corresponds to the equivalent western rules. What people who froth at sharia actually mean is Hudud.

 

[Captain Dart]

Nah, “Sharia” literally means “path”, as in the path to salvation. Most of it corresponds to the equivalent western rules. What people who froth at sharia actually mean is Hudud.

Don't care what the word means, it is the vile content that bothers me and it can't be compared to a more mature and reasonable code of law as practised by western democracies.

 

[Earlsdon_Skyblue1]

Not really. You have fully grown men advocating that the state should execute 10 year old boys for committing murder. You'd have plenty agreeing with it in countries living under Shariah Law, I'm sure.

Told you we would have aspects of Shariah Law in the UK within 100 years.

Pay up!

 

[Captain Dart]

Told you we would have aspects of Shariah Law in the UK within 100 years.

Pay up!

Think its already here.
http://www.islamic-sharia.org/
Shariah Council Midlands
Home | Muslim Law Shariah Council UK

 

[Earlsdon_Skyblue1]

Think its already here.
Islamic Sharia
Shariah Council Midlands
Home | Muslim Law Shariah Council UK

Don't be stupid.

That's just right wing conspiracy theory!!!

 

[Sick Boy]

Told you we would have aspects of Shariah Law in the UK within 100 years.

Pay up!

You said as a country we would be living under it.

 

[singers_pore]

You said as a country we would be living under it.

Well thee are already over 100 Sharia courts. If it’s left to people like you, we will be living under it. I have personally witnessed the actions of the religious police in both Indonesia and Malaysia two Muslim countries that claim to be moderate. Believe me, you don’t want to live under a regime like that. But that’s where we are heading under the current political climate.

 

[Deleted member 5849]

Christ alive, we go all Muslimist even on a thread about strong white native scumbags!

 

[singers_pore]

Christ alive, we go all Muslimist even on a thread about strong white native scumbags!

Well it was Sickboy (the one who liked your post) who derailed the thread by claiming that people who wanted capital punishment for Venables are as bad as people who want capital punishment for gays and atheists. Now that is pretty sick and he deserved to get called out on such an outrageous comment. But hey, you keep those blinkers on.

 

[Astute]

I do believe if you are a child killer you have to be separated from the general prison population, because they really do pick on you and give you a rough ride.

Do you have a problem of murderers of women and children having a hard time? Because I don't. A nonce should also get life. Life should mean life. The public needs protecting.

Money is king in this country. You can get as long for robbery as for murder these days.

 

[Astute]

Shocking to see that some people believe the state should execute a 10 year old child. No doubt they then drone on about Shariah Law when they'd probably fit in quite nicely.

The system seems to have worked for the other one but Venebles should be sentenced indefinitely.

I haven't seen anyone say execute a 10 year old. But that after years of him re offending that he will never be safe for others on the outside.

There should be a law that when someone gets life (yeah OK) and gets released that they are one step away from having to serve life. One more serious crime and that is it. Anyone who can change will. Those who are mentally wired up the wrong way or just don't care would soon be off our streets.

 

[Astute]

Under strict controls and restrictions when they left prison. Also believe they weren't allowed to go back to their home city of Liverpool. They could also be recalled to prison upon any breach of their conditions, so had that hanging over their heads.

Not sure 'enhanced' is quite the right word.

It has cost 1m for just changing his name 4 times. He has cost us millions already just keeping him out of prison. Would be cheaper to put him in prison and throw away the key. Just like they used to do.