Burge "injured" (4 Viewers)

[Nick]

Apparently came off because of a knee injury.

 

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[fatso]

I heard he dropped his cup of tea at halftime, and got subbed straight away.

 

[wingy]

Apparently came off because of a knee injury.

Who's are they?

 

[pastythegreat]

OBrien needs to start on Saturday for me. I honestly don't understand how plain it is to see that none of our keepers are good enough. That's been the case for about 3 or 4 seasons now, yet manager after manager after manager sticks with poor keepers. For all the Burge supporters I just don't see it. Yes, he made a couple of decent saves on Friday, but that's what's he's paid to do, you can't look past his mistakes all the while claiming made a decent save 3 weeks ago. He needs to go in the summer, as does OB as does Oggy. Burge hasn't improved AT ALL in about 4 seasons. The goalkeeper coach has to shoulder some of that blame.

 

[cov4theprem]

From ‘world class’ to ‘ass’ in a few days

 

[Nick]

OBrien needs to start on Saturday for me. I honestly don't understand how plain it is to see that none of our keepers are good enough. That's been the case for about 3 or 4 seasons now, yet manager after manager after manager sticks with poor keepers. For all the Burge supporters I just don't see it. Yes, he made a couple of decent saves on Friday, but that's what's he's paid to do, you can't look past his mistakes all the while claiming heads a decent save 3 weeks ago. He needs to go in the summer, as does OB as does Orgy. Burge hasn't improved AT ALL in about 4 seasons. The goalkeeper coach has to shoulder some of that blame.

Ob should go as he does orgys?

 

[PVA]

Of course he was injured, why the hell would you waste a sub on your keeper when you need to change the game with attacking subs.

If anyone seriously thinks he was subbed because of poor performance you're completely deluded. There were about 7 players who could have been replaced for poor performance so you certainly wouldn't hook your keeper in those circumstances

O'brien came on and made a mistake too. Neither are particularly good but Burge is the better of the two and is clearly MR's number 1 and will be back in the team when he's fit.

 

[Nick]

So he was that injured he needed to come off and use a sub? Why did he start?

 

[skybluepm2]

People will bleat that ‘all the Burge haters will be happy tonight’. It’s not about being a Burge hater, it’s about commenting on exactly what’s in front of you.

‘But he earnt us a point at Newport’. Rightly so, but he’s also fucked up on far too many occasions against the likes of Exeter, Luton, Forest Green and today, all of which have been basic errors that even at this level a goalkeeper should not be making. Add to the O’Brien mishaps and arguably we’d be sitting pretty in the top 3.

‘It’s not a priority, spend the money elsewhere’. How that has come back to bite us firmly on the arse.

 

[pastythegreat]

Of course he was injured, why the hell would you waste a sub on your keeper when you need to change the game with attacking subs.

If anyone seriously thinks he was subbed because of poor performance you're completely deluded. There were about 7 players who could have been replaced for poor performance so you certainly wouldn't hook your keeper in those circumstances

O'brien came on and made a mistake too. Neither are particularly good but Burge is the better of the two and is clearly MR's number 1 and will be back in the team when he's fit.

Which mistake did OB make?

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[Liquid Gold]

Let's hope he's injured enough to be on DLA from now on.

 

[chiefdave]

How many League 2 clubs have keepers who don’t make errors?

Any who are that consistent would be snapped up by clubs in League 1 or above in the next transfer window.

 

[SlowerThanPlatt]

Goalkeeping is a very unforgiving role as a mistake usually ends up in a goal.

If you misplace a pass as a midfielder or miss an easy chance as a striker you don’t get the same level of criticism

 

[steveo1987]

And to think Joe Murphy was available only a couple of seasons ago

 

[Mucca Mad Boys]

Goalkeeping is a very unforgiving role as a mistake usually ends up in a goal.

If you misplace a pass as a midfielder or miss an easy chance as a striker you don’t get the same level of criticism

People are making a huge deal out Burge, but he does more class saves than mistakes. He’s made 3 mistakes that have ended in goals all season? He’s not as bad as people make out. He’s no Westwood, that’s for sure.

I think a lot of people have it in for our younger players that struggled in L1. Look at the ‘Player Ratings’ thread today. Grimmer’s soft header gifted them the 3rd. Yet you regularly see Haynes rated lower than him — Grimmer can be very dodgy defensively, especially on his left foot.

 

[pastythegreat]

How many League 2 clubs have keepers who don’t make errors?

Any who are that consistent would be snapped up by clubs in League 1 or above in the next transfer window.

Surely any keepers who consistently play well will be playing in L1 next season after promotion? The difference between a decent keeper and a shit one is maybe 10-12 points a season. Take away points dropped from keeping errors this season and we'd EASILY be competing with Luton and Acrington for top spot!

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[Nick]

People are making a huge deal out Burge, but he does more class saves than mistakes. He’s made 3 mistakes that have ended in goals all season? He’s not as bad as people make out. He’s no Westwood, that’s for sure.

I think a lot of people have it in for our younger players that struggled in L1. Look at the ‘Player Ratings’ thread today. Grimmer’s soft header gifted them the 3rd. Yet you regularly see Haynes rated lower than him — Grimmer can be very dodgy defensively, especially on his left foot.

How many other teams will have dropped so many points due to goalkeeping errors though?

 

[pastythegreat]

How many other teams will have dropped so many points due to goalkeeping errors though?

Well none against us, they always seem to pull off amazing saves when at the Ricoh. Is that just EVERY teams goalie is lucky against us, or EVERY other goalie is just streets ahead of our own?! Who knows as I don't watch other teams keepers week in week out.

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[SlowerThanPlatt]

Surely any eepers who consistently play well will be playing in L1 next season after promotion? The difference between a decent keeper and a shit one is maybe 10-12 points a season. Take away points dropped from keeping errors this season and we'd EASILY be competing with Luton and Acrington for top spot!

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That’s a very simple way of looking at things. Do you also have a tally for points dropped for not finishing our chances?

As I’ve said, goalkeeping is a very unforgiving role and I feel sorry for any goalkeeper

 

[Londonccfcfan]

From ‘world class’ to ‘ass’ in a few days

Wasn’t that predictable.
Calamity Burge.

 

[Cavan O'Doherty]

People are making a huge deal out Burge, but he does more class saves than mistakes. He’s made 3 mistakes that have ended in goals all season? He’s not as bad as people make out. He’s no Westwood, that’s for sure.

I think a lot of people have it in for our younger players that struggled in L1. Look at the ‘Player Ratings’ thread today. Grimmer’s soft header gifted them the 3rd. Yet you regularly see Haynes rated lower than him — Grimmer can be very dodgy defensively, especially on his left foot.

Haynes is a lot worse than Grimmer. People may say that he didn’t make an error today that lead to goal, but that’s because he goes hiding in games when the going gets tough.

 

[Mucca Mad Boys]

How many other teams will have dropped so many points due to goalkeeping errors though?

Well, you can’t really count today because we lost by 4 goals and the defence were culperable in 5 of the 6 we conceded. Also, what about the finishing? If Vincenti buries a tap in at 1-0, it’s a totally different game.

We’d have a grand total of 4, 6 if you count the Luton’s first (though JCH lost his marker) more points if you take away the GK errors from both Burge and LOB.

Then there’s saves like Burge’s last week, 2-0 we aren’t winning, Burge has made a good collection of saves — so he’s probably in a net positive for us.

Also, I’m sure the teams around us have made plenty of mistakes too. On the flip side of the Luton game, their GK spilled it to Vincenti, and got beat at his near post from a FK.

To quite Casillas: ‘you may save 10 shots in a match, but people will remember the one mistake you make’.

 

[SlowerThanPlatt]

Haynes is a lot worse than Grimmer. People may say that he didn’t make an error today that lead to goal, but that’s because he goes hiding in games when the going gets tough.

How can you go into hiding on a football pitch?

 

[Mucca Mad Boys]

Haynes is a lot worse than Grimmer. People may say that he didn’t make an error today that lead to goal, but that’s because he goes hiding in games when the going gets tough.

I think Haynes gets a lot more stick than he deserves. Defensively, Grimmer can be unconvincing himself.

You say Haynes goes missing, yet, a game like today, the only defender not to be badly exposed, was Haynes. He got skinned a few times, but he was nowhere near as calamitous as his teammates today.

Like Burge, he’s a scapegoat for when things goes badly. The fact of the matter is, they scored 2 goals down the left side, and that was after Haynes had gone off.

 

[Cavan O'Doherty]

How can you go into hiding on a football pitch?

He doesn’t want the ball when it’s not going our way. There were a few times today where he should’ve been overlapping Reid but he didn’t seem to have the confidence to do so.

 

[Nick]

Well, you can’t really count today because we lost by 4 goals and the defence were culperable in 5 of the 6 we conceded. Also, what about the finishing? If Vincenti buries a tap in at 1-0, it’s a totally different game.

We’d have a grand total of 4, 6 if you count the Luton’s first (though JCH lost his marker) more points if you take away the GK errors from both Burge and LOB.

Then there’s saves like Burge’s last week, 2-0 we aren’t winning, Burge has made a good collection of saves — so he’s probably in a net positive for us.

Also, I’m sure the teams around us have made plenty of mistakes too. On the flip side of the Luton game, their GK spilled it to Vincenti, and got beat at his near post from a FK.

To quite Casillas: ‘you may save 10 shots in a match, but people will remember the one mistake you make’.

How many mistakes were at 0-0 that caused us to go into a losing position or meant teams came back? Luton for example.

There haven't been many mistakes at 3-0 up where they don't matter.

As soon as we go behind it instantly makes the game so much harder. A lot of the good saves are magnified because usually he struggles to do the basics. Yes he did make a great save last week, but he also made simple errors today, Exeter etc.

 

[Cavan O'Doherty]

I think Haynes gets a lot more stick than he deserves. Defensively, Grimmer can be unconvincing himself.

You say Haynes goes missing, yet, a game like today, the only defender not to be badly exposed, was Haynes. He got skinned a few times, but he was nowhere near as calamitous as his teammates today.

Like Burge, he’s a scapegoat for when things goes badly. The fact of the matter is, they scored 2 goals down the left side, and that was after Haynes had gone off.

Yes because Reid was at left back?

 

[SlowerThanPlatt]

He doesn’t want the ball when it’s not going our way. There were a few times today where he should’ve been overlapping Reid but he didn’t seem to have the confidence to do so.

So in your opinion Haynes never made a mistake and Grimmer did because Grimmer overlaps his winger? When his first mistake was a weak header back to the goalkeeper?..

 

[Terry Gibson's perm]

Are a lot of Burges world class saves because he is in the wrong position and then has to make extra effort? I’m not a fan of either of the keepers

 

[Cavan O'Doherty]

So in your opinion Haynes never made a mistake and Grimmer did because Grimmer overlaps his winger? When his first mistake was a weak header back to the goalkeeper?..

No what are you talking about? Grimmer had a shocker today like almost everyone else, but he has been decent for most of the season. Haynes is dreadful and brings nothing to the table apart from the odd good run every 5 games. I don’t know why we’ve persisted with him for so long.

 

[bawtryneal]

So he was that injured he needed to come off and use a sub? Why did he start?

Maybe he got injured during today's match ?

 

[Mucca Mad Boys]

How many mistakes were at 0-0 that caused us to go into a losing position or meant teams came back? Luton for example.

There haven't been many mistakes at 3-0 up where they don't matter.

As soon as we go behind it instantly makes the game so much harder. A lot of the good saves are magnified because usually he struggles to do the basics. Yes he did make a great save last week, but he also made simple errors today, Exeter etc.

Ok, so the mistakes that have directly cost us points:

Yeovil (A) - 2-0, 27m
Newport (H) - 1-0, 53m
FGR (H) - 1-0, 29m
Exeter (A) - 1-0, 7m
Luton (H) - 2-2, 57m (JCH lost his marker so it wasn’t just Burge’s mistake)
Yeovil (H) - 6-2, 4m

I think you’re misdiagnosing the problem. Over 46 games, a couple of GKing mistakes are inevitable at any standard. In all of those games, we had time to equalise, but didn’t. The problem isn’t the odd GK mistake.

Also, you’re being selective with the ‘evidence’, v Luton, Burge made a mistake, but Stech should’ve done better with both our goals. Our 1st goal shouldn’t have happened, so what? We’ll count the times our GK errors have cost us, but not the oppositions? That’s an elementary way of thinking!

The problem has been scoring goals, all season. Take the Exeter game, Burge cost a goal, but Biamou missed a sitter. Take today, we had a clear cut chance to make it 1-1 today. Vincenti, McNulty x2, Barrett all had clear cut chances, Biamou hit the bar too. Burge cocked up, but we didn’t take our chances — even at 4-2 we had chances to make it 4-3, and the last 10m plays out very differently.

It’s like me saying ‘well, if we add up all the times our players missed a chance we should’ve scored, we’d be top of the table’. Our lack of goals has cost us way more points than any GK mistake could.

 

[SlowerThanPlatt]

No what are you talking about? Grimmer had a shocker today like almost everyone else, but he has been decent for most of the season. Haynes is dreadful and brings nothing to the table apart from the odd good run every 5 games. I don’t know why we’ve persisted with him for so long.

Because a professional and experienced football manager selects him in the team

As always though, the best managers and judge of players are on internet forums

 

[Mr T - Sukka!]

I like Lee Burge, hes a good keeper.
As with all goal keepers clangers are highlighted way more than outfield players.

I would rather he comes back fighting rarther than be afraid to make another mistake. Chin up lad.

 

[Nick]

How many goalkeeping errors like today or Exeter have gifted us goals? I can think of Grimsby but not really the keeper's fault.