ccfcway
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and as the pipes are connected to the mains, sewage is in the bath and without a proper clean up of the mess, we'll always be in the sh1t
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SISU - an improvement? (6 Viewers)
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and as the pipes are connected to the mains, sewage is in the bath and without a proper clean up of the mess, we'll always be in the sh1t
Nick
Administrator
How would you know how they were?
He brought in about 8 players on contract, pretty sure he could have got 1 possibly 2 decent ones for that.
I didn't say he had multi million investment, but the Mowbray had no chance stuff is nonsense. He made bad choices with recruitment.
Captain Dart
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I want success but hell I'm not stopping the fight.
Captain Dart
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Or Fisher never did anything and no one else did till Boddy came along. There was a big gap between Anderson leaving and Boddy coming in.
oldskyblue58
CCFC Finance Director
I agree at some point we have to draw a line under what happened in the past.
My first question is what are they actually doing now that has changed for the better?
They oversee the finances. They don't actually invest and are a "bank" of last resort if there is a cashflow shortage, some of that has had to be repaid so reducing the cash available to the manager
There was no choice but to bring in players and a manager, we didn't have one doing a good job and had few players left. That wasn't really down to SISU, the alternative was no club and that suits no one. Also it is cheaper to use lads fresh out of the Academy - some simply were/are not ready. You could argue that at some point our luck had to change
The team "success" is down to the players and manager and based on most of the player loans, the inconsistency etc we have had is done on slim pickings
We still don't have a permanent home, SISU are still attacking the landlords and other parties involved
We were assured over a month ago that a deal on the Academy was ready and only had to be signed
the list of what has not changed goes on
The only thing for now that seems to have "improved" is that we don't hear from them or Fisher. But did we ever hear much from SISU? Isn't that partly why Boddy is here to give them someone to hide behind in public? Doesn't the silence coincide with the NDA in force during mediation? Hasn't the fact that the owners are not transparent and show no passion for the club always been a problem not a plus point?
I think the premise that SISU have somehow changed is clouded by the team doing better. The hard fact is that SISU's objective is still to benefit their investors first above all else. Two things stem from that, monies to be put in are kept to an absolute minimum, and secondly the legal actions take precedence for SISU. They have parked the club in the lower divisions, where costs are lower and the potential for success on the cheap is greater.
Going up a division is not going to add to the value of the club, there isn't a great premium there. In any case SISU are interested in a settlement that bears no relationship to value. Go to the Championship and the costs multiply greatly and will exceed income simply to stay there, that means SISU finding more money to put in. Not something I think they want to do. Does it make the club more attractive being in the championship when SISU are seeking settlement of their loans not the club value? Doesn't change anything really, potentially puts the settlement expectation up, and possibly sets the club up to fail and return to a lower cheaper division
The likes of Boddy and Robins have done well within that scenario. The club has a better feel about it. Largely due to their efforts. But lets be honest a couple of sports evenings or ticket promotions isn't going to change the finances significantly - the importance has been creating connections again.
What it all does seem to highlight is that at the lower divisions it is not necessarily about the money to achieve improvement on the pitch...... SISU now provide little finance and certainly do not run the team
SISU have not changed or turned any corner - they have simply stayed quiet, kept out of focus, have let people focus on the feel good factor of the team doing better. We do not know what is actually going on behind the scenes.
My first question is what are they actually doing now that has changed for the better?
They oversee the finances. They don't actually invest and are a "bank" of last resort if there is a cashflow shortage, some of that has had to be repaid so reducing the cash available to the manager
There was no choice but to bring in players and a manager, we didn't have one doing a good job and had few players left. That wasn't really down to SISU, the alternative was no club and that suits no one. Also it is cheaper to use lads fresh out of the Academy - some simply were/are not ready. You could argue that at some point our luck had to change
The team "success" is down to the players and manager and based on most of the player loans, the inconsistency etc we have had is done on slim pickings
We still don't have a permanent home, SISU are still attacking the landlords and other parties involved
We were assured over a month ago that a deal on the Academy was ready and only had to be signed
the list of what has not changed goes on
The only thing for now that seems to have "improved" is that we don't hear from them or Fisher. But did we ever hear much from SISU? Isn't that partly why Boddy is here to give them someone to hide behind in public? Doesn't the silence coincide with the NDA in force during mediation? Hasn't the fact that the owners are not transparent and show no passion for the club always been a problem not a plus point?
I think the premise that SISU have somehow changed is clouded by the team doing better. The hard fact is that SISU's objective is still to benefit their investors first above all else. Two things stem from that, monies to be put in are kept to an absolute minimum, and secondly the legal actions take precedence for SISU. They have parked the club in the lower divisions, where costs are lower and the potential for success on the cheap is greater.
Going up a division is not going to add to the value of the club, there isn't a great premium there. In any case SISU are interested in a settlement that bears no relationship to value. Go to the Championship and the costs multiply greatly and will exceed income simply to stay there, that means SISU finding more money to put in. Not something I think they want to do. Does it make the club more attractive being in the championship when SISU are seeking settlement of their loans not the club value? Doesn't change anything really, potentially puts the settlement expectation up, and possibly sets the club up to fail and return to a lower cheaper division
The likes of Boddy and Robins have done well within that scenario. The club has a better feel about it. Largely due to their efforts. But lets be honest a couple of sports evenings or ticket promotions isn't going to change the finances significantly - the importance has been creating connections again.
What it all does seem to highlight is that at the lower divisions it is not necessarily about the money to achieve improvement on the pitch...... SISU now provide little finance and certainly do not run the team
SISU have not changed or turned any corner - they have simply stayed quiet, kept out of focus, have let people focus on the feel good factor of the team doing better. We do not know what is actually going on behind the scenes.
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ccfcway
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feel good factor ?. Have you read some of the stuff on here in the last couple of weeks
hill83
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To be honest I'm not not going because of Sisu or any sort of misplaced pride or any of that nonsense. I'm just out of the habit. A couple of us were talking about starting it up again next year. It's just talk at the moment but I'd love it to be fair. I'm sure the wife would understand.
And I'll be taking my son up in a few years anyway.
ceetee
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Well I'm somebody's grandad and I did go to Sixfields for that very reason. I knew that if i stopped going I might not return. I don't know how many more seasons I'll be fit enough to go so I will not sit around waiting for SISU to go however much I despise what they have done.
Bottom line though is we still have a club to support.
Except in reality the games of football especially at the Ricoh have often been dreadful to watch.............and that's mainly due to the opposition putting 11 men behind the ball, time wasting from the off, faking injuries............oh and bringing about a skateboard of fans in an end that holds 7000 +........and for that the casual supporter has been expected to find about £50-£54 per couple to get a good seat.
Mcbean
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You could well be right and yes some ( many over the years) have been poor but i like to take my mind off things at work - we did follow to Northampton ( dont judge ) and some games there were real entertainment and this season we have seen some of that sparkle and more - i am an eternal optimist and never go into a match with a less than a positive attitude about winning - over the games that bubble can be burst over the 90 but i always start at he same point !
Broken Hearted Sky Blue
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Not from me they wont
JulianDarbyFTW
Well-Known Member
There comes a point when you have to accept (not like, accept) what it is. SISU show no signs of going, and it's clear that we as fans have little-to-no say in the matter. Imho - for what it's worth - I say it's about time we as supporters move away from the politics as much as we can and focus on the players / team.
Broken Hearted Sky Blue
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Or accept that it's time to move on and walk away
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CJ_covblaze
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Sorry I did make that male centric didn’t I! Female equivalent like your girls too. Hope you manage to get them back into the habit mate.
ceetee
Well-Known Member
But people don't move on. they just keep coming on here moaning.
I chose JulianD's approach; don't like it but put up with it and support the club.
If I move on and walk away, I will do just that and not keep coming back on here point scoring when anything else goes wrong
Grendel
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Wonder what Captain Dart thinks of that
fernandopartridge
Well-Known Member
Those who have just walked away in many respects play up to the modern football ideology that fans are just customers, which disables many of the arguments they put forward against SISU.
That said. I agree with the basic premise of the club living within its means, especially rather than being further indebted to SISU. They should just be ignored and the fans should show willingness to help their club rather than the counter productive boycotts.
That said. I agree with the basic premise of the club living within its means, especially rather than being further indebted to SISU. They should just be ignored and the fans should show willingness to help their club rather than the counter productive boycotts.
skybluetony176
Well-Known Member
For that to be true they would have to be walking away and using a competitor instead. Doubt that’s happening in the majority of cases. For most it’s an emotional decision that goes way beyond a disgruntled customer changing providers.
Grendel
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Well it does as competitors include a trip to the local DIY
Nonleagueherewecome
Well-Known Member
Yeah it's what Northampton did to me too. And it's a hard sell L2, not really the thing to re-ignite the most pissed-upon flames ever is it?
I'm amazed at people (like one of my oldest mates, so not new to supporting City) who think this is one of our "most successful season" in decades. Of course, if you keep going lower you will be more competitive, at least initially. But a more realistic view is that wherever we finish, it will be our lowest league position in decades! The real worry is that if we don't buck the trend now, we might struggle in this league in a few years too, and we're never going to entice fans back. We MUST win the playoffs!
skybluetony176
Well-Known Member
You think people are giving up supporting a club they love because they have a new love in their life of DIY? Yeah OK.
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Deleted member 5849
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Never agreed with boycotts (although have ended up unwittingly doing one by not going very much. Not alone in that mind) and any boycott is overstated if you look at the figures, which tend to show our gates have declined naturally as we've got worse. All a concerted boycott emphasises is that people can't be bothered, and that's not the signal I suspect that people actually boycotting would want to send out.
That being said, there's a vast difference between supporting the team on the day during a match, and ignoring SISU's existence and part in our downfall. The frustrating thing is that a couple of wins mask their failings and stop us building any momentum when it comes to attention and it seems to allow them to escape any kind of scrutiny.
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Deleted member 5849
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On a base level, it's arguably our 'best' season since the first season out the top flight (let's hope we don't plunge away like we did then!) But yes, of course it's ludicrous that top six in this division is better than midtable in the championship. Another argument I'm bored of making is people bemoaning our lack of success over the years. Many of us have been blessed to watch our team fighting and competing well in the top flight over and over again. That's success. If we want a consistent success, we can always cheer on another couple of relegations until we're beating Rugby Town!
The one positive thing is that at least our manager's actually got players on contract for next season, for once. So if we do fail this season, at least we have players still at the club for next!
ccfcway
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thousands have.
Grendel
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Well they aren’t giving up for morality as the checkatrade proved
Grendel
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Unless we are at Wembley
Grendel
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Well it clearly isn’t but in the end football literally is 11 v 11 kicking s ball and you choose to go with it or you don’t.
In the 46 years I’ve gone I think we’ve in balance overachieved as I’ve seen a large amount of that time in the top level.
It’s not about that though is it? My family come from Cumbria and I went to a Carlisle game when I was just visiting and I’m sure I’d still be watching them for 46 years if they were my club.
I don’t care about owners. This isn’t apartheid it isn’t the advent of the third reich. It’s a game of football. You like to go or you don’t anymore and that’s it.
Broken Hearted Sky Blue
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By the number of posts on this site nowadays looks like a lot have
Covstu
Well-Known Member
I think one season of potential stability isn’t enough to state whether they have turned a corner or not. The communication is still poor, there are better attempts to attract people with ticket offers etc but they just realise that they need people at the ground.
Personally I focus my energy on the football and try to avoid the frothing at the mouth when SISU are mentioned, if they demonstrated a desire to back the club then I wouldn’t be too desperate to push them out the door but I don’t think that trust would ever be there.
The alternative is still unknown, our previous owner was a tyrant who screwed the club, the current arnt better so why do we think we are going to get a magical owner. We may, we may not but it’s another gamble. Bolton being a good recent example of how a consortium went wrong.
Most hate SISU and that won’t change so a change of owner might actually help that, I see it similar to political parties where labour voters will never say anything positive about any Tory action and vice versa despite whether they believe it or not.
DIY shops must have taken a hit on that Day...
CJ_covblaze
Well-Known Member
Some did and fair play to you and them for that. The issue was like many others he simply couldn’t go that far to support his team. I got out of the habit and found other things to do in that time. I haven’t truly got back into it since and him no longer being there is one of the reasons why I don’t enjoy going any more.
Hobo
Well-Known Member
I don’t care about owners. This isn’t apartheid it isn’t the advent of the third reich. It’s a game of football. You like to go or you don’t anymore and that’s it.[/QUOTE]
But there are some pretty toxic global economic policies out there. The influence of America in world of; foreign policy, world trade and sport is gross. The American economy is imploding on many levels.
It is no longer just a game of football. TV money dictates for a start. At the top level it is big business, world wide big business.
But you are right, I mostly choose not to go like many others. Also like many other across Europe Sky and BT no longer get my money.
But there are some pretty toxic global economic policies out there. The influence of America in world of; foreign policy, world trade and sport is gross. The American economy is imploding on many levels.
It is no longer just a game of football. TV money dictates for a start. At the top level it is big business, world wide big business.
But you are right, I mostly choose not to go like many others. Also like many other across Europe Sky and BT no longer get my money.
fernandopartridge
Well-Known Member
What's the emotional part of it? For me the owners are an irrelevance. They have no impact on my emotions. The way the team performs on the pitch to, but my emotional link with the team overrides any desire to walk away. I see doing that as bit of a cop out really.