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People target Haynes as he is a consistent liability

The notion he offers something going forward is a myth and anyway his prime role is to defend. He cannot stop crosses, wanders all over the pitch and seems incapable of having this coached out of him. Stokes may be limited in movement but he is very strong, very disciplined and also solid in the air. All this things are required for a defender and Haynes has none of them

Indeed it is. I can think of the Gillingham (home coming game) where he had a good assist and I think he had a hand in the first against Luton at the Ricoh last month? Not bad that-2 assists in 4 seasons. If anyone can think of any others?
Boot the useless tit out of the door as soon as the season is over.

 

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[Otis]

Stokes in better in the air than Haynes.

McDonald isn't actually very good in the air at all either so not really a benchmark.

McDonald is terrible in the air.

 

[Mucca Mad Boys]

Stokes in better in the air than Haynes.

McDonald isn't actually very good in the air at all either so not really a benchmark.

Yes, I wasn’t disputing that.

Rhead bullied our whole defence, whenever he wanted, as did Palmer. I don’t think Stokes would fair any better, or worse than his colleagues. Even when he ‘lost’ the header, it put a sufficient enough of effort to force our headers to be weak and often took the ball pinging about before it was finally cleared. None of the goals came Haynes’ way, it wasn’t like he got skinned like Grimmer did. So I don’t really see how he’d make a difference. Maybe the second goal? At a push! But again, this is based on conjecture.

 

[Esoterica]

You’re talking about the Stokes we had under Mowbray. He’s nowhere near that same player. If Haynes really is as bad as his detractors make out, that reflects on Stokes in a very bad way.

Also, Stokes playing last night would have made no difference whatsoever. If McDonald got bullied aerially, what makes you think Stokes would’ve faired better than he or Haynes? It’s wishful thinking.

In terms of culpability for the goals, you can pinpoint Grimmer for 2 goals, and McDonald for 3. The whole defensive unit collapsed for their 2nd but neither Haynes nor Willis were directly culpable for any of the goals. But they’re all responsible for the collective failure.

Disagree with that. For the first goal Rhead was Haynes man. He has to play either Rhead or the ball from the long ball from left back but does neither and then having been nutmegged, chooses to leave Rhead free and double up on Matt Green with McDonald.
Shipley also at fault as he then passes Rhead onto the back 4. It's not his man, sure, but intelligent footballers prioritise the danger there and he passes the man on without even looking. But Rod is on the touchline (and Shipley HAS to have seen that) so all that is there is Doyle who has already got a man and realising he is now 1 on 2 hesitates for a split second and neither marks Frecklington for the knock down or Rhead for the shot.
If Haynes just sticks with Rhead at the start, that goal doesn't happen. It's typical for Haynes and his lack of decision making and ownership on the pitch - subconsciously or not, he'd rather 'hide' helping out Rod than stick with his own man in a battle he doesn't fancy.

 

[Mucca Mad Boys]

Disagree with that. For the first goal Rhead was Haynes man. He has to play either Rhead or the ball from the long ball from left back but does neither and then having been nutmegged, chooses to leave Rhead free and double up on Matt Green with McDonald.
Shipley also at fault as he then passes Rhead onto the back 4. It's not his man, sure, but intelligent footballers prioritise the danger there and he passes the man on without even looking. But Rod is on the touchline (and Shipley HAS to have seen that) so all that is there is Doyle who has already got a man and realising he is now 1 on 2 hesitates for a split second and neither marks Frecklington for the knock down or Rhead for the shot.
If Haynes just sticks with Rhead at the start, that goal doesn't happen. It's typical for Haynes and his lack of decision making and ownership on the pitch - subconsciously or not, he'd rather 'hide' helping out Rod than stick with his own man in a battle he doesn't fancy.

I usually find myself in agreement here, but you’re wrong, I’ve made a mistake myself too. But, to say Rhead was Haynes’ man is not true, Bayliss, Doyle (who was marking another), Kelly and Rod were all closer to Rhead than Haynes.

Rod is actually more central than Haynes. Both Haynes and McDonald went to tackle their number 10, who is actually Haynes’ man. Rhead was certainly not Haynes’ man, because who’d be marking their winger, number 10? I’m actually willing to forgive the team for the first goal because it was a fantastic finish, no one is to blame for that.

However, it does mean I’ve incorrectly blamed McDonald for the goal, before I watched I got mixed up between Doyle and McDonald. My mistake, but it still doesn’t change the fact that McDonald got beat twice in the air in a very basic manner.

Attached is the screenshot of the defence before their first.

 

[steve82]

my point was dont drop rod because of 1 mistake vs stevenage, fairplay you were right about rhead causing rod problems though,i myself would be interested to see how davies would have done

but burge a 3 over willis and rod? he killed us with that 4th goal man, how can you not claim a ball in 6 yard box??????? a slow lopped ball too

Thank you, we both have differing thoughts on certain aspects on football and what we like to see but as you can see I’m pretty sharp on L2. I watch more lower league football than premier league. Tho what I like to see happen at that level from individuals we’d likely agree on how the game is played.

L2 is a totally different game, a game that Lincoln executed well. How I’d love us to be well drilled and have the same spirit with a man of similar or better abilities than Matt a Rhead up top to aim at.

There desire and willingness to win individual battles was refreshing to see tho at our expense.

As for Burge... well he’s Lee Burge. I didn’t mark him down for it as he’s been like it for all his time here so I wasn’t surprised to see him fail to stop it.

Mcdonald was very disappointing, drawn into chasing Matt Rhead too much. Jordan Willis gave a example of my opinion that take his pace away he’s not bulletproof. Part of a poor back one tho on this occasion.


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[Esoterica]

I usually find myself in agreement here, but you’re wrong, I’ve made a mistake myself too. But, to say Rhead was Haynes’ man is not true, Bayliss, Doyle (who was marking another), Kelly and Rod were all closer to Rhead than Haynes.

Rod is actually more central than Haynes. Both Haynes and McDonald went to tackle their number 10, who is actually Haynes’ man. Rhead was certainly not Haynes’ man, because who’d be marking their winger, number 10? I’m actually willing to forgive the team for the first goal because it was a fantastic finish, no one is to blame for that.

However, it does mean I’ve incorrectly blamed McDonald for the goal, before I watched I got mixed up between Doyle and McDonald. My mistake, but it still doesn’t change the fact that McDonald got beat twice in the air in a very basic manner.

Attached is the screenshot of the defence before their first.

I'm not wrong. You're ignoring the phases of play prior to the goal and looking at a screenshot which is the result of a chain of subtle errors. Whose man is Haynes when the long ball comes in here? Exactly 10 seconds later Burge is picking the ball out the net.

Everybody is marked up at this point. Haynes to Rhead, McDonald to Green, Grimmer to Palmer, Doyle to Frecklington, Bayliss to his man. Haynes then gets nowhere near the ball and gets rolled by Rhead.
3 seconds later (t-7 seconds on the goal now):

Everybody is still marked up at this point, see red arrows. Haynes to Rhead, McDonald to Green, Grimmer to Palmer, Doyle to Frecklington, Bayliss to his man. Haynes then gets nutmegged and just runs straight after the ball, doubling up on Green. If he stays with Rhead at this point, no goal happens. Shipley then passes his him onto Doyle without looking and he's stuck 1 on 2- a millisecond of hesitation and he loses Frecklington and boom Rhead has a free strike on goal. An unstoppable finish, but not an unstoppable goal. Purely a lack of concentration, discipline and ownership/responsibility from Haynes.

 

[Otis]

I'm not wrong. You're ignoring the phases of play prior to the goal and looking at a screenshot which is the result of a chain of subtle errors. Whose man is Haynes when the long ball comes in here? Exactly 10 seconds later Burge is picking the ball out the net.
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Everybody is marked up at this point. Haynes to Rhead, McDonald to Green, Grimmer to Palmer, Doyle to Frecklington, Bayliss to his man. Haynes then gets nowhere near the ball and gets rolled by Rhead.
3 seconds later (t-7 seconds on the goal now):
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Everybody is still marked up at this point, see red arrows. Haynes to Rhead, McDonald to Green, Grimmer to Palmer, Doyle to Frecklington, Bayliss to his man. Haynes then gets nutmegged and just runs straight after the ball, doubling up on Green. If he stays with Rhead at this point, no goal happens. Shipley then passes his him onto Doyle without looking and he's stuck 1 on 2- a millisecond of hesitation and he loses Frecklington and boom Rhead has a free strike on goal. An unstoppable finish, but not an unstoppable goal. Purely a lack of concentration, discipline and ownership/responsibility from Haynes.

That's clearly Haynes' man there.

 

[Mucca Mad Boys]

I'm not wrong. You're ignoring the phases of play prior to the goal and looking at a screenshot which is the result of a chain of subtle errors. Whose man is Haynes when the long ball comes in here? Exactly 10 seconds later Burge is picking the ball out the net.
View attachment 9507
Everybody is marked up at this point. Haynes to Rhead, McDonald to Green, Grimmer to Palmer, Doyle to Frecklington, Bayliss to his man. Haynes then gets nowhere near the ball and gets rolled by Rhead.
3 seconds later (t-7 seconds on the goal now):
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Everybody is still marked up at this point, see red arrows. Haynes to Rhead, McDonald to Green, Grimmer to Palmer, Doyle to Frecklington, Bayliss to his man. Haynes then gets nutmegged and just runs straight after the ball, doubling up on Green. If he stays with Rhead at this point, no goal happens. Shipley then passes his him onto Doyle without looking and he's stuck 1 on 2- a millisecond of hesitation and he loses Frecklington and boom Rhead has a free strike on goal. An unstoppable finish, but not an unstoppable goal. Purely a lack of concentration, discipline and ownership/responsibility from Haynes.

That's clearly Haynes' man there.

No, it’s not, because in the screenshots shown, Rhead is in Haynes’ ‘zone’, let’s call it that, but Rhead when he scored the the goal was in a central position. The full back in any setup wouldn’t follow a striker that far. Your screenshots, conveniently, miss out Haynes tracking back to help Rod with their number 10 (if you really want, I’ll put the screenshot up but clearly you’ve seen it). In which case, Haynes’ man cannot simultaneously be the winger and striker. Especially when Rhead had drifted to a central position. If you look at the move from start to finish, Rhead starts in Haynes’ ‘jurisdiction’ but very clearly ends up out of it. If you note Lincoln’s general shape, Palmer was on the left, Rhead down the middle and their number 10 on the right. That was pretty consistent in the first half. You’re lacking context too, Haynes was on Rhead to start with because of how deep he was, if McDonald follows him, we lose our shape (which happened anyway). In football, keeping your shape is king, and my critique of Haynes in the screenshots is that he let their number 10 get goal side of him.

No one in particular messed up there, I originally blamed McDonald for missing the header, but it’s clear I got that wrong. Lincoln played some intelligent football here, identifying the miss matches and it was topped off by an unstoppable finish.

 

[TewkesburySkyBlue]

Burge 5
Grimmer 4
Willis 3
McDonald 2
Haynes 3
Doyle 5
Kelly 6
Bayliss 4
McNulty 4
JCH 4
Shipley 4

Sub's
Biamou 4
Ponti 3


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Five for a Burge? Are you his Dad ? If not I’m missing the joke.

 

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People still defending Haynes I see. Well let’s put it to bed for once and for all. We have watched him every week make mistakes for the last 3-4 seasons (when in the team), but as fans we don’t know what we are talking about and wouldn’t know a footballer if it smashed us in the face. Tell me then why most managers who play us, target the left and particularly Haynes as a weakness? But hey-what do we know.

 

[Otis]

No, it’s not, because in the screenshots shown, Rhead is in Haynes’ ‘zone’, let’s call it that, but Rhead when he scored the the goal was in a central position. The full back in any setup wouldn’t follow a striker that far. Your screenshots, conveniently, miss out Haynes tracking back to help Rod with their number 10 (if you really want, I’ll put the screenshot up but clearly you’ve seen it). In which case, Haynes’ man cannot simultaneously be the winger and striker. Especially when Rhead had drifted to a central position. If you look at the move from start to finish, Rhead starts in Haynes’ ‘jurisdiction’ but very clearly ends up out of it. If you note Lincoln’s general shape, Palmer was on the left, Rhead down the middle and their number 10 on the right. That was pretty consistent in the first half. You’re lacking context too, Haynes was on Rhead to start with because of how deep he was, if McDonald follows him, we lose our shape (which happened anyway). In football, keeping your shape is king, and my critique of Haynes in the screenshots is that he let their number 10 get goal side of him.

No one in particular messed up there, I originally blamed McDonald for missing the header, but it’s clear I got that wrong. Lincoln played some intelligent football here, identifying the miss matches and it was topped off by an unstoppable finish.

Are we looking at the same picture?

That is Rhead and Haynes. Clearly his man there.

 

[Esoterica]

No, it’s not, because in the screenshots shown, Rhead is in Haynes’ ‘zone’, let’s call it that, but Rhead when he scored the the goal was in a central position. The full back in any setup wouldn’t follow a striker that far. Your screenshots, conveniently, miss out Haynes tracking back to help Rod with their number 10 (if you really want, I’ll put the screenshot up but clearly you’ve seen it). In which case, Haynes’ man cannot simultaneously be the winger and striker. Especially when Rhead had drifted to a central position. If you look at the move from start to finish, Rhead starts in Haynes’ ‘jurisdiction’ but very clearly ends up out of it. If you note Lincoln’s general shape, Palmer was on the left, Rhead down the middle and their number 10 on the right. That was pretty consistent in the first half. You’re lacking context too, Haynes was on Rhead to start with because of how deep he was, if McDonald follows him, we lose our shape (which happened anyway). In football, keeping your shape is king, and my critique of Haynes in the screenshots is that he let their number 10 get goal side of him.

No one in particular messed up there, I originally blamed McDonald for missing the header, but it’s clear I got that wrong. Lincoln played some intelligent football here, identifying the miss matches and it was topped off by an unstoppable finish.

Genuinely one of the weirdest explanations of how to defend I've ever read. Haynes man was never ever Matt Green in that move, that is the whole point. I haven't 'conveniently' missed out anything, I've stated that's exactly the bit he does wrong - abandons his man in that move, who wanders off unmarked to score, to go and 'help' McDonald who has done a perfectly good job of tracking and holding up Matt Green's run (from dead centre). All this 'zonal/jurisdiction' stuff is rubbish when everyone is marked up at the start of a 10 second attack and still marked up 5 seconds into it. You don't suddenly decide to swap players while an attack is in full flow, you especially don't leave a man you're marking to go free because he's wandering off to a 'zone' that isn't yours on paper. Shape is king but footballers move around during moves and you pick up the man closest to your position and stick with him until that phase of play is over and the shape gets reset again and along with it who is marking who.

 

[covcity4life]

Thank you, we both have differing thoughts on certain aspects on football and what we like to see but as you can see I’m pretty sharp on L2. I watch more lower league football than premier league. Tho what I like to see happen at that level from individuals we’d likely agree on how the game is played.

L2 is a totally different game, a game that Lincoln executed well. How I’d love us to be well drilled and have the same spirit with a man of similar or better abilities than Matt a Rhead up top to aim at.

There desire and willingness to win individual battles was refreshing to see tho at our expense.

As for Burge... well he’s Lee Burge. I didn’t mark him down for it as he’s been like it for all his time here so I wasn’t surprised to see him fail to stop it.

Mcdonald was very disappointing, drawn into chasing Matt Rhead too much. Jordan Willis gave a example of my opinion that take his pace away he’s not bulletproof. Part of a poor back one tho on this occasion.


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I know how to judge too. Mowbray just got promoted pal

 

[steve82]

I know how to judge too. Mowbray just got promoted pal

Showed what we knew he could do if shopping at Sainsbury’s, not the spar reduced basket that we asked him too.

Wasn’t his gig in the end, the light went out. Glad he’s found it again


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[Mucca Mad Boys]

Are we looking at the same picture?

That is Rhead and Haynes. Clearly his man there.

In those carefully selected screenshots, yes, that is the case. However, as we'll later see, the situation changes and Rhead is no longer Haynes' man. He clearly leaves Hayne's 'jurisdiction', the evidence I'm about to provide demonstrates that clearly. He isn't going to follow him 10-15m out of position, anyone who's played to a reasonable standard of any sport would know that. I've just looked at the screenshot I provided it's terrible, you can't make it out, so I'll provide them again:





P.s. props to @Esoterica for his pictures and arrows that he or she does quite often, I was getting ticked off trying to upload these two on there own haha

 

[fernandopartridge]

In those carefully selected screenshots, yes, that is the case. However, as we'll later see, the situation changes and Rhead is no longer Haynes' man. He clearly leaves Hayne's 'jurisdiction', the evidence I'm about to provide demonstrates that clearly. He isn't going to follow him 10-15m out of position, anyone who's played to a reasonable standard of any sport would know that. I've just looked at the screenshot I provided it's terrible, you can't make it out, so I'll provide them again:

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Everybody seems to ignore the fact that Doyle let the midfielder jog by him to knock the ball back. Then again, I think the first goal was just a good well worked goal, no shame to concede it.

 

[Grendel]

In those carefully selected screenshots, yes, that is the case. However, as we'll later see, the situation changes and Rhead is no longer Haynes' man. He clearly leaves Hayne's 'jurisdiction', the evidence I'm about to provide demonstrates that clearly. He isn't going to follow him 10-15m out of position, anyone who's played to a reasonable standard of any sport would know that. I've just looked at the screenshot I provided it's terrible, you can't make it out, so I'll provide them again:

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Oh FFS he’s a fucking liability

Let’s give you an excercise

Why Ryan Haynes is a good left back and here are his best qualities

Off you go

 

[Mucca Mad Boys]

Genuinely one of the weirdest explanations of how to defend I've ever read. Haynes man was never ever Matt Green in that move, that is the whole point. I haven't 'conveniently' missed out anything, I've stated that's exactly the bit he does wrong - abandons his man in that move, who wanders off unmarked to score, to go and 'help' McDonald who has done a perfectly good job of tracking and holding up Matt Green's run (from dead centre). All this 'zonal/jurisdiction' stuff is rubbish when everyone is marked up at the start of a 10 second attack and still marked up 5 seconds into it. You don't suddenly decide to swap players while an attack is in full flow, you especially don't leave a man you're marking to go free because he's wandering off to a 'zone' that isn't yours on paper. Shape is king but footballers move around during moves and you pick up the man closest to your position and stick with him until that phase of play is over and the shape gets reset again and along with it who is marking who.

Refer to my latest comment where I've broke it down. What I've bolded in your quote is the essence of my argument and why Rhead wasn't Haynes' man, there were quite literally, 3-4 player closer to him than Haynes. We could critique all of; Bayliss, Kelly, Doyle, McDonald and Haynes. But, that takes away what was a good goal. Probably the best goal the opposition has scored against us this year. The finish was inch perfect, I dont think many GK would've saved it.

 

[Mucca Mad Boys]

Everybody seems to ignore the fact that Doyle let the midfielder jog by him to knock the ball back. Then again, I think the first goal was just a good well worked goal, no shame to concede it.

Lets blame a player who was 10-15 meters away from where the shot happened.

 

[covcity4life]

Wether its hisnfault or not firn firsr goal haynes is shit

 

[robbiekeane]

Wether its hisnfault or not firn firsr goal haynes is shit

i love you

 

[stevefloyd]

Wether its hisnfault or not firn firsr goal haynes is shit

How do people know who their christmas cards are off?