Westendlad
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Nick. You do an excellent job running this show but your talents are obviously wasted. You really should be City's new manager..........
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Nick
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It's common sense
eastwoodsdustman
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He was an idiot. Just trying to show off. Sadly it’s these clowns who get heard.
Otis
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Does that explain Tiny Blair, David Cameron and Theresa May then?
eastwoodsdustman
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The bloke was no politician, believe me.
Otis
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Sky Blue Harry H
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In League 1, with the players at the manager's disposal, do we really think there are many game changers lurking on the bench (i'm referring to most teams). I also can't imagine managers saying to their players 'let's do this' followed by 'if it doesn't work, try this' as this is likely to undermine the team's belief in the original plan. The manager would then have to deal with e.g. Sterling, Kelly, Doyle, Shipley, JCH playing poorly and be able to alter things from the sidelines during play. Sure, he can substitute a player, but at the same time completely change tactics? We don't have a 6' 5" centre forward to lump it to (and we'd get the hoof comments if it didn't work. Judged on a few people's comments we had a mare of 15minutes after which everything settled down a bit. Too late to turn it around, but we're not a Liverpool or even a Peterborough. Cut out mistakes and we can compete, but let's not rip MR to pieces - it's counterproductive.
letsallsingtogether
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Nick I believe Robins is at the next trust meet the fans night.
Why don't you come along ask some questions?
I'm sure he will answer then honestly and to the best of his ability.
itsabuzzard
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Yes, I know. It's not just the defence that needs work...Itsabuzzard alert, itsabuzzard alert!!!!
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Skyblueweeman
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It’s not as easy as common sense Nick. Otherwise you and me would be managing in the lower leagues as well.
I’m not saying that I know what the answer is but I do chuckle (not necessarily at your posts) when people say the manager should do this or the manager should’ve picked so and so.
MR is significantly more qualified that Gary the shop assistant from Lidl or Geoff the greengrocer from Kenilworth, to make the decisions he has to make.
He won’t (and doesn’t) get them right all of the time. But he’s proved his worth since he’s been here both times with the highest win percentages of any manager and two wins at Wembley one of which has given a large percentage of the fan base their first ever CCFC promotion.
The blokes obviously not clueless.
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skybluegod
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It’s too easy to blame the manager. It’s easy to say ‘why didn’t he tell them not to sit so deep’, he probably did. But when they are in the moment it’s up to the players motmto drop. They have to push up. They have to deal with the mistakes on the pitch
letsallsingtogether
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It like telling a player not to be offside.
They dont do it on purpose just get caught up in the moment.
Most of us that have played sports have done things we shouldn't have just get wrapped up on the game.
skyblueinBaku
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I agree, Otis - but surely MR could have got a message onto the pitch to tell them to stop booting it mindlessly upfield.
ccfcway
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that's common sense
Nick
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Sadly when we go behind in games we (players and manager) look very clueless.
It isn't just this season, it's been a pattern for months.
skybluegod
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Look at the age of the team?
Doyle kelly and brown were the only experienced heads in there.
The rest are relatively inexperienced. They probably need to ‘get more streetwise’ and just learn how to slow things down recompose and not lump it. It’s all good saying he could have given a message... that’s not how psychology works. It’s like telling someone who is sad ‘don’t be sad’ there is more to it than that.
letsallsingtogether
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Same was said about the last 8 managers we have had.
So is it a trait in all managers?
I'm sure other supporters say the same about their managers when they are beaten.
Funny thing is it is mostly in the lower leagues where the squads are not very strong, and when you do change players it is usually like for like.
That is really to be expected as you buy players to play a certain formation/way.
Hobo
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How do you know that? Perhaps it is a failure of the players to carry out the game plan?
Skyblueweeman
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Until he loses the dressing room, he’s earned the right for time and the right to make some errors.
He’s proven that he can get points for our football club, more tan any other in living memory.
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COVKIDSNEVERQUIT
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It happens too often, hoofing the ball ect, it makes you wonder what they do in training all week.
But if you are going to play the long ball game then you need a centre forward who can hold the ball up.
The fact we haven't got a centre forward who can hold the ball up is down to Make Robins.
mark_ccfc
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I don't think this is anything to do with not following training, I think it's when the defence lose confidence and panic. They worry that a short pass out will result in the ball coming straight back at them, so they panic and get the ball as far down the field as possible. Hence the sudden reversion to 'hoofball'
I agree with earlier comments that this could be due to having such a young side I think this is always a difficult one for managers.
GaryMabbuttsLeftKnee
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It’s amusing that Robins is saying he didn’t know why we kept lumping it forward. The hapless idiot behind me kept moaning when we were knocking it around quite nicely and kept referring it to ‘this tippy tappy nonsense’ and his solution to our problems, ‘just kick it up the pitch so we can score’
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Otis
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Now that's what I call a plan.
Grendel
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Nothing to do with lower leagues. Dyche is hanging by a thread at Burnley. Fans were saying “he’s taken us as far has he can” before saturday
Irish Sky Blue
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Hopefully the board at Burnley will ignore them. Burnley obviously have similar fans to those of ours who write on the match day thread, ones with superior football knowledge.
Irish Sky Blue
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Our goal came in the last minute of the first half.It was a free kick given when Chaplin was brought down. That was the final act in a move that went on for thirty or forty passes of slick one touch football. No hoof ball there.
eastwoodsdustman
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Plenty were moaning about it too during the build up.
Pete in Portugal
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Surely the real problem is that, while we can create chances, we can't put them away? Therefore when we go a goal down, it's unlikely we'll win because we rarely score more than one goal per match*. So when Bristol went 3-0 up, the game effectively was over, because the probability that we'd score 3 goals was very low. The chance of us scoring 4 goals was close to zero. Until we improve our chance to scoring ratio, we'll be vulnerable once we go a goal down. Robins tactics are important, but so long as we can't get our shots on target, we'll struggle. I'm confident that Chaplin will get a few goals, but who else is going to score them? It should be JCH, but frankly he doesn't pose much of a threat at the moment.
* 7 goals in 11 matches
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Otis
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Well the obvious answer is Jones, but when will we see him? Still sounds a few weeks off.
Sky_Blue_Dreamer
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I find the notion that 'we're' unique in having fans that are ignorant/clueless and manager that can't change games/ strikers missing chances/ defenders that panic under pressure etc very odd. It's the same for every single team, from Real Madrid to Real Ale FC. Go on any forum and you'd find a group who had no idea of the players, disparaging of the tactics even when they're winning and using the tiniest error or defeat as justification of their beliefs. There will be people who will berate an individual player regardless of what he does.
All managers have their way of playing and are loathe to change it. Arsene Wenger refused to stop trying to walk the ball into the net and when his team were outmuscled/outfought, rather than try and look at stopping it, would complain that teams with inferior players wouldn't try and play his team on his terms. Even Pep has his way of playing and you can't ever see him changing it. He's had the good fortune of managing teams with unbelievable quality and resources, but if he dropped down to a less well equipped club those tactics would be much less effective and is something I'd be fascinated to see him try. Mourinho's star is fading because football has moved on but he's blaming everyone but himself and living off past glories.
I think it's part of the reason why teams tend to have an upturn in results under new managers. Part of it is a bit more effort because they need to impress the new guy, but also because their different take on tactics makes much of the research into them by the opposition meaningless but the opponents are too set in their ways to adjust to the change. I'd say it's just as important to research the manager and his playing philosophy as it is the team itself.
I do think it's amazing that any team at a pro level, training every day, can't instill at least two and probably even three different systems into players in case it confuses them.
All managers have their way of playing and are loathe to change it. Arsene Wenger refused to stop trying to walk the ball into the net and when his team were outmuscled/outfought, rather than try and look at stopping it, would complain that teams with inferior players wouldn't try and play his team on his terms. Even Pep has his way of playing and you can't ever see him changing it. He's had the good fortune of managing teams with unbelievable quality and resources, but if he dropped down to a less well equipped club those tactics would be much less effective and is something I'd be fascinated to see him try. Mourinho's star is fading because football has moved on but he's blaming everyone but himself and living off past glories.
I think it's part of the reason why teams tend to have an upturn in results under new managers. Part of it is a bit more effort because they need to impress the new guy, but also because their different take on tactics makes much of the research into them by the opposition meaningless but the opponents are too set in their ways to adjust to the change. I'd say it's just as important to research the manager and his playing philosophy as it is the team itself.
I do think it's amazing that any team at a pro level, training every day, can't instill at least two and probably even three different systems into players in case it confuses them.
Warwickhunt
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then its upo to the Captain else whats the point if your captain only shouts expletives rather than instructions on how we should be playing. Doyle has got to step up to the mark and drive us futher up field if we start to fall back.
Sky_Blue_Dreamer
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As for answers to our problems I think there are a few things we can try. No guarantee they'd work but mixing things up.
First, switch Thomas to the other wing. He likes playing on his opposite side so he can cut in, but the guy can't score so lets see what he can do going down the outside and crossing. With that you've got to make sure the likes of JCH are in the box to compete with Chaplin sniffing around for the second ball.
Second, push Chaplin up alongside JCH to run onto things rather than have him sitting deeper.
This next one may seem a bit strange, but have a combative midfielder higher up the pitch to hassle the opposition from the knockdown if we're playing more direct. If you need to win that second ball the likes of Bayliss aren't going to be great. Get at them and try and force the error. If we win it and the break isn't on then it can be knocked back to a deeper Bayliss-like player to try and fashion an opening.
And the bugbear of making changes earlier. If Chaplin doesn't look like it's going to be his day try Hiwula or even Baka as an alternative upfront. Often a different striker causes defences problems because they've got settled into the rhythm of the guy that started.
Defensively I don't actually think we're that bad. Yes we're making the odd error and getting punished for it but the likes of Man City and Liverpool have made loads of errors and been lackadaisical but the strength of their forward play means they haven't suffered from it. Cech has had more fuck ups with the ball than either Burge or O'Brien this season and if either of them had done the error Allison made for Liverpool a few weeks back there'd be cries of how they should never wear the shirt again. Man City nearly won the league playing a keeper (Bravo) who looked like he'd never played before in his life - never seen a more error prone keeper or one so incapable of doing basic saves - with an error prone Stones in front of him but it wasn't costing the team because they were scoring more.
If we can get the ball in the net our errors at the back will be less costly and therefore noticeable, plus the defence won't be so jittery because they won't fear a single mistake will cost the match.
First, switch Thomas to the other wing. He likes playing on his opposite side so he can cut in, but the guy can't score so lets see what he can do going down the outside and crossing. With that you've got to make sure the likes of JCH are in the box to compete with Chaplin sniffing around for the second ball.
Second, push Chaplin up alongside JCH to run onto things rather than have him sitting deeper.
This next one may seem a bit strange, but have a combative midfielder higher up the pitch to hassle the opposition from the knockdown if we're playing more direct. If you need to win that second ball the likes of Bayliss aren't going to be great. Get at them and try and force the error. If we win it and the break isn't on then it can be knocked back to a deeper Bayliss-like player to try and fashion an opening.
And the bugbear of making changes earlier. If Chaplin doesn't look like it's going to be his day try Hiwula or even Baka as an alternative upfront. Often a different striker causes defences problems because they've got settled into the rhythm of the guy that started.
Defensively I don't actually think we're that bad. Yes we're making the odd error and getting punished for it but the likes of Man City and Liverpool have made loads of errors and been lackadaisical but the strength of their forward play means they haven't suffered from it. Cech has had more fuck ups with the ball than either Burge or O'Brien this season and if either of them had done the error Allison made for Liverpool a few weeks back there'd be cries of how they should never wear the shirt again. Man City nearly won the league playing a keeper (Bravo) who looked like he'd never played before in his life - never seen a more error prone keeper or one so incapable of doing basic saves - with an error prone Stones in front of him but it wasn't costing the team because they were scoring more.
If we can get the ball in the net our errors at the back will be less costly and therefore noticeable, plus the defence won't be so jittery because they won't fear a single mistake will cost the match.
skybluegod
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No it's not. It's a tram game. There isn't a chance for players to breathe and think in the middle of the match. They as a team need to learn from this. Doyle and the other senior heads can only do so much. This is a young team and they need to learn what to so in these situations.
If we has just slowed the game for 10 mins kept the ball took the wind out of their sails. We would have won imo.