The Guardian Coventry City Face Homeless future after Sisu's litigious aggression (1 Viewer)

[GaryJones]

Crucially, who has the more paying attendees?

Coventry City FC by a couple of thousand I reckon - You can find Wasps tickets pinned up in telephone boxes just about anywhere. :shamefullyembarrased:

 

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[GaryJones]

I thought the article was a good read until I got to this bit - "Wasps have regularly filled the Ricoh and invested the place with an atmosphere of warmth and cheer".
They probably filled it once and half that lot didnt pay!
Warmth and fucking cheer!!!
Who is this guy? - Dickens!!!

 

[lapsed_skyblue]

Sorry, I was reminding you we are winning a game 4-1 which you don't seem bothered by. Another one.

Edit: 4-2 now.

My point is people like you who crawl out of the woodwork every so often when there is a need and then vanish again.

Thanks for acknowledging that there is a need for me!

 

[torchomatic]

Hardly beloved are they? How's that article having a go at anybody apart from climbing up wasps arse?

It's hardly fighting to point out its nothing more than a part of a pr game. Just the same as the trust are.

As always he's busy NOT defending Wasps.

 

[Grendel]

I’m sorry but I fail to see why some are criticising this article.
Let’s compare and contrast the Wasps approach with SISU.
Wasps saw that there was a deal to be done, sat down with the council, agreed a price and honoured their part of the bargain. Yes, their attendances may not be stellar but I suspect that it is overall better than their previous “home”.
SISU have been continually sniping at other parties, pulled out of agreements that other parties thought resolved and suing just about everyone. Their statements about building a new stadium have been vacuous with no evidence that anything has been done apart from an artist’s impression reworked from a different project.
Love or hate them, Wasps objective seems to be to build a business with rugby at its centre.
It seems to me that all SISU are interested in is recouping as much of their money as they can and committing no more in the meantime. If they do manage that they won’t be looking in the rear view mirror at what little they have left behind.
Personally I don’t like rugby or some aspects of Wasps decampment from London.
However, if SISU had taken the same business approach as Wasps we would be cheering them on.

So if sisu moved the club halfway round the country you’d be salivating over their business approach?

Wow

 

[lapsed_skyblue]

So if sisu moved the club halfway round the country you’d be salivating over their business approach?

Wow

Hello.
No I wouldn’t. Just because you understand why such things happen doesn’t mean you agree with it.
If SISU had a decent business ethic from the start and taken the opportunities that were available, Wasps wouldn’t have had the opening that they took: they would still be a London based club looking for a viable site to develop.
The city of Coventry needs a successful football club. It has the population to support, it raises the profile of the city and generates revenue. Football is the only sport that can do this in the UK. I do not believe the the city of Coventry will get this from CCFC while they are owned by SISU.

 

[Grendel]

Hello.
No I wouldn’t. Just because you understand why such things happen doesn’t mean you agree with it.
If SISU had a decent business ethic from the start and taken the opportunities that were available, Wasps wouldn’t have had the opening that they took: they would still be a London based club looking for a viable site to develop.
The city of Coventry needs a successful football club. It has the population to support, it raises the profile of the city and generates revenue. Football is the only sport that can do this in the UK. I do not believe the the city of Coventry will get this from CCFC while they are owned by SISU.

What deal did the council ever offer the club?

 

[David O'Day]

Hello.
No I wouldn’t. Just because you understand why such things happen doesn’t mean you agree with it.
If SISU had a decent business ethic from the start and taken the opportunities that were available, Wasps wouldn’t have had the opening that they took: they would still be a London based club looking for a viable site to develop.
The city of Coventry needs a successful football club. It has the population to support, it raises the profile of the city and generates revenue. Football is the only sport that can do this in the UK. I do not believe the the city of Coventry will get this from CCFC while they are owned by SISU.

So many words yet so little point

 

[lapsed_skyblue]

What deal did the council ever offer the club?

Offer? Do you think that a business should wait to see if they are are offered something? They go out and seek what they want and act in a matter that shows that they know what they want and are prepared to deal for it.

 

[David O'Day]

Hello.
No I wouldn’t. Just because you understand why such things happen doesn’t mean you agree with it.
If SISU had a decent business ethic from the start and taken the opportunities that were available, Wasps wouldn’t have had the opening that they took: they would still be a London based club looking for a viable site to develop.
The city of Coventry needs a successful football club. It has the population to support, it raises the profile of the city and generates revenue. Football is the only sport that can do this in the UK. I do not believe the the city of Coventry will get this from CCFC while they are owned by SISU.

As London Wasps are not in a good way financially how is the wasps business plan "decent"?

 

[Nick]

Hello.
No I wouldn’t. Just because you understand why such things happen doesn’t mean you agree with it.
If SISU had a decent business ethic from the start and taken the opportunities that were available, Wasps wouldn’t have had the opening that they took: they would still be a London based club looking for a viable site to develop.
The city of Coventry needs a successful football club. It has the population to support, it raises the profile of the city and generates revenue. Football is the only sport that can do this in the UK. I do not believe the the city of Coventry will get this from CCFC while they are owned by SISU.

You have posted more in this thread defending wasps than you did about the success we got last year.

Far too blatant to the point it's desperate.

 

[David O'Day]

You have posted more in this thread defending wasps than you did about the success we got last year.

Far too blatant.

lapsed? made up more like

 

[lapsed_skyblue]

As London Wasps are not in a good way financially how is the wasps business plan "decent"?

Compared to SISU's it isn't looking that bad. I don't think that SISU should rely on it failing to the extent that it all comes crashing down.
Again,the talk is about Wasps as if they are the entire reason for CCFC not owning their own ground.

 

[David O'Day]

Compared to SISU's it isn't looking that bad. I don't think that SISU should rely on it failing to the extent that it all comes crashing down.
Again,the talk is about Wasps as if they are the entire reason for CCFC not owning their own ground.

Forgive but city make a profit and wasps are on a financial knife edge

For a pro wasps sock puppet you have't done you homework

 

[Nick]

Compared to SISU's it isn't looking that bad. I don't think that SISU should rely on it failing to the extent that it all comes crashing down.
Again,the talk is about Wasps as if they are the entire reason for CCFC not owning their own ground.

Didn't SISU make a profit and pay the directors a nice chunk each? Did you mean CCFC's?

It's getting a bit embarrassing now with these accounts making comebacks. Fuck off back to the Wasps site if you have no interest in CCFC but plenty in Wasps.

 

[CJ_covblaze]

No surprise the Trust and people like cj constantly drool about him. "One of us" type bullshit, same as supporters direct.

Hi Nick. Hope you’re well.

 

[Esoterica]

I thought that the identity I use would give you a bit of a clue. Born in Coventry, I was a season ticket holder for quite a few years but I stopped live in Coventry in 1979 and I’m not coming back. I rarely comment on football matches, I don’t have the right. Unfortunately, I don’t believe that you can change club allegiances no matter how tenuous your connection might be.

So you don't have the rights to comment on football matches as you presumably don't watch, listen or attend but you have kept bang up to date with every Wasps and SISU business decision over the lapsed years and have finally decided to grace us with that insight. On a night we've just won 4 games in a row for the 4th time in 20+ years. Awesome.
P.S. You guys need to get your basics in order - you've not even bothered to check the match thread at this point in time.

 

[Nick]

Hi Nick. Hope you’re well.

Just talking facts. Glad to see you climbed out of him for a minute

Don't let Henry winter see

 

[CJ_covblaze]

Just talking facts. Glad to see you climbed out of him for a minute

What on earth are you banging on about?

 

[skybluetony176]

What on earth are you banging on about?

Basically there’s an article questioning our owners so predictably Nick feels the need to point a finger in a different direction and sees the trust as an easy target because the people behind it aren’t anonymous like himself. He has his screen and keyboard to protect him.

 

[chiefdave]

Well that is the German model, is that so wrong?

Only if it applies to every club.

Look at Pompey, they were held up as a shining example of fan ownership. Then they realised running at break even, with crowds that dwarf ours, they were struggling to get of a L1 let alone go any higher.

As soon as someone with money showed a bit of interest they sold up, the hope of being able to compete again overruling everything they've been though.

 

[CJ_covblaze]

Basically there’s an article questioning our owners so predictably Nick feels the need to point a finger in a different direction and sees the trust as an easy target because the people behind it aren’t anonymous like himself. He has his screen and keyboard to protect him.

Fwiw I think it’s good article. I don’t agree with everything that’s in it but it gets the point across well about our issues to a national audience. What I don’t get is the “climbing out of him for a minute” comment. I’ve been at the game. It wasn’t cold enough to get that close to anyone else there (which he wasn’t).

 

[chiefdave]

I thought the article was a good read until I got to this bit - "Wasps have regularly filled the Ricoh and invested the place with an atmosphere of warmth and cheer"

Was trying to take the article seriously until I got to that bit. They only filled it when all the Leicester fans turned up and they've not bothered since.

As for warmth and cheer what had the bigger impact on the city. Wasps or our two trips to Wembley? Someone remind me how many people were lining the streets to celebrate Wasps.

 

[David O'Day]

Basically there’s an article questioning our owners so predictably Nick feels the need to point a finger in a different direction and sees the trust as an easy target because the people behind it aren’t anonymous like himself. He has his screen and keyboard to protect him.

wtf fuck are you talking about

 

[David O'Day]

Fwiw I think it’s good article. I don’t agree with everything that’s in it but it gets the point across well about our issues to a national audience. What I don’t get is the “climbing out of him for a minute” comment. I’ve been at the game. It wasn’t cold enough to get that close to anyone else there (which he wasn’t).

article is mostly bollocks

 

[fernandopartridge]

Basically the usual wankers show up on this thread rather than the match one. Get to fuck

 

[CJ_covblaze]

Basically the usual wankers show up on this thread rather than the match one. Get to fuck

Like who? Name and shame.

 

[David O'Day]

basically you wasps wankers it goes like this wasps needs city to play at the ricoh and city need to play at the ricoh so city will play at the ricoh

 

[David O'Day]

Like who? Name and shame.

lapsed for a start mate, he even admits it himself

 

[rondog1973]

A few embellishments and exaggerations but about right in the main.

The proof of the pudding is in Nicks condemnation.

 

[Nick]

Fwiw I think it’s good article. I don’t agree with everything that’s in it but it gets the point across well about our issues to a national audience. What I don’t get is the “climbing out of him for a minute” comment. I’ve been at the game. It wasn’t cold enough to get that close to anyone else there (which he wasn’t).

Sorry, it was a crude bit of sarcasm suggesting that you like him a lot.

It doesn't really get the point of our issues across well, it gets across the whole Wasps are great point at a time when the PR stuff is certainly firing up.

Let's go back to this article.....

Coventry City watch from gloom while Wasps make a buzz at Ricoh Arena

“It was dire, particularly when compared with the Wasps match which really was a fantastic sporting occasion,” said Jan Mokrzycki, of the Coventry City supporters’ Sky Blue Trust.

Who wrote that article? Who gave most of the content?

What part of the "plight" is actually being highlighted and who to?

 

[Nick]

Basically there’s an article questioning our owners so predictably Nick feels the need to point a finger in a different direction and sees the trust as an easy target because the people behind it aren’t anonymous like himself. He has his screen and keyboard to protect him.

It isn't pointing in a different direction is it? How is it questioning anything or challenging anything at all?

It's merely part of a PR game being cranked up, I mentioned the Trust because they are usually around somewhere when he writes things. (See link in previous post for another great example of it where it's the Wasps are great approach being taken). I didn't just bring the Trust into it randomly, them and David Conn seem to go hand in hand.

They get mentioned because like The Jimmy Hill Way and the other moral heros who are strangely silent most of the time. Even more irrelevant now you have the fan's groups setup by Juggy and the one in Bedworth which just shows they are mostly made up of people who want to get worked up and angry and mostly don't give a shit about the football. Whatever did happen to the boycotts and away days only that they were pushing and getting all excited about?

 

[torchomatic]

The city of Coventry needs a successful football club. It has the population to support, it raises the profile of the city and generates revenue. Football is the only sport that can do this in the UK. I do not believe the the city of Coventry will get this from CCFC while they are owned by SISU.

Absolutely, couldn't agree more, which is why the decision taken by the council (won't give them a capital letter) is even more strange. SISU will NOT be here forever, but Wasps will, 250 years at least in theory. They should have thought long term and supported the incumbent football club. When they spited SISU, they spited the fans, the club and the city of Coventry and future generations. Shame on them.

 

[weecohawena]

Absolutely, couldn't agree more, which is why the decision taken by the council (won't give them a capital letter) is even more strange. SISU will NOT be here forever, but Wasps will, 250 years at least in theory. They should have thought long term and supported the incumbent football club. When they spited SISU, they spited the fans, the club and the city of Coventry and future generations. Shame on them.

This exactly.

 

[skybluetony176]

It isn't pointing in a different direction is it? How is it questioning anything or challenging anything at all?

It's merely part of a PR game being cranked up, I mentioned the Trust because they are usually around somewhere when he writes things. (See link in previous post for another great example of it where it's the Wasps are great approach being taken). I didn't just bring the Trust into it randomly, them and David Conn seem to go hand in hand.

They get mentioned because like The Jimmy Hill Way and the other moral heros who are strangely silent most of the time. Even more irrelevant now you have the fan's groups setup by Juggy and the one in Bedworth which just shows they are mostly made up of people who want to get worked up and angry and mostly don't give a shit about the football. Whatever did happen to the boycotts and away days only that they were pushing and getting all excited about?

Wow. That’s a lot of waffle. I’ll try and work through it though and come back on any points that you may have made.

The fact that it isn’t questioning or challenging anything at all just confirms that it’s a point in a different direction. If you had a point you would have a point and a relevance and therefore by definition wouldn’t be pointing in another direction. I mean why bring the trust up in the first place? There’s no relevance to do that. So again by definition it’s exactly pointing in another direction.

PR game being cranked up? Very confused by this statement. All I see is well respected and recognised sports journalists, shock horror, doing his job. If David Conn is part of this PR being ramped up who’s payroll do you think he’s on exactly?

How do the Trust and David Conn go hand in hand exactly? They linked an article in the past and got a solicitors letter from our owners for the trouble? Something you seem to ignore.

And then you just go into a complete waffle about JHW and supporter groups. All of which have nothing to do with the article or the issues addressed in the article so basically more pointing in another direction.