CanadianCCFC
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What sort of coverage is it getting in the UK?
US Midterm Elections (1 Viewer)
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CanadianCCFC
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Haha I get it; the fake news media sucks
lifeskyblue
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Sky news leading with it also. As are most of the broadsheets. Not sure if anything has happened in UK today.
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CovInEssex
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So am I right in thinking nothing will be put through now because the dems will just block it?
WhaleOilBeefHooked
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I like to think of myself as relatively intelligent... But the US election and political system is alien to me.
I think the best way to explain it is that the House of Representatives is similar to the House of Commons in the UK, with the Senate being similar to the House of Lords.
The House of Representatives will propose new laws and the Senate approves it. You'll probably find now that the Dems will block everything and it will never get to Senate.
Happy to be corrected though!
Sky_Blue_Dreamer
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That's always been my take on it as well, with each District being the equivalent of a Constituency.
Although there are aspects of US politics that baffle me (how can an independent Judiciary be nominated by the President? Why can the President veto things done by the Legislative or issue directives so it can be bypassed etc?) but I think we should look to copy the Senate a bit more with HoL reform.
Periodically we have this conversation about proportional representation or similar in parliament, but you can't do that with a constituency based system as inevitably some places will need to have Members forced upon them to make it representative.
So instead, you keep the constituency FPTP method for the Commons but the overall percentage vote of the country in a General Election is used to make up the Lords. Each party can then choose whoever they want to fill the number of seats they win, be it ex-MP's, judges etc. Even donors if they so wished.
Although there are aspects of US politics that baffle me (how can an independent Judiciary be nominated by the President? Why can the President veto things done by the Legislative or issue directives so it can be bypassed etc?) but I think we should look to copy the Senate a bit more with HoL reform.
Periodically we have this conversation about proportional representation or similar in parliament, but you can't do that with a constituency based system as inevitably some places will need to have Members forced upon them to make it representative.
So instead, you keep the constituency FPTP method for the Commons but the overall percentage vote of the country in a General Election is used to make up the Lords. Each party can then choose whoever they want to fill the number of seats they win, be it ex-MP's, judges etc. Even donors if they so wished.
Sky_Blue_Dreamer
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I don't think it was a disaster, as they did win the House so they can now actually try and block stuff.
Certainly not as good as they'd have hoped, but in the Senate most of the seats up for grabs were Dem already and many of the GOP were dyed-Red.
With Trump you can never look more than a day ahead anyway. There's still plenty of time for economic sanctions and trade wars to affect jobs and the economy. But politics over there is so partisan at the moment it will inevitably be that anything bad will be blamed on the other party.
I agree at the moment I think he'd have a good chance of re-election but a smart man wouldn't even go for it. I can see a lot of the swing states hedging their bets next time, and they'll either vote Trump but with Dem's in the senate so he'll be a lame duck and he's unstable enough already not being allowed to do whatever he wants with Rep legislative power, or they'll vote for a Dem president and Rep Senator and he'll lose the election.
Certainly not as good as they'd have hoped, but in the Senate most of the seats up for grabs were Dem already and many of the GOP were dyed-Red.
With Trump you can never look more than a day ahead anyway. There's still plenty of time for economic sanctions and trade wars to affect jobs and the economy. But politics over there is so partisan at the moment it will inevitably be that anything bad will be blamed on the other party.
I agree at the moment I think he'd have a good chance of re-election but a smart man wouldn't even go for it. I can see a lot of the swing states hedging their bets next time, and they'll either vote Trump but with Dem's in the senate so he'll be a lame duck and he's unstable enough already not being allowed to do whatever he wants with Rep legislative power, or they'll vote for a Dem president and Rep Senator and he'll lose the election.
Gazolba
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And if they do, Trump now has someone to conveniently blame for his measures not passing.
We now know there will be no Mexican border wall.
Grendel
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No. Actually unless something dramatic changes Trump is a shoe in next time round
Grendel
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Obama was hardly a lame duck was he?
Sky_Blue_Dreamer
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Yes, he was at a certain point. Rep's (Mitch McConnell I believe) even described him as such when they blocked his Supreme Court nomination. Anything he put through in the last few years he did via executive orders or whatever they've been renamed now because everything put to the House was blocked. Obamacare was done when Dem's had total control, and even that was massively watered down.
Sky Blue Pete
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Trump is insane . The US is in serious trouble
chiefdave
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I'm pretty certain there's an actual mental health condition he hasn't had diagnosed. No 'normal' person acts like him, even when you compare him to some of the craziest Americans.
The US political system is even more of a mess than ours. How can you have a system where Trump can sack Sessions and replace him with someone who his anti-Meuller given that person then has the power to block the investigation in to Trump.
There's similar stories around the US. People involved in the elections being able to change the rules about who could vote in their area.
If this was some third world country or somewhere in the middle east we'd be demanding independent observers go in to ensure the election was legit.
CanadianCCFC
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CanadianCCFC
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Did the fake news media tell you that?
Sky Blue Pete
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And making allegations about something that was on live that are just untrue. Laid hands on the intern!!!!!! Really? Not what I saw. How the hell can the White House just make stuff up?
I’m really scared
I’m really scared
Sky_Blue_Dreamer
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It does seem like the unpredictable behaviour will get ramped up now he doesn't have control of both houses. Firing Sessions seems incredibly suspect, but the reporter thing is crazy - the claim is verifiably untrue.
I think his mental state is largely due to his wealthy upbringing - he's been able to make stuff up since he was a kid and never been questioned for it because everyone around him was staff. But because he's also immensely stupid and thinks it's because he's clever enough to get away with it and now for the first time ever people aren't just accepting his bullshit and he doesn't know what to do.
Basically he's a real life Eric Cartman. Intellect of a 10 year old and emotionally 3 years old. I have heard people say ODD but he's quite clearly a sociopath and has some form of delusional psychosis
I think his mental state is largely due to his wealthy upbringing - he's been able to make stuff up since he was a kid and never been questioned for it because everyone around him was staff. But because he's also immensely stupid and thinks it's because he's clever enough to get away with it and now for the first time ever people aren't just accepting his bullshit and he doesn't know what to do.
Basically he's a real life Eric Cartman. Intellect of a 10 year old and emotionally 3 years old. I have heard people say ODD but he's quite clearly a sociopath and has some form of delusional psychosis
dutchman
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I'm in close personal contact with Democrat campaigners (don't give a shit whether you believe me or not) and they have told me that they blame their ("not total") failure on a lack of turnout by Democrat supporters. That is despite the empirical evidence to the contrary:
The key midterms voter trends: high turnout and youth surge for Democrats
The key midterms voter trends: high turnout and youth surge for Democrats
covcity4life
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you sound like FAKE NEWS
Sky Blue Pete
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And he’s a rude and terrible man
covcity4life
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I'm not a big fan of yours either, to be honest ... You are not the best ... Just sit down, please.
Sky Blue Pete
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Gazolba
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No, he isn't, and the USA is doing better than ever.
Gazolba
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Since about 85% of the media is anti-Trump why would he invite non-impartial reporters to the White House?
That doesn't make him a 'crazy dictator', it just means he is exercising common sense in not rewarding his enemies.
He is making them realize there are consequences for their actions.
skybluetony176
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His enemies? Fucking hell. He doesn’t want them there because he’s a narcissist who thinks he’s above criticism. He sees them as enemies because he’s a narcissist and he sees them criticising him. Don’t indulge the nut job in his narcissistic fantasies for crying out loud.
dutchman
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Sky Blue Pete
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It doesn’t show him assaulting or laying hands on the intern though
chiefdave
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Given the choice between independent experts and a video by Paul Joseph Watson who Wikipedia describes as a alt-right conspiracy theorist I know who I believe.